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Dedryk Boyata; in Belgium squad for WC. no longer a provo.
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Jack Thaler
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If he played for Aberdeen, Radio Scotland would be naming him (wrongly) in their SPFL dream XI.
He's not good enough on the ball to be a starter for us.

As a third choice he's fine.
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30 Jan 2017, 01:36 PM
Remy, President of the Efe Ambrose fan club, has switched his allegiance to another error prone big numpty. What gives. :lol:
From Mr Gary Caldwell is brilliant two weeks after the Gary Caldwell is crap, that's a belter.
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30 Jan 2017, 12:54 PM
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30 Jan 2017, 11:25 AM

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This seems like a fair point, backed up by the form of almost our entire squad last season with the exception of Rogic, KT, Griff and Erik.

If a player is given clear instructions on his role and is assured that the players around him know their roles equally as well and where an available pass / run will be coming from at all times it makes it much easier for him to play the game.

Under RD it seemed like no one had a clue as to where they were going or where they were meant to be.
https://twitter.com/LilZe7/status/768487115223162880

This season.

Is Deila to blame for Ambrose as well? :lol:
August. Brendan had barely been in the door, was in the midst of CL qualifiers and was sorting out the first team.

Don't think he'd had time to instill his ideas on the development squad yet.

And, yes, Deila's failings shot Boyata's confidence to eff. As he did with Armstrong and a few others.

I'm not saying Boyata is now fixed, but the current manager gets the credit for the current turnaround - however long it lasts. And he'll also get the criticism for wrong decisions he make when that too comes in time.

So it's only fair that the last manager gets the same criticism (and praise) leveled at him.

Ambrose has consistently shown to have made mistakes under 3 different managers. So no, he doesn't get blamed for that one.
Edited by Luca, 30 Jan 2017, 01:43 PM.
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30 Jan 2017, 01:41 PM
murphio
30 Jan 2017, 01:36 PM
Remy, President of the Efe Ambrose fan club, has switched his allegiance to another error prone big numpty. What gives. :lol:
From Mr Gary Caldwell is brilliant two weeks after the Gary Caldwell is crap, that's a belter.
Three games against largely poor opposition is hardly any barometer. It's at the top level Boyata is likely to get exposed. He has been absolutely brutal for us over the piece - laughable. Three games he has played fine in but like your hero Ambrose his next mistake is just waiting to happen. If this current spell has rekindled the interest of Anderlecht or the likes we should bite their arm off and get Erik back in the team pronto.
Edited by murphio, 30 Jan 2017, 01:46 PM.
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A lot of opinion that he's still brutal, and others that he is born-again, I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle of those two just now, he has come in and looked good, but Aberdeen on Wednesday will be a bigger test than he has faced recently, and the real test would be a backs-to-the-wall game at Ibrox, Pittodrie or Tynecastle when Celtic were scrapping for the points, to see whether he has re-invented himself.
I always think it it's actually good to be proved wrong about a player - if I deride a Celtic player as brutal then they come good eventually, I'm quite happy to say I was wrong about them.
I thought Brown was past his best until his upturn this season and Armstrong/Forrest were both on the road to nowhere, glad I was wrong on all counts. Also though Lustig was struggling a bit last season and Izzy played very well when Tierney was out after looking like he was a goner. Both have played well this season.
If Celtic could go to Ibrox and win with a clean sheet, having Ambrose and Boyata as the CB pairing, Rodgers would truly be a miracle worker, but if he manages to only turn around one of those two, that's pretty good going.
Edited by AG67, 30 Jan 2017, 01:58 PM.
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30 Jan 2017, 01:46 PM
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30 Jan 2017, 01:41 PM
murphio
30 Jan 2017, 01:36 PM
Remy, President of the Efe Ambrose fan club, has switched his allegiance to another error prone big numpty. What gives. :lol:
From Mr Gary Caldwell is brilliant two weeks after the Gary Caldwell is crap, that's a belter.
Three games against largely poor opposition is hardly any barometer. It's at the top level Boyata is likely to get exposed. He has been absolutely brutal for us over the piece - laughable. Three games he has played fine in but like your hero Ambrose his next mistake is just waiting to happen. If this current spell has rekindled the interest of Anderlecht or the likes we should bite their arm off and get Erik back in the team pronto.
Give the guy a chance - Rodgers has, and if Boyata messes up, he will be for the off. Wait and see, everyone deserves an opportunity to prove themselves. Put it this way, if he screws up big time, Rodgers will bin him, but in the meantime let's have some faith in BR's judgement.
Edited by AG67, 30 Jan 2017, 02:02 PM.
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30 Jan 2017, 01:46 PM
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30 Jan 2017, 01:41 PM
murphio
30 Jan 2017, 01:36 PM
Remy, President of the Efe Ambrose fan club, has switched his allegiance to another error prone big numpty. What gives. :lol:
From Mr Gary Caldwell is brilliant two weeks after the Gary Caldwell is crap, that's a belter.
Three games against largely poor opposition is hardly any barometer. It's at the top level Boyata is likely to get exposed. He has been absolutely brutal for us over the piece - laughable. Three games he has played fine in but like your hero Ambrose his next mistake is just waiting to happen. If this current spell has rekindled the interest of Anderlecht or the likes we should bite their arm off and get Erik back in the team pronto.
I've said he deserves to start the next game. That's it.

You are making the massive leaps.
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remy mcswain
30 Jan 2017, 02:06 PM
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30 Jan 2017, 01:46 PM
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30 Jan 2017, 01:41 PM

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Three games against largely poor opposition is hardly any barometer. It's at the top level Boyata is likely to get exposed. He has been absolutely brutal for us over the piece - laughable. Three games he has played fine in but like your hero Ambrose his next mistake is just waiting to happen. If this current spell has rekindled the interest of Anderlecht or the likes we should bite their arm off and get Erik back in the team pronto.
I've said he deserves to start the next game. That's it.

You are making the massive leaps.
On the basis that Erik had a couple of poor games - which I think is unfair. I'm all for giving guys the chance and when in possession etc - but Erik was outstanding for us over a long period and I think it's a little harsh he finds himself out of the team because someone who has been absolutely brutal over the piece and proved himself a liability has three decent games against poor opposition. I thought Boyata was in the team to put him in the shop window and I hope that is the case.
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30 Jan 2017, 02:16 PM
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30 Jan 2017, 01:46 PM

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I've said he deserves to start the next game. That's it.

You are making the massive leaps.
On the basis that Erik had a couple of poor games - which I think is unfair. I'm all for giving guys the chance and when in possession etc - but Erik was outstanding for us over a long period and I think it's a little harsh he finds himself out of the team because someone who has been absolutely brutal over the piece and proved himself a liability has three decent games against poor opposition. I thought Boyata was in the team to put him in the shop window and I hope that is the case.
It's obvious now he isn't in the shop window.

He deserves to start the next game based on Hearts and St Johnstone.
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Probably unfair to have judged him solely under Ronny. He was playing in a team with players that often didn't want the ball, with many of them unsure of what was expected of them.

I remember Scott Brown being slated for being unable to play a simple 10 yard pass to a teammate, but it would appear he can. If Boyata can get confidence and experience in the team, when the team is playing well, then it'll stand him in good stead for when we're under pressure in bigger games to come.

I thought his time was up with us a long time ago, but if Rodgers can give him the self belief that any footballer needs he may well surprise a lot of us. We'll soon find out, either way.
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murphio
30 Jan 2017, 02:16 PM
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30 Jan 2017, 02:06 PM
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30 Jan 2017, 01:46 PM

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I've said he deserves to start the next game. That's it.

You are making the massive leaps.
On the basis that Erik had a couple of poor games - which I think is unfair. I'm all for giving guys the chance and when in possession etc - but Erik was outstanding for us over a long period and I think it's a little harsh he finds himself out of the team because someone who has been absolutely brutal over the piece and proved himself a liability has three decent games against poor opposition. I thought Boyata was in the team to put him in the shop window and I hope that is the case.
I have a feeling much as Rodgers rates Svaitchencko he perhaps doesn't rate him as yet quite as highly as a fair element of the support do - He says Erik is learning and he rates Simunovic higher and much as he wouldn't criticise Erik in the public domain the mare at Snake Mountain (one saving tackle aside) may have given Rodgers food for thought over the three week break and he has given Boyata his chance - Maybe he is trying a DDV/Gordon "up your game" scenario but I have a feeling he is more for giving Boyata a sustained run in the team - It may only be three games so far but like Armstrong he is playing like a different player and for now should be and deserves to be starting.
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30 Jan 2017, 01:15 PM
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30 Jan 2017, 01:12 PM
Don't get me wrong, Boyata's form since coming back has been positive but Ambrose could put a few decent games together too. Sviatchenko, Simunovic, Toure and Lustig are all better options at centre back in terms of consistency, I think similarly to Ambrose, Boyata is one mistake from being reinstated as a bombscare.
He's had three good games in a row. He deserves to start on Wednesday to see if he can maintain this.

Sviatchenko made loads of mistakes in december and had a shocker at Ibrox. Sumunovic probably won't be here next season, so Boyata should play to see if he can become consistent.
Interesting that Sviatchenko and Lustig, who were both culpable at Ibrox, have been made to work their way back into the team. That, for me, is good to see from the manager. Who knows whether Boyata will develop into a decent and reliable option but we'll never know if he's not given a string of 1st team starts to prove either way. For now, I'd stick with both him and Gamboa in the defence as they've done nothing to suggest that they shouldn't be there.
Edited by Peco, 30 Jan 2017, 02:43 PM.
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Hes getting some game time in case a bid comes in for jozo.
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He got away with one in the first minute. An awful drilled pass, unsurprisingly. But didn't put a foot wrong after that and deserves his starting place on Wednesday.
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30 Jan 2017, 01:46 PM
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30 Jan 2017, 01:41 PM
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30 Jan 2017, 01:36 PM
Remy, President of the Efe Ambrose fan club, has switched his allegiance to another error prone big numpty. What gives. :lol:
From Mr Gary Caldwell is brilliant two weeks after the Gary Caldwell is crap, that's a belter.
Three games against largely poor opposition is hardly any barometer. It's at the top level Boyata is likely to get exposed. He has been absolutely brutal for us over the piece - laughable. Three games he has played fine in but like your hero Ambrose his next mistake is just waiting to happen. If this current spell has rekindled the interest of Anderlecht or the likes we should bite their arm off and get Erik back in the team pronto.
3rd game in a row under the current manager might just be what he needed.
Who knows, time will tell.
Playing well, and deserves to keep the starting jersey.

As Remy said, Erik was making some pretty bad mistakes prior to the break.
Against largely poor teams as well, so what does that say ?
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30 Jan 2017, 02:55 PM
Hes getting some game time in case a bid comes in for jozo.
If you're going to invent stuff, at least apply logic
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30 Jan 2017, 01:15 PM
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30 Jan 2017, 01:12 PM
Don't get me wrong, Boyata's form since coming back has been positive but Ambrose could put a few decent games together too. Sviatchenko, Simunovic, Toure and Lustig are all better options at centre back in terms of consistency, I think similarly to Ambrose, Boyata is one mistake from being reinstated as a bombscare.
He's had three good games in a row. He deserves to start on Wednesday to see if he can maintain this.

Sviatchenko made loads of mistakes in december and had a shocker at Ibrox. Sumunovic probably won't be here next season, so Boyata should play to see if he can become consistent.
Sviatchenko was poor at Ibrox for the first half hour, but for the rest of the game was absolutely fine and made a perfect last ditch tackle on Forrester.
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I don't think Boyata was as quite as bad last season as some have said. He did have games but so did the whole team. He was also solid in a lot of games and he can be a real goal threat.

It is a little harsh on Erik to lose his place but it means no one will get complacent. I think Erik/Jozo should start on Wednesday. They are our best partnership but Boyata deserves credit.
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30 Jan 2017, 03:26 PM
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30 Jan 2017, 01:12 PM
Don't get me wrong, Boyata's form since coming back has been positive but Ambrose could put a few decent games together too. Sviatchenko, Simunovic, Toure and Lustig are all better options at centre back in terms of consistency, I think similarly to Ambrose, Boyata is one mistake from being reinstated as a bombscare.
He's had three good games in a row. He deserves to start on Wednesday to see if he can maintain this.

Sviatchenko made loads of mistakes in december and had a shocker at Ibrox. Sumunovic probably won't be here next season, so Boyata should play to see if he can become consistent.
Sviatchenko was poor at Ibrox for the first half hour, but for the rest of the game was absolutely fine and made a perfect last ditch tackle on Forrester.
I wonder how people would have reacted if the story had been "Boyata was poor at Ibrox for the first half hour, but for the rest of the game was absolutely fine"?
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Sviatchenko was poor at Ibrox for the first half hour, but for the rest of the game was absolutely fine and made a perfect last ditch tackle on Forrester.
I wonder how people would have reacted if the story had been "Boyata was poor at Ibrox for the first half hour, but for the rest of the game was absolutely fine"?
He wouldn't have saw out the rest of the game. :ph43r:
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