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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
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1 Jun 2015, 11:03 PM
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A Man City Blogger http://inesteemedkompany.blogspot.co.uk/ @EsteemedKompany has sent me some thoughts on Boyata.
Here you go.
Doesn't sound brilliant but we have had some success in the past at resurrecting the careers of struggling players so hopefully he is another.
I can never decide with Boyata whether he should be great or truly terrible. He's such an indecisive character. There's been the odd occasion where he's looked like Vincent Kompany, yet on others he's been more Jean-Alain Boumsong. There's a common train of thought amongst City fans that we maybe perhaps actually ruined him a little by effectively offering him up as a sacrificial lamb to the slaughter when he was just a kid. He just experienced too much too soon.
Back in the 2010/2011 season we went through a little bit of an injury crisis. We struggled for numbers and he was thrown in at the deep end and he started a few games against lesser opposition. A FC Timişoara here, and a Middlesborough there, and in general he played well. Nervy, but he was tough and solid. He was clearly a unit and natural defender, and it was intriguing. He was after all one of our own - he was a member of our FA Youth Cup winning team in 2008. The fans wanted him to do well, as they do with any youth academy product. He then came up against Chelsea and yet again he shone in the face of potential adversity, more than matching a then peerless Drogba. It was increasingly exciting stuff. It's fair to say we as fans, and Mancini, got a little carried away. Did we have our own potential mini Kompany here? It felt that way.
But it was short-lived, sadly. He started again the following week against Arsenal with more experienced defenders left on the bench and his world turned quickly upside down. A red card five minutes in after being horribly exposed by a dodgy defensive line saw his brief stint in the first team come to an abrupt end. He never really recovered after that. He looked hesitant, tetchy and likely to fall to pieces at any moment. There was the odd decent moment as a sub or as a starter in a cup game, but in general he was relegated to the reserves and the two loan spells at a relegation threatened Bolton and Twente were disappointing overall. I think it's fair to say that if he wasn't homegrown he wouldn't have been offered the new contract that he signed a year ago either - he'd fallen quite far and he was only there to make up the numbers. In hindsight maybe he should have been nurtured a little more, gradually bringing him through. Its such a risky position, centre-back, and a cruel one at the best of times. Never mind for a new kid trying to make his name in such a high-pressured environment.
There was potential there and maybe there still is. He's never really ever had a true run of games. He's older now too at 24, and the few times he's played for City recently he does admittedly looks a little more at ease with life. Those nerves have disappeared to an extent, though he still looks a little rusty. But there's the caveat that he's barely played and the standards at City are high. He's not great on the ball, he's no Denayer, put it that way (but how many are?), but he's certainly not woeful - as you'd expect from anyone who's spent years training in a squad that's built around possession football. He has a decent turn of pace and there's a good size to him, and he's not too bad in the air either. He might just enjoy being a regular and he might just settle into life and mature into a proper tough bastard of a defender. If he gets that meanness to his game, Terry-like, then he could still do very well.
He's never really had a true crack at it. Maybe a move to Celtic, a grand club with a great fanbase and a competitive physical environment, will wake him up and turn him into something approaching a reliable rock. It's possible. Definitely. Stranger things have happened. Or he could just be the nervy dawdling Boyata that we've grown accustomed to. I hope not. I genuinely like him for some reason. Maybe I just have a soft spot for him as he seems a likeable character, or maybe my affections are more built around the old 'supporting the underdog' mentality. Either way, I do hope he succeeds at Celtic as he does deserve it. It is possible.
If not, at least he still has probably the best song in football
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAvChkfpY4A
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1 Jun 2015, 11:10 PM
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A Man City Blogger http://inesteemedkompany.blogspot.co.uk/ has sent me some thoughts on Boyata. Here you go. Doesn't sound brilliant but we have had some success in the past at resurrecting the careers of struggling players so hopefully he is another. I can never decide with Boyata whether he should be great or truly terrible. He's such an indecisive character. There's been the odd occasion where he's looked like Vincent Kompany, yet on others he's been more Jean-Alain Boumsong. There's a common train of thought amongst City fans that we maybe perhaps actually ruined him a little by effectively offering him up as a sacrificial lamb to the slaughter when he was just a kid. He just experienced too much too soon.
Back in the 2010/2011 season we went through a little bit of an injury crisis. We struggled for numbers and he was thrown in at the deep end and he started a few games against lesser opposition. A FC Timişoara here, and a Middlesborough there, and in general he played well. Nervy, but he was tough and solid. He was clearly a unit and natural defender, and it was intriguing. He was after all one of our own - he was a member of our FA Youth Cup winning team in 2008. The fans wanted him to do well, as they do with any youth academy product. He then came up against Chelsea and yet again he shone in the face of potential adversity, more than matching a then peerless Drogba. It was increasingly exciting stuff. It's fair to say we as fans, and Mancini, got a little carried away. Did we have our own potential mini Kompany here? It felt that way.
But it was short-lived, sadly. He started again the following week against Arsenal with more experienced defenders left on the bench and his world turned quickly upside down. A red card five minutes in after being horribly exposed by a dodgy defensive line saw his brief stint in the first team come to an abrupt end. He never really recovered after that. He looked hesitant, tetchy and likely to fall to pieces at any moment. There was the odd decent moment as a sub or as a starter in a cup game, but in general he was relegated to the reserves and the two loan spells at a relegation threatened Bolton and Twente were disappointing overall. I think it's fair to say that if he wasn't homegrown he wouldn't have been offered the new contract that he signed a year ago either - he'd fallen quite far and he was only there to make up the numbers. In hindsight maybe he should have been nurtured a little more, gradually bringing him through. Its such a risky position, centre-back, and a cruel one at the best of times. Never mind for a new kid trying to make his name in such a high-pressured environment.
There was potential there and maybe there still is. He's never really ever had a true run of games. He's older now too at 24, and the few times he's played for City recently he does admittedly looks a little more at ease with life. Those nerves have disappeared to an extent, though he still looks a little rusty. But there's the caveat that he's barely played and the standards at City are high. He's not great on the ball, he's no Denayer, put it that way (but how many are?), but he's certainly not woeful - as you'd expect from anyone who's spent years training in a squad that's built around possession football. He has a decent turn of pace and there's a good size to him, and he's not too bad in the air either. He might just enjoy being a regular and he might just settle into life and mature into a proper tough bastard of a defender. If he gets that meanness to his game, Terry-like, then he could still do very well.
He's never really had a true crack at it. Maybe a move to Celtic, a grand club with a great fanbase and a competitive physical environment, will wake him up and turn him into something approaching a reliable rock. It's possible. Definitely. Stranger things have happened. Or he could just be the nervy dawdling Boyata that we've grown accustomed to. I hope not. I genuinely like him for some reason. Maybe I just have a soft spot for him as he seems a likeable character, or maybe my affections are more built around the old 'supporting the underdog' mentality. Either way, I do hope he succeeds at Celtic as he does deserve it. It is possible.
If not, at least he still has probably the best song in football
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAvChkfpY4A Very balanced and interesting analysis of Boyata, both past and potential
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1 Jun 2015, 11:19 PM
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Sounds like the guy has decent skills. I'm sure Deila could help a player lacking a bit of confidence and with little first team experience. Same he won't have any competitive games under his belt before the qualifiers.
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1 Jun 2015, 11:21 PM
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Sounds like the guy has decent skills. I'm sure Deila could help a player lacking a bit of confidence and with little first team experience. Same he won't have any competitive games under his belt before the qualifiers. The good thing about that is that the first qualifiers we play are basically "competitive" pre-season friendlies anyway.
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1 Jun 2015, 11:48 PM
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Sounds like the guy has decent skills. I'm sure Deila could help a player lacking a bit of confidence and with little first team experience. Same he won't have any competitive games under his belt before the qualifiers.
The good thing about that is that the first qualifiers we play are basically "competitive" pre-season friendlies anyway. Good point.
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DEDRYCK BOYATA will be paraded as Celtic’s first summer signing today.
And as far as Belgium No2 Vital Borkelmans is concerned it won’t be long either before Boyata is back playing for his country.
Borkelmans insists the Hoops have again struck great business with Manchester City.
Last summer it was a full season loan deal for Jason Denayer, and he became PFA Young Player of the Year, as well as being integral to Celtic’s title glory.
Now, it’s Boyata, 24, arriving in a £1.5 million swoop, with the stopper put through a medical at Lennoxtown yesterday, and terms agreed for a contract until 2019.
Former Club Brugge and Belgium star Borkelmans is convinced Boyata will prove the perfect replacement for Denayer.
Borkelmans said: “I’m delighted Dedryck looks set to sign for Celtic. All he needs is to be playing regularly, and he will get that chance in Scotland.
“I recommended him to Celtic several times because I strongly believe in him.
“Dedryck has power and pace, has good height, can defend well and he can also play across the back four. He is only 24 and has so much of his career ahead of him. Celtic were extremely good for Jason Denayer last season, and now I feel they can be the same for Dedryck.
“He has played for Belgium before, and if he performs well for Celtic then I have no doubts he will be involved again.
“Celtic is an excellent club, and I must congratulate the coaches for making Jason the player he is now. It’s been a fantastic season for him on loan.
“I am sure Dedryck will have been influenced by his success. Now he will hope for the same with Celtic.
“Dedryck has suffered some frustration because he has not been playing at Manchester City. But that can happen at big clubs.
“Now he has decided to move for his career, and Celtic is a very good option for him. Once he starts to play every week then people will see the qualities I talk about.
“He is at his strongest on the right side but Dedryck is an adaptable player. He is also very rarely injured.
“I have been to Glasgow a lot to see Jason play and I made it clear Dedryck would be a good signing.
“Dedryck should know that we will come to watch him too. We hope he can perform well.”
Borkelmans believes Celtic’s £1.5m outlay is a bargain.
He added: “That can prove excellent value for Celtic as Dedryck is a young player with great potential.
“I know Celtic have a Champions League qualifier in the middle of July, and he will be ready for that.
“He has the ability to do well in this competition.
“Dedryck is a good boy, an intelligent person. I wish him every success at Celtic.”
Hoops boss Ronny Deila will be delighted to acquire Boyata so soon after the end of his first season.
Deila, No2 John Collins and chief executive Peter Lawwell travelled to Manchester a fortnight ago to open talks with the stopper, who made only 36 appearances in six years at City.
Just days ago they learned from his agent their pitch had been successful.
Yesterday, Boyata checked into a Glasgow hotel and was later joined by his father Bienvenu.
He has had loan spells with Bolton and Twente Enschede, but he desperately needs a prolonged run of games.
Deila sees Boyata as an effective new partner for Virgil van Dijk, although the Dutchman may also leave if a massive bid comes in.
The pursuit of Willem II left-back Mitchell Dijks continues, with Ajax the strongest rivals to Celts for his signature.
It’s believed Dijks is on holiday and Deila remains hopeful of a deal.
But a six-month pursuit of PSV winger Zakaria Bakkali is over.
SunSport revealed the Hoops’ interest back in February, but it’s understood from Dutch sources the highly-rated Bakkali, 18, is heading elsewhere.
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What's the delay? Has this not been done yet? Is there a problem? Has he failed his medical? Typical Celtic dragging their feet. Just pay £3m. It's ridiculous that we've left ourself in this position with just SIX weeks til our first qualifier. Lawwell GTF. Is it too late to get Wilson in as plan B? I am enraged by whatever Kris Commons has to say about this in the papers. Just get him signed.
There. Now, with the exception of a weird "whatever happened to Bobo?" off-topic tangent, a lot of the next few days' posts have been covered by the above. You boys can take the week off.
Maybe the medical didnt go 100% smoothly no need to howl at the moon because the signing might be a day later than planned.
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Never knew that Messi and Puyol were on here Some of the absolute horse manure about a guy that it seems very few have seen actually play is truly worthy of the zombies One minute RD is brilliant - next he's picking out a dud or allowing PL to make signings that he doesn't want Give the lad a break and some time before leaping Cammy Bell like to rash judgement After reading your post I went back a few pages trying to find all this negativity about Boyata that you refer to. I read one post that kind of questioned his pace, but apart from that everyone seems quite happy and optimistic about this signing. So I don't know where you've been reading all this "horse manure".
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A Man City Blogger http://inesteemedkompany.blogspot.co.uk/ has sent me some thoughts on Boyata. Here you go. Doesn't sound brilliant but we have had some success in the past at resurrecting the careers of struggling players so hopefully he is another. I can never decide with Boyata whether he should be great or truly terrible. He's such an indecisive character. There's been the odd occasion where he's looked like Vincent Kompany, yet on others he's been more Jean-Alain Boumsong. There's a common train of thought amongst City fans that we maybe perhaps actually ruined him a little by effectively offering him up as a sacrificial lamb to the slaughter when he was just a kid. He just experienced too much too soon.
Back in the 2010/2011 season we went through a little bit of an injury crisis. We struggled for numbers and he was thrown in at the deep end and he started a few games against lesser opposition. A FC Timişoara here, and a Middlesborough there, and in general he played well. Nervy, but he was tough and solid. He was clearly a unit and natural defender, and it was intriguing. He was after all one of our own - he was a member of our FA Youth Cup winning team in 2008. The fans wanted him to do well, as they do with any youth academy product. He then came up against Chelsea and yet again he shone in the face of potential adversity, more than matching a then peerless Drogba. It was increasingly exciting stuff. It's fair to say we as fans, and Mancini, got a little carried away. Did we have our own potential mini Kompany here? It felt that way.
But it was short-lived, sadly. He started again the following week against Arsenal with more experienced defenders left on the bench and his world turned quickly upside down. A red card five minutes in after being horribly exposed by a dodgy defensive line saw his brief stint in the first team come to an abrupt end. He never really recovered after that. He looked hesitant, tetchy and likely to fall to pieces at any moment. There was the odd decent moment as a sub or as a starter in a cup game, but in general he was relegated to the reserves and the two loan spells at a relegation threatened Bolton and Twente were disappointing overall. I think it's fair to say that if he wasn't homegrown he wouldn't have been offered the new contract that he signed a year ago either - he'd fallen quite far and he was only there to make up the numbers. In hindsight maybe he should have been nurtured a little more, gradually bringing him through. Its such a risky position, centre-back, and a cruel one at the best of times. Never mind for a new kid trying to make his name in such a high-pressured environment.
There was potential there and maybe there still is. He's never really ever had a true run of games. He's older now too at 24, and the few times he's played for City recently he does admittedly looks a little more at ease with life. Those nerves have disappeared to an extent, though he still looks a little rusty. But there's the caveat that he's barely played and the standards at City are high. He's not great on the ball, he's no Denayer, put it that way (but how many are?), but he's certainly not woeful - as you'd expect from anyone who's spent years training in a squad that's built around possession football. He has a decent turn of pace and there's a good size to him, and he's not too bad in the air either. He might just enjoy being a regular and he might just settle into life and mature into a proper tough bastard of a defender. If he gets that meanness to his game, Terry-like, then he could still do very well.
He's never really had a true crack at it. Maybe a move to Celtic, a grand club with a great fanbase and a competitive physical environment, will wake him up and turn him into something approaching a reliable rock. It's possible. Definitely. Stranger things have happened. Or he could just be the nervy dawdling Boyata that we've grown accustomed to. I hope not. I genuinely like him for some reason. Maybe I just have a soft spot for him as he seems a likeable character, or maybe my affections are more built around the old 'supporting the underdog' mentality. Either way, I do hope he succeeds at Celtic as he does deserve it. It is possible.
If not, at least he still has probably the best song in football
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAvChkfpY4A
Very balanced and interesting analysis of Boyata, both past and potential The encouraging part of that analysis is the fact that recent games have shown him to be a more relaxed, less nervy player. That song though. I wonder who sat up all night coming up with the lyrics.
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- 31 May 2015, 11:04 PM
He has a reputation for being an absolute donkey. Hopefully he isn't.
city fans all seem universal in thinking he is awful. hopefully they are wrong  M.City's version of the kds brains trust?
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Never knew that Messi and Puyol were on here Some of the absolute horse manure about a guy that it seems very few have seen actually play is truly worthy of the zombies One minute RD is brilliant - next he's picking out a dud or allowing PL to make signings that he doesn't want Give the lad a break and some time before leaping Cammy Bell like to rash judgement
After reading your post I went back a few pages trying to find all this negativity about Boyata that you refer to. I read one post that kind of questioned his pace, but apart from that everyone seems quite happy and optimistic about this signing. So I don't know where you've been reading all this "horse manure". It was me that was asking about his pace, and because a big lad needs fewer steps to cover the ground at a rate, I was trying to reconcile that with questions about size, height etc. I also liked the way he stayed on his feet without diving in, picked his pass and made it early and positive, so their was no implied negativity meant from me. I don't deconstruct tactics or formations the way many do - I just enjoy the football. At least I admit I know feck all.
So yeah, jbj712's post is the source of all the piffle.
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Interesting read BP. Whilst undoubtably his career has stuttered, if Man City thought Boyata had progressed as far as he could they wouldn't have inserted a buy back clause in his contract. Encouraging.
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Paid for someone in June. Holy momma.
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He has a reputation for being an absolute donkey. Hopefully he isn't.
city fans all seem universal in thinking he is awful. hopefully they are wrong 
M.City's version of the kds brains trust? I'd put more faith in the "review" Booby Peru has posted.
I think Boyata can be a great pick up and I have every faith in Ronny and John Collins bringing him on.
And I still don't think Denayer will make it at Man City because he'll never be given the time.
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Footballing ability should only ever be judged by how good his fan chant/song will be. It's the defining benchmark by which all players should be marked.
Funny song : Great player. Turgid p*sh : Duffer.
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Footballing ability should only ever be judged by how good his fan chant/song will be. It's the defining benchmark by which all players should be marked.
Funny song : Great player. Turgid p*sh : Duffer.
Can someone check on Charlie Mulgrew please.
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The boy obviously has potential/talent but has maybe gone wayward. This is the type of signing Ronny can make work. Won't be paying too much attention to what the City fans are saying.
Welcome aboard Dedryk.
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Sounds like the guy has decent skills. I'm sure Deila could help a player lacking a bit of confidence and with little first team experience. Same he won't have any competitive games under his belt before the qualifiers.
The good thing about that is that the first qualifiers we play are basically "competitive" pre-season friendlies anyway. I hope you're right.
Welcome on board anyway Dedryk.
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So, how would the buy back clause work?
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