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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
Topic Started: 15 May 2015, 04:15 PM (461,605 Views)
stevie21
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30 Aug 2017, 05:24 PM

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To me, Jozo's a noticeably better defender who isn't prone to the howlers that Boyata is. Jozo isn't as good as van Dijk who we also managed to sign. While I don't expect us to sign a Jozo & VVD every time we buy a defender, there's better out there than Boyata that are within our reach.
For example.....?
Jerry St. Juste, Benjamin Pavard, Malang Sarr, Mouctar Diakhaby, Stefano Denswil, Filip Benkovic :thumbsup:

Plus literally dozens of folk that our scouts - you know, the guys who do this for a living - will know of that you and I don't.
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Boyata has been absolutely excellent since breaking into Rodgers starting eleven. Once he's fit, I have no doubt he will continue to be excellent.

Perfectly happy with him and Jozo as our first choice at the back regardless of whether or not we bring someone else in.
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31 Aug 2017, 09:39 AM
Boyata has been absolutely excellent since breaking into Rodgers starting eleven. Once he's fit, I have no doubt he will continue to be excellent.

Perfectly happy with him and Jozo as our first choice at the back regardless of whether or not we bring someone else in.
I think they are both similar. I would prefer someone more comfortable in possession next to them to help us build from the back.
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tinytim81
31 Aug 2017, 09:39 AM
Boyata has been absolutely excellent since breaking into Rodgers starting eleven. Once he's fit, I have no doubt he will continue to be excellent.

Perfectly happy with him and Jozo as our first choice at the back regardless of whether or not we bring someone else in.
I think they are both similar. I would prefer someone more comfortable in possession next to them to help us build from the back.
Both players are very comfortable with the ball. There's always the potential to get someone even better of course but as things stand we have a strong back line when you add Lustig, Tierney and Gordon.

Injury is the obvious concern as our two stand in players (Erik and Ajer) are solid enough but the former isn't as technically gifted as either Jozo or Boyata and the latter is still very raw.

With the South African deal collapsing I don't think we'll get anyone else in before the deadline but if fit, Boyata and Jozo are more than enough for me. I think they're both great and play really well together.
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People asking for specific player names when you state that there are better options :doh: :doh:
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macfleeto
31 Aug 2017, 11:18 AM
People asking for specific player names when you state that there are better options :doh: :doh:
I know, I thought I'd humour the dude though :lol:

I don't even think that anyone on earth genuinely would argue that with our budget and scouting network that we are incapable of finding a better defender that Boyata. It's just one of those daft internet arguments
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31 Aug 2017, 09:32 AM
Quemelachupen
30 Aug 2017, 06:50 PM
stevie21
30 Aug 2017, 06:47 PM

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For example.....?
Jerry St. Juste, Benjamin Pavard, Malang Sarr, Mouctar Diakhaby, Stefano Denswil, Filip Benkovic :thumbsup:

Plus literally dozens of folk that our scouts - you know, the guys who do this for a living - will know of that you and I don't.
And they are better than Boyata?
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31 Aug 2017, 11:18 AM
People asking for specific player names when you state that there are better options :doh: :doh:
I've yet to see a better option mentioned than Boyata......

What would these guys cost?

Who are you to say they are better than Boyata?

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stevie21
30 Aug 2017, 06:47 PM
Jinkyfan67
30 Aug 2017, 05:24 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
To me, Jozo's a noticeably better defender who isn't prone to the howlers that Boyata is. Jozo isn't as good as van Dijk who we also managed to sign. While I don't expect us to sign a Jozo & VVD every time we buy a defender, there's better out there than Boyata that are within our reach.
For example.....?
:comp: :comp: :comp:
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macfleeto
31 Aug 2017, 11:18 AM
People asking for specific player names when you state that there are better options :doh: :doh:
I've yet to see a better option mentioned than Boyata......

What would these guys cost?

Who are you to say they are better than Boyata?

:thumbsup:
So you're saying that there is no better defender than Boyata in the world available on our budget?

Ok.
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stevie21
30 Aug 2017, 06:47 PM

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For example.....?
:comp: :comp: :comp:
Used to hear the same thing when talking about Deila. Then anyone you said was immediatly shot down as totally out of our reach.

Wonder how that went :)
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31 Aug 2017, 12:19 PM
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31 Aug 2017, 11:27 AM
macfleeto
31 Aug 2017, 11:18 AM
People asking for specific player names when you state that there are better options :doh: :doh:
I've yet to see a better option mentioned than Boyata......

What would these guys cost?

Who are you to say they are better than Boyata?

:thumbsup:
So you're saying that there is no better defender than Boyata in the world available on our budget?

Ok.
Does BR want them though? The way he speaks about Boyata doesn't suggest he wants to replace him at all.
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31 Aug 2017, 12:19 PM
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31 Aug 2017, 11:27 AM
macfleeto
31 Aug 2017, 11:18 AM
People asking for specific player names when you state that there are better options :doh: :doh:
I've yet to see a better option mentioned than Boyata......

What would these guys cost?

Who are you to say they are better than Boyata?

:thumbsup:
So you're saying that there is no better defender than Boyata in the world available on our budget?

Ok.
No...what I said was how much would these guys cost and who are you to say they are better than Boyata.

Obviously there are better central defenders than Boyata in the world.

But how often have we struck it lucky with a Van Dijk......or even a Paul Elliot?

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Quemelachupen
31 Aug 2017, 01:21 PM
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31 Aug 2017, 12:19 PM
Quemelachupen
31 Aug 2017, 11:27 AM

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So you're saying that there is no better defender than Boyata in the world available on our budget?

Ok.
No...what I said was how much would these guys cost and who are you to say they are better than Boyata.

Obviously there are better central defenders than Boyata in the world.

But how often have we struck it lucky with a Van Dijk......or even a Paul Elliot?

Who is that in your photo?
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tinytim81
31 Aug 2017, 10:52 AM
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31 Aug 2017, 10:12 AM
tinytim81
31 Aug 2017, 09:39 AM
Boyata has been absolutely excellent since breaking into Rodgers starting eleven. Once he's fit, I have no doubt he will continue to be excellent.

Perfectly happy with him and Jozo as our first choice at the back regardless of whether or not we bring someone else in.
I think they are both similar. I would prefer someone more comfortable in possession next to them to help us build from the back.
Both players are very comfortable with the ball. There's always the potential to get someone even better of course but as things stand we have a strong back line when you add Lustig, Tierney and Gordon.

Injury is the obvious concern as our two stand in players (Erik and Ajer) are solid enough but the former isn't as technically gifted as either Jozo or Boyata and the latter is still very raw.

With the South African deal collapsing I don't think we'll get anyone else in before the deadline but if fit, Boyata and Jozo are more than enough for me. I think they're both great and play really well together.
Boyata was chronic under previous regime along with a few others not playing to potential. I used to shudder when he played for us.

To be fair he has worked hard it seems and the gaffer has installed the magic word in him. Confidence.

Looked solid anytime I’ve seen him under BR. He seems to now not know he a ball playing CH (he is definetly not that) and simply do the basics. So far so good so credit to him.

Saying that Erik’s time is limited it seems at CP so we need a CH this window IMO. Someone that will start in the first 11.
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31 Aug 2017, 01:23 PM
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31 Aug 2017, 01:21 PM
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31 Aug 2017, 12:19 PM

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No...what I said was how much would these guys cost and who are you to say they are better than Boyata.

Obviously there are better central defenders than Boyata in the world.

But how often have we struck it lucky with a Van Dijk......or even a Paul Elliot?

Who is that in your photo?
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31 Aug 2017, 01:21 PM
No...what I said was how much would these guys cost and who are you to say they are better than Boyata.

Obviously there are better central defenders than Boyata in the world.

But how often have we struck it lucky with a Van Dijk......or even a Paul Elliot?

I didn't say anyone was better than Boyata.

What I said was that people who come out with a 'name names' argument for stating that there are better options are using the most idiotic argument possible.

Of course there are better options than anyone we have, that's what scouts are for.
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31 Aug 2017, 02:01 PM
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31 Aug 2017, 01:21 PM
No...what I said was how much would these guys cost and who are you to say they are better than Boyata.

Obviously there are better central defenders than Boyata in the world.

But how often have we struck it lucky with a Van Dijk......or even a Paul Elliot?

I didn't say anyone was better than Boyata.

What I said was that people who come out with a 'name names' argument for stating that there are better options are using the most idiotic argument possible.

Of course there are better options than anyone we have, that's what scouts are for.
So, it's idiotic to ask for names?

Idiotic and stating the obvious is saying that there are better players than Boyata in the world.

However, who are they? How much would they cost? Who are you to say they are better?

I think are fair questions.

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Buzzing to see him back. It's amazing, if memory serves I'm sure we had a friendly with Barcelona in July last year and I groaned at the thought of him playing... If I have the game right anyway.

Can't wait for him back. A real decent threat for set pieces too.

edit: nope, talking pish he didn't even play that game. Must have been one around then apologies
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macfleeto
31 Aug 2017, 11:18 AM
People asking for specific player names when you state that there are better options :doh: :doh:
So is it trite to say that there are always better, affordable, and available players than the ones we have who are willing to sign for us and that the club are aware of them, and just don't bother?

If so, would it not be our model to sell every player and buy their superior replacement in every single transfer window and just win everything all the time?

Or is it just Boyata, who has now become the main weak link in our team and whose position can be (but nevertheless isn't being) taken by a VVD clone plucked from a dearth of hitherto unknown defenders contained in a password protected excel spreadsheet which can only be accessed by KDS members who communicate primarily via emojis?
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