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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
Topic Started: 15 May 2015, 04:15 PM (461,628 Views)
Gothamcelt
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7 Mar 2017, 09:46 AM
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7 Mar 2017, 09:37 AM
Was he really that bad on Sunday, I missed the game and haven't watched any highlights bar the goals.
They were all rotten first half, and better second.
Erik had a poorer match.
I thought one was as bad as the other.

It was as if both were nervous and each reacted to each other nervousness with bad passing / bad decision making.
They did not seem composed, hopefully they have that out their system for Sunday.

Boyata is like an Amoruso / Ambrose type of player for me, both do alright as long as they are not given time to think what they should do with the ball.
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7 Mar 2017, 12:23 PM
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7 Mar 2017, 09:46 AM
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7 Mar 2017, 09:37 AM
Was he really that bad on Sunday, I missed the game and haven't watched any highlights bar the goals.
They were all rotten first half, and better second.
Erik had a poorer match.
I thought one was as bad as the other.

It was as if both were nervous and each reacted to each other nervousness with bad passing / bad decision making.
They did not seem composed, hopefully they have that out their system for Sunday.

Boyata is like an Amoruso / Ambrose type of player for me, both do alright as long as they are not given time to think what they should do with the ball.
Erik didn't win a header all match.
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7 Mar 2017, 09:48 AM
Why are we looking for problems that aren't there? He's hit a great bit of form and made a few sloppy passes at the weekend. That's all.
I think Sunday will be a big game for him. He's been impressive, there's no doubting that, but he's slotted into a team that is completely dominant. He missed out whole European campaign and came back in when the league was won. Although the opposition won't be great on Sunday it will be a high pressure game. If he has a strong game I'll be a lot more convinced that he's a viable first choice for next season.
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Boyata has played with both Sviatchenko and Simunovic since getting into the team in January and has been comfortably better than both of them. I don't really think it's in doubt that Boyata starts on Sunday. Sviatchenko has a lofty reputation with large sections of the support that isn't backed up by his ability or performance level - it's a strange one.
Edited by Bandage, 9 Mar 2017, 08:46 AM.
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9 Mar 2017, 08:46 AM
Boyata has played with both Sviatchenko and Simunovic since getting into the team in January and has been comfortably better than both of them. I don't really think it's in doubt that Boyata starts on Sunday. Sviatchenko has a lofty reputation with large sections of the support that isn't backed up by his ability or performance level - it's a strange one.
Sviatchenko does a lot of the ugly work during games that doesn't get noticed, in games which we are dominating it won't look like he's doing an awful lot but when we come under the cosh in games (HBS, Aberdeen at Pittodrie) he's been a rock for us, was one of the main aspects of us qualifying for the CL. Over the piece he's been consistently good for us domestically and has only had 1 or 2 bad games. One of them was at Ibrox and even though he started poorly he more than made up for it with his potentially goal saving slide challenge on Forrester. You're not the only one who's been critical of him recently and I find it strange, watch him closely and you'll see the good work he does...
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He's been that good he got a song. He'll be fine against the binbag, and BR will have sussed the time on the ball thing. Bitton or Brown will probably just come and take it off him.
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9 Mar 2017, 08:46 AM
Boyata has played with both Sviatchenko and Simunovic since getting into the team in January and has been comfortably better than both of them. I don't really think it's in doubt that Boyata starts on Sunday. Sviatchenko has a lofty reputation with large sections of the support that isn't backed up by his ability or performance level - it's a strange one.
[Boyata] has been comfortably better than both of them = exaggeration

Sviatchenko has a lofty reputation with large sections of the support that isn't backed up by his ability or performance level - it's a strange one = something strange indeed
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9 Mar 2017, 08:46 AM
Boyata has played with both Sviatchenko and Simunovic since getting into the team in January and has been comfortably better than both of them. I don't really think it's in doubt that Boyata starts on Sunday. Sviatchenko has a lofty reputation with large sections of the support that isn't backed up by his ability or performance level - it's a strange one.
Sviatchenko does a lot of the ugly work during games that doesn't get noticed, in games which we are dominating it won't look like he's doing an awful lot but when we come under the cosh in games (HBS, Aberdeen at Pittodrie) he's been a rock for us, was one of the main aspects of us qualifying for the CL. Over the piece he's been consistently good for us domestically and has only had 1 or 2 bad games. One of them was at Ibrox and even though he started poorly he more than made up for it with his potentially goal saving slide challenge on Forrester. You're not the only one who's been critical of him recently and I find it strange, watch him closely and you'll see the good work he does...
I do indeed watch Sviatchenko closely. He's a vast improvement on some of the weak (physically and mentally) centre backs we've had over the past 6 or 7 years. I like his determination, aggression, tackling and general attitude but he's a few weaknesses too - his positional sense can be off, he doesn't have the recovery pace of Boyata, his distribution is mixed and he can be targeted in the air. I think he's been good over the piece but not outstanding and a club aspiring to compete in the latter stages of the Champions League would need an upgrade on him.
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9 Mar 2017, 10:53 AM
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9 Mar 2017, 08:46 AM
Boyata has played with both Sviatchenko and Simunovic since getting into the team in January and has been comfortably better than both of them. I don't really think it's in doubt that Boyata starts on Sunday. Sviatchenko has a lofty reputation with large sections of the support that isn't backed up by his ability or performance level - it's a strange one.
Sviatchenko does a lot of the ugly work during games that doesn't get noticed, in games which we are dominating it won't look like he's doing an awful lot but when we come under the cosh in games (HBS, Aberdeen at Pittodrie) he's been a rock for us, was one of the main aspects of us qualifying for the CL. Over the piece he's been consistently good for us domestically and has only had 1 or 2 bad games. One of them was at Ibrox and even though he started poorly he more than made up for it with his potentially goal saving slide challenge on Forrester. You're not the only one who's been critical of him recently and I find it strange, watch him closely and you'll see the good work he does...
I do indeed watch Sviatchenko closely. He's a vast improvement on some of the weak (physically and mentally) centre backs we've had over the past 6 or 7 years. I like his determination, aggression, tackling and general attitude but he's a few weaknesses too - his positional sense can be off, he doesn't have the recovery pace of Boyata, his distribution is mixed and he can be targeted in the air. I think he's been good over the piece but not outstanding and a club aspiring to compete in the latter stages of the Champions League would need an upgrade on him.
He reads the game well enough to make up for his lack of pace and positional awareness. You could argue we need to improve all over the park apart from Dembele to compete beyond the group stages in the Champions League. It's a strange stance to take using that against Sviatchenko considering he is proven more in Europe than Boyata and Simunovic (although I accept he had a few good games in the Europa League last season). I don't want it to sound like I'm being negative about them, I actually quite like all 3 and I wasn't as critical of Boyata last season as others, his recent form has been exaggerated slightly though and although his resurgence has been great he's still got more to prove than Erik and Jozo who have been consistently good since joining.
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I still dont trust him, I would prefer if jozo started on sunday.
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10 Mar 2017, 11:39 AM
I still dont trust him, I would prefer if jozo started on sunday.
He hasnt really put a foot wrong since coming into the team. He will stroll it on Sunday.
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I do indeed watch Sviatchenko closely. He's a vast improvement on some of the weak (physically and mentally) centre backs we've had over the past 6 or 7 years. I like his determination, aggression, tackling and general attitude but he's a few weaknesses too - his positional sense can be off, he doesn't have the recovery pace of Boyata, his distribution is mixed and he can be targeted in the air. I think he's been good over the piece but not outstanding and a club aspiring to compete in the latter stages of the Champions League would need an upgrade on him.
He reads the game well enough to make up for his lack of pace and positional awareness. You could argue we need to improve all over the park apart from Dembele to compete beyond the group stages in the Champions League. It's a strange stance to take using that against Sviatchenko considering he is proven more in Europe than Boyata and Simunovic (although I accept he had a few good games in the Europa League last season). I don't want it to sound like I'm being negative about them, I actually quite like all 3 and I wasn't as critical of Boyata last season as others, his recent form has been exaggerated slightly though and although his resurgence has been great he's still got more to prove than Erik and Jozo who have been consistently good since joining.
We'll have to agree to differ. I don't think Sviatchenko reads the game well - he'll attack the ball, tackle and all that stuff if the ball's there but there's a multitude of examples of his awareness being a bit below the required Champions League level. I think Boyata has more scope for improvement and has better physical attributes so it makes sense to me that the manager is giving him every chance to establish himself in the team.
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Boyata's been our best centre half since the winter break. The idea that Brendan Rodgers will drop him because of how he played under a different manager 12 months ago is ridiculous even by KDS standards.
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10 Mar 2017, 11:50 AM
Boyata's been our best centre half since the winter break. The idea that Brendan Rodgers will drop him because of how he played under a different manager 12 months ago is ridiculous even by KDS standards.

You are right in what you say, but I would point to his temperament, how many big games has he played in, he had a nightmare against them last year. Yes he apparently he was injured, so he probably shouldn't have been put in that position.
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Boyata's been our best centre half since the winter break. The idea that Brendan Rodgers will drop him because of how he played under a different manager 12 months ago is ridiculous even by KDS standards.

You are right in what you say, but I would point to his temperament, how many big games has he played in, he had a nightmare against them last year. Yes he apparently he was injured, so he probably shouldn't have been put in that position.
I don't remember anyone having a particularly good game against them last year, but it was obvious by that point that Deila & Collins were well on the way to losing the dressing room, if they hadn't done so already. The level of confidence in the whole squad going into that game was a fraction of what it is going into this one, and Boyata was just one of many who didn't play well that day.

He's worked hard to get into the team ahead of three centre halves that most of us have no problems with, he's won the confidence of a manager whose credentials dwarf those of his predecessor, and he's playing in a team that's totally confident in its own ability.

He might not have a huge amount of "big game" experience, but nor did most of our players before they established themselves in our first team. Everyone has to start somewhere. Boyata's more than earned the right to start at the weekend.

It's worth remembering as well that this is a big game in name and noise only - the gulf in quality between the two teams means it can hardly be compared to a CL game for example. He'll be coming up against Kenny Miller and Billy McKay ffs, not Ronaldo & Bale.
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9 Mar 2017, 08:46 AM
Boyata has played with both Sviatchenko and Simunovic since getting into the team in January and has been comfortably better than both of them. I don't really think it's in doubt that Boyata starts on Sunday. Sviatchenko has a lofty reputation with large sections of the support that isn't backed up by his ability or performance level - it's a strange one.
Sviatchenko does a lot of the ugly work during games that doesn't get noticed, in games which we are dominating it won't look like he's doing an awful lot but when we come under the cosh in games (HBS, Aberdeen at Pittodrie) he's been a rock for us, was one of the main aspects of us qualifying for the CL. Over the piece he's been consistently good for us domestically and has only had 1 or 2 bad games. One of them was at Ibrox and even though he started poorly he more than made up for it with his potentially goal saving slide challenge on Forrester. You're not the only one who's been critical of him recently and I find it strange, watch him closely and you'll see the good work he does...
I do indeed watch Sviatchenko closely. He's a vast improvement on some of the weak (physically and mentally) centre backs we've had over the past 6 or 7 years. I like his determination, aggression, tackling and general attitude but he's a few weaknesses too - his positional sense can be off, he doesn't have the recovery pace of Boyata, his distribution is mixed and he can be targeted in the air. I think he's been good over the piece but not outstanding and a club aspiring to compete in the latter stages of the Champions League would need an upgrade on him.
Completely agree with all of this. However, I still feel more comfortable with him than Boyata.
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