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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
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One day folk will realise quite how good a defender he is.
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One day folk will realise quite how good a defender he is.
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One day folk will realise quite how good a defender he is.
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I've got to be honest, Boyata gives me the fear. The thought of him going up against Bayern and PSG terrifies me.

Yes, I'll admit he did form a decent enough partnership with big Jozo, but let's not forget that this was domestically, a whole different stratosphere of opponents compared to what we're about to face in this Group Stage. It's a pity we couldn't see how he would have handled Rosenborg or Astana which would have been decent enough tests to see how he would cope. Instead we're most likely gonna see him straight into the deep end against PSG and it's a big worry for me, but I suppose the new lad Rivaldo would be a huge gamble too considering he hasn't even had a training session with us yet.

It's just the Boyata we seen in Europe against sides like Malmo, Molde and Ajax was scary (tbh even in quite a lot of games domestically too he's been scary). His positioning, his reading of the game, his awareness, his reaction time and of course his biggest flaw his passing was nowhere near where it should be at that level. People may say ahh but that was under a poor manager and playing in a poor team, maybe so, but Jozo, Denayer etc played under those same circumstances and looked nowhere near as big a bomb scare as what Boyata was showing. I just don't think his passing will ever be fixed properly and he's giving Tom Boyd a run for his money for most own goals in a Celtic shirt. In fact just before he picked up his latest injury in pre season he was at it again, gifting possession against Rapid Vienna carelessly putting their player through 1v1 with Gordon before being brought down and winning a penalty which they converted. Then in the next game against Slavia Prague it was his own clumsiness on the ball which led to his injury, he was trying to play football when it's the last thing he should be doing going by his very limited ability on it.

What I will say about Boyata that he does have going for him is his heading, he is by far our best player at the club with his head, both in defending and attacking crosses whether it be clearing the ball from danger or chipping in with goals. But for me his poorness on the ball outweighs his best attribute and makes him too much of a risk to be playing, especially in the CL. Just imagine him playing a slack pass to someone like Cavani or Lewandowski putting them in on goal, it's hard enough against these sort of World Class players without gifting them goals.

It's clear Jozo will play when fit, so excluding Boyata that leaves Erik (who has fallen way out of favour under Brendan and looks like he may be off, he's also looked quite shaky anytime he's played since January), Ajer (still young and raw who will only play in an emergency), Bitton (again will only play at CB in an emergency) and then the new bhoy when he arrives Rivaldo which the PSG game will probably come too soon for him. There is a very, very slim chance imo that he will come in and impress Brendan so much that he'll play alongside Jozo against PSG so can't see it happening for Rivaldo at this early stage. To be completely honest, I'd go as far as saying that I'd rather see us go with a back three against PSG (Lustig/Jozo/Terney) just to keep Boyata out of it, I'd feel far better if we went with that alternative instead.

So all in all for me I feel Brendan is taking a massive, massive risk and will probably regret it in going with Boyata for the CL and I will most certainly be watching the game through my fingers if he plays whenever he is on the ball as I am always in constant fear of that next calamity from him around the corner.
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I've got to be honest, Boyata gives me the fear. The thought of him going up against Bayern and PSG terrifies me.

Yes, I'll admit he did form a decent enough partnership with big Jozo, but let's not forget that this was domestically, a whole different stratosphere of opponents compared to what we're about to face in this Group Stage. It's a pity we couldn't see how he would have handled Rosenborg or Astana which would have been decent enough tests to see how he would cope. Instead we're most likely gonna see him straight into the deep end against PSG and it's a big worry for me, but I suppose the new lad Rivaldo would be a huge gamble too considering he hasn't even had a training session with us yet.

It's just the Boyata we seen in Europe against sides like Malmo, Molde and Ajax was scary (tbh even in quite a lot of games domestically too he's been scary). His positioning, his reading of the game, his awareness, his reaction time and of course his biggest flaw his passing was nowhere near where it should be at that level. People may say ahh but that was under a poor manager and playing in a poor team, maybe so, but Jozo, Denayer etc played under those same circumstances and looked nowhere near as big a bomb scare as what Boyata was showing. I just don't think his passing will ever be fixed properly and he's giving Tom Boyd a run for his money for most own goals in a Celtic shirt. In fact just before he picked up his latest injury in pre season he was at it again, gifting possession against Rapid Vienna carelessly putting their player through 1v1 with Gordon before being brought down and winning a penalty which they converted. Then in the next game against Slavia Prague it was his own clumsiness on the ball which led to his injury, he was trying to play football when it's the last thing he should be doing going by his very limited ability on it.

What I will say about Boyata that he does have going for him is his heading, he is by far our best player at the club with his head, both in defending and attacking crosses whether it be clearing the ball from danger or chipping in with goals. But for me his poorness on the ball outweighs his best attribute and makes him too much of a risk to be playing, especially in the CL. Just imagine him playing a slack pass to someone like Cavani or Lewandowski putting them in on goal, it's hard enough against these sort of World Class players without gifting them goals.

It's clear Jozo will play when fit, so excluding Boyata that leaves Erik (who has fallen way out of favour under Brendan and looks like he may be off, he's also looked quite shaky anytime he's played since January), Ajer (still young and raw who will only play in an emergency), Bitton (again will only play at CB in an emergency) and then the new bhoy when he arrives Rivaldo which the PSG game will probably come too soon for him. There is a very, very slim chance imo that he will come in and impress Brendan so much that he'll play alongside Jozo against PSG so can't see it happening for Rivaldo at this early stage. To be completely honest, I'd go as far as saying that I'd rather see us go with a back three against PSG (Lustig/Jozo/Terney) just to keep Boyata out of it, I'd feel far better if we went with that alternative instead.

So all in all for me I feel Brendan is taking a massive, massive risk and will probably regret it in going with Boyata for the CL and I will most certainly be watching the game through my fingers if he plays whenever he is on the ball as I am always in constant fear of that next calamity from him around the corner.
Agreed.

Boyata had 5 very good months after 18 months of utter shampoo.

If we don't sign a quality centre back in the next 5 days, hopefully the risk that Dedryck's at the required standard for Champions League football pays off.
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25 Aug 2017, 11:54 PM
I've got to be honest, Boyata gives me the fear. The thought of him going up against Bayern and PSG terrifies me.

Yes, I'll admit he did form a decent enough partnership with big Jozo, but let's not forget that this was domestically, a whole different stratosphere of opponents compared to what we're about to face in this Group Stage. It's a pity we couldn't see how he would have handled Rosenborg or Astana which would have been decent enough tests to see how he would cope. Instead we're most likely gonna see him straight into the deep end against PSG and it's a big worry for me, but I suppose the new lad Rivaldo would be a huge gamble too considering he hasn't even had a training session with us yet.

It's just the Boyata we seen in Europe against sides like Malmo, Molde and Ajax was scary (tbh even in quite a lot of games domestically too he's been scary). His positioning, his reading of the game, his awareness, his reaction time and of course his biggest flaw his passing was nowhere near where it should be at that level. People may say ahh but that was under a poor manager and playing in a poor team, maybe so, but Jozo, Denayer etc played under those same circumstances and looked nowhere near as big a bomb scare as what Boyata was showing. I just don't think his passing will ever be fixed properly and he's giving Tom Boyd a run for his money for most own goals in a Celtic shirt. In fact just before he picked up his latest injury in pre season he was at it again, gifting possession against Rapid Vienna carelessly putting their player through 1v1 with Gordon before being brought down and winning a penalty which they converted. Then in the next game against Slavia Prague it was his own clumsiness on the ball which led to his injury, he was trying to play football when it's the last thing he should be doing going by his very limited ability on it.

What I will say about Boyata that he does have going for him is his heading, he is by far our best player at the club with his head, both in defending and attacking crosses whether it be clearing the ball from danger or chipping in with goals. But for me his poorness on the ball outweighs his best attribute and makes him too much of a risk to be playing, especially in the CL. Just imagine him playing a slack pass to someone like Cavani or Lewandowski putting them in on goal, it's hard enough against these sort of World Class players without gifting them goals.

It's clear Jozo will play when fit, so excluding Boyata that leaves Erik (who has fallen way out of favour under Brendan and looks like he may be off, he's also looked quite shaky anytime he's played since January), Ajer (still young and raw who will only play in an emergency), Bitton (again will only play at CB in an emergency) and then the new bhoy when he arrives Rivaldo which the PSG game will probably come too soon for him. There is a very, very slim chance imo that he will come in and impress Brendan so much that he'll play alongside Jozo against PSG so can't see it happening for Rivaldo at this early stage. To be completely honest, I'd go as far as saying that I'd rather see us go with a back three against PSG (Lustig/Jozo/Terney) just to keep Boyata out of it, I'd feel far better if we went with that alternative instead.

So all in all for me I feel Brendan is taking a massive, massive risk and will probably regret it in going with Boyata for the CL and I will most certainly be watching the game through my fingers if he plays whenever he is on the ball as I am always in constant fear of that next calamity from him around the corner.
Agreed.

Boyata had 5 very good months after 18 months of utter shampoo.

If we don't sign a quality centre back in the next 5 days, hopefully the risk that Dedryck's at the required standard for Champions League football pays off.
The only hope is this new lad Rivaldo hits the ground running as he'll be more match fit than Boyata, it's obviously a massive ask though considering he'll probably only be able to play in our game against Hamilton away before it (and Jozo most likely won't partner him due to the plastic pitch). So we could be looking at Jozo and Rivaldo playing their first game together as a partnership against PSG which is pretty daunting but who knows he could thrive. Big risk though of course.

Brendan did say he could come into the side and play straight away yesterday which gives me some hope of a Jozo and Rivaldo partnership because as I said Boyata just doesn't do it for me.
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25 Aug 2017, 11:54 PM
I've got to be honest, Boyata gives me the fear. The thought of him going up against Bayern and PSG terrifies me.

Yes, I'll admit he did form a decent enough partnership with big Jozo, but let's not forget that this was domestically, a whole different stratosphere of opponents compared to what we're about to face in this Group Stage. It's a pity we couldn't see how he would have handled Rosenborg or Astana which would have been decent enough tests to see how he would cope. Instead we're most likely gonna see him straight into the deep end against PSG and it's a big worry for me, but I suppose the new lad Rivaldo would be a huge gamble too considering he hasn't even had a training session with us yet.

It's just the Boyata we seen in Europe against sides like Malmo, Molde and Ajax was scary (tbh even in quite a lot of games domestically too he's been scary). His positioning, his reading of the game, his awareness, his reaction time and of course his biggest flaw his passing was nowhere near where it should be at that level. People may say ahh but that was under a poor manager and playing in a poor team, maybe so, but Jozo, Denayer etc played under those same circumstances and looked nowhere near as big a bomb scare as what Boyata was showing. I just don't think his passing will ever be fixed properly and he's giving Tom Boyd a run for his money for most own goals in a Celtic shirt. In fact just before he picked up his latest injury in pre season he was at it again, gifting possession against Rapid Vienna carelessly putting their player through 1v1 with Gordon before being brought down and winning a penalty which they converted. Then in the next game against Slavia Prague it was his own clumsiness on the ball which led to his injury, he was trying to play football when it's the last thing he should be doing going by his very limited ability on it.

What I will say about Boyata that he does have going for him is his heading, he is by far our best player at the club with his head, both in defending and attacking crosses whether it be clearing the ball from danger or chipping in with goals. But for me his poorness on the ball outweighs his best attribute and makes him too much of a risk to be playing, especially in the CL. Just imagine him playing a slack pass to someone like Cavani or Lewandowski putting them in on goal, it's hard enough against these sort of World Class players without gifting them goals.

It's clear Jozo will play when fit, so excluding Boyata that leaves Erik (who has fallen way out of favour under Brendan and looks like he may be off, he's also looked quite shaky anytime he's played since January), Ajer (still young and raw who will only play in an emergency), Bitton (again will only play at CB in an emergency) and then the new bhoy when he arrives Rivaldo which the PSG game will probably come too soon for him. There is a very, very slim chance imo that he will come in and impress Brendan so much that he'll play alongside Jozo against PSG so can't see it happening for Rivaldo at this early stage. To be completely honest, I'd go as far as saying that I'd rather see us go with a back three against PSG (Lustig/Jozo/Terney) just to keep Boyata out of it, I'd feel far better if we went with that alternative instead.

So all in all for me I feel Brendan is taking a massive, massive risk and will probably regret it in going with Boyata for the CL and I will most certainly be watching the game through my fingers if he plays whenever he is on the ball as I am always in constant fear of that next calamity from him around the corner.
Agreed.

Boyata had 5 very good months after 18 months of utter shampoo.

If we don't sign a quality centre back in the next 5 days, hopefully the risk that Dedryck's at the required standard for Champions League football pays off.
It wasn't really 18 months of shampoo.

Not saying he was fantastic but he did have good games in that period.

I like him. I think he has been superb under Brendan and the fact of the matter is our manager rates Boyata as our number one center half.
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BR says Boyata is our number 1 CB. Boyata will be key in our team
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25 Aug 2017, 11:54 PM
I've got to be honest, Boyata gives me the fear. The thought of him going up against Bayern and PSG terrifies me.

Yes, I'll admit he did form a decent enough partnership with big Jozo, but let's not forget that this was domestically, a whole different stratosphere of opponents compared to what we're about to face in this Group Stage. It's a pity we couldn't see how he would have handled Rosenborg or Astana which would have been decent enough tests to see how he would cope. Instead we're most likely gonna see him straight into the deep end against PSG and it's a big worry for me, but I suppose the new lad Rivaldo would be a huge gamble too considering he hasn't even had a training session with us yet.

It's just the Boyata we seen in Europe against sides like Malmo, Molde and Ajax was scary (tbh even in quite a lot of games domestically too he's been scary). His positioning, his reading of the game, his awareness, his reaction time and of course his biggest flaw his passing was nowhere near where it should be at that level. People may say ahh but that was under a poor manager and playing in a poor team, maybe so, but Jozo, Denayer etc played under those same circumstances and looked nowhere near as big a bomb scare as what Boyata was showing. I just don't think his passing will ever be fixed properly and he's giving Tom Boyd a run for his money for most own goals in a Celtic shirt. In fact just before he picked up his latest injury in pre season he was at it again, gifting possession against Rapid Vienna carelessly putting their player through 1v1 with Gordon before being brought down and winning a penalty which they converted. Then in the next game against Slavia Prague it was his own clumsiness on the ball which led to his injury, he was trying to play football when it's the last thing he should be doing going by his very limited ability on it.

What I will say about Boyata that he does have going for him is his heading, he is by far our best player at the club with his head, both in defending and attacking crosses whether it be clearing the ball from danger or chipping in with goals. But for me his poorness on the ball outweighs his best attribute and makes him too much of a risk to be playing, especially in the CL. Just imagine him playing a slack pass to someone like Cavani or Lewandowski putting them in on goal, it's hard enough against these sort of World Class players without gifting them goals.

It's clear Jozo will play when fit, so excluding Boyata that leaves Erik (who has fallen way out of favour under Brendan and looks like he may be off, he's also looked quite shaky anytime he's played since January), Ajer (still young and raw who will only play in an emergency), Bitton (again will only play at CB in an emergency) and then the new bhoy when he arrives Rivaldo which the PSG game will probably come too soon for him. There is a very, very slim chance imo that he will come in and impress Brendan so much that he'll play alongside Jozo against PSG so can't see it happening for Rivaldo at this early stage. To be completely honest, I'd go as far as saying that I'd rather see us go with a back three against PSG (Lustig/Jozo/Terney) just to keep Boyata out of it, I'd feel far better if we went with that alternative instead.

So all in all for me I feel Brendan is taking a massive, massive risk and will probably regret it in going with Boyata for the CL and I will most certainly be watching the game through my fingers if he plays whenever he is on the ball as I am always in constant fear of that next calamity from him around the corner.
Agreed.

Boyata had 5 very good months after 18 months of utter shampoo.

If we don't sign a quality centre back in the next 5 days, hopefully the risk that Dedryck's at the required standard for Champions League football pays off.
It wasn't really 18 months of shampoo.

Not saying he was fantastic but he did have good games in that period.

I like him. I think he has been superb under Brendan and the fact of the matter is our manager rates Boyata as our number one center half.
This.

If we're going to judge players based on having a fair share of bad games under Deila, we'd be as well writing off half of the current team.

He's been largely excellent so far under Rodgers.

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It wasn't really 18 months of shampoo.

Not saying he was fantastic but he did have good games in that period.

I like him. I think he has been superb under Brendan and the fact of the matter is our manager rates Boyata as our number one center half.
This.

If we're going to judge players based on having a fair share of bad games under Deila, we'd be as well writing off half of the current team.

He's been largely excellent so far under Rodgers.

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Can't wait for him to come back. Not only for the defence but for someone to attack the ball from our set-pieces.
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Can't wait for him to come back. Not only for the defence but for someone to attack the ball from our set-pieces.
This. Some brilliant balls put in today but no one attacking them.
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Can't wait for him to come back. Not only for the defence but for someone to attack the ball from our set-pieces.
Was thinking the same today. Some of Griffiths' deliveries were excellent and begging to be attacked
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It wasn't really 18 months of shampoo.

Not saying he was fantastic but he did have good games in that period.

I like him. I think he has been superb under Brendan and the fact of the matter is our manager rates Boyata as our number one center half.
This.

If we're going to judge players based on having a fair share of bad games under Deila, we'd be as well writing off half of the current team.

He's been largely excellent so far under Rodgers.

Correct there's posters on here who really think we can afford a centreback who can match all of Boyata's positive attributes and has none of his deficiencies!!
Well good luck with that one guys!!
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This.

If we're going to judge players based on having a fair share of bad games under Deila, we'd be as well writing off half of the current team.

He's been largely excellent so far under Rodgers.

Correct there's posters on here who really think we can afford a centreback who can match all of Boyata's positive attributes and has none of his deficiencies!!
Well good luck with that one guys!!
To me, Jozo's a noticeably better defender who isn't prone to the howlers that Boyata is. Jozo isn't as good as van Dijk who we also managed to sign. While I don't expect us to sign a Jozo & VVD every time we buy a defender, there's better out there than Boyata that are within our reach.
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Correct there's posters on here who really think we can afford a centreback who can match all of Boyata's positive attributes and has none of his deficiencies!!
Well good luck with that one guys!!
To me, Jozo's a noticeably better defender who isn't prone to the howlers that Boyata is. Jozo isn't as good as van Dijk who we also managed to sign. While I don't expect us to sign a Jozo & VVD every time we buy a defender, there's better out there than Boyata that are within our reach.
For example.....?
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