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James Forrest; he's awright so he is.
Topic Started: 26 Feb 2015, 09:19 PM (517,987 Views)
Bundy1967
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if you haven't made it at 25 your going to struggle to do so, has happened before though so can't be discounted, I just think the boys decision making is terrible, sometimes when he gets it right he looks good, but that's not often, get a winger in and sell him I say
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18 Jan 2016, 02:49 PM
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It's make or break time for Forrest.
Make or break time has come and gone I think.

It's turning into the Shaun Maloney annual 'make or break' thread.
Pretty much. He'll be 25 in the summer and people still talk about him like he's a youngster with potential.
Agreed. Between injuries, he's had plenty of game time and has quite simply not done the business often enough to justify a permanent first team berth. In the immortal words of Dudley Moore, "Now is the time to say goodbye.....".
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Proverbial 'prospect'.

Ditch. One excellent game in a blue moon, one good game in 10, and the rest are just, well, rotten.
Never been a fan, thought he had turned a corner but it was into a cul-de-sac. :(
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People forget Forrest has had horrendous injury problems. Myself included. This is the first season I can ever remember where he hasn't had a major break down of some sort.

Start of the season he clearly didn't trust his own body. That's understandable. Since then I've seen him look more confident in the tackle and despite all the criticism I actually think he's doing well when taking all his problems into consideration.

Would be happy to sign him up longer term. The boy has great potential and if his injury woes really are behind him now it's worth holding on a bit longer to see if he can come good. A lot of folk thought we needed to cut our losses with Rogic as well.

All this assumes he actually wants to stay of course.
Edited by tinytim81, 19 Jan 2016, 01:26 AM.
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tinytim81
19 Jan 2016, 01:26 AM
The boy has great potential
Like I said earlier, must be the only 24 year old whose supporters talk of his "potential".

He's played almost 200 games for Celtic now. He's all the player he's ever going to be at this stage.
Edited by McStay, 19 Jan 2016, 01:39 AM.
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19 Jan 2016, 01:39 AM
tinytim81
19 Jan 2016, 01:26 AM
The boy has great potential
Like I said earlier, must be the only 24 year old whose supporters talk of his "potential".

He's played almost 200 games for Celtic now. He's all the player he's ever going to be at this stage.
I would rather people stop talking about his potential too but that second part of yours is, well...pish.

BTW Pato is 26 and people still go on about his potential.
Edited by Bawman, 19 Jan 2016, 02:48 AM.
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I fear we have all seen the best of James Forrest
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19 Jan 2016, 02:47 AM
I fear we have all seen the best of James Forrest
Maybe in a Celtic shirt we have. If Niall McGinn and a host of others can kick on post-Celtic, Forrest can too. FWIW Forrest is a better player than either McGinn or Hayes.

In the SPL teams play Aberdeen straight up, very few if any play us that way. Forrest can still do it for sure but I'm doubtful we'll see it from him as a Celtic player.
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19 Jan 2016, 02:51 AM
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I fear we have all seen the best of James Forrest
Maybe in a Celtic shirt we have. If Niall McGinn and a host of others can kick on post-Celtic, Forrest can too. FWIW Forrest is a better player than either McGinn or Hayes.

In the SPL teams play Aberdeen straight up, very few if any play us that way. Forrest can still do it for sure but I'm doubtful we'll see it from him as a Celtic player.
I think he could have a good career at an Aberdeen or even the likes of Hearts :ph43r: but here he is only going backwards. Oh for the lad that broke through with confidence pace, a cross and a shot or am i just seeing his breaking through too positive.
Edited by Lewis Hamilton's Biggest Fan, 19 Jan 2016, 10:21 AM.
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19 Jan 2016, 01:39 AM
tinytim81
19 Jan 2016, 01:26 AM
The boy has great potential
Like I said earlier, must be the only 24 year old whose supporters talk of his "potential".

He's played almost 200 games for Celtic now. He's all the player he's ever going to be at this stage.
How many of those games did he play carrying an injury? His progress has clearly been stalled because of constant problems that aren't of his own making.

Henrik Larsson was offloaded by Feyenoord at 24/25. His early potential having stalled (albeit for other reasons aside from injury).

It happens and to suggest he's all the player he's ever going to be at 24 is totally defeatist.
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Forrest has suffered injuries, form etc. but now he's suffering 'Ronny Deila' like the rest of us.

Zero chance of Forrest producing under Ronny with his effed up system, tactics and lack of forwards.

James should go and sign a nice contract elsewhere and challenge himself. Wasn't to be.

Same can be said of a few more in this squad.
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tinytim81
19 Jan 2016, 03:23 AM
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19 Jan 2016, 01:39 AM
tinytim81
19 Jan 2016, 01:26 AM
The boy has great potential
Like I said earlier, must be the only 24 year old whose supporters talk of his "potential".

He's played almost 200 games for Celtic now. He's all the player he's ever going to be at this stage.
How many of those games did he play carrying an injury? His progress has clearly been stalled because of constant problems that aren't of his own making.

Henrik Larsson was offloaded by Feyenoord at 24/25. His early potential having stalled (albeit for other reasons aside from injury).

It happens and to suggest he's all the player he's ever going to be at 24 is totally defeatist.
I thought Larsson had a £600K release clause in his contract that Wim knew about and used to our benefit?

I wouldn't call that "offloaded".
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tinytim81
19 Jan 2016, 01:26 AM
People forget Forrest has had horrendous injury problems. Myself included. This is the first season I can ever remember where he hasn't had a major break down of some sort.

Start of the season he clearly didn't trust his own body. That's understandable. Since then I've seen him look more confident in the tackle and despite all the criticism I actually think he's doing well when taking all his problems into consideration.

Would be happy to sign him up longer term. The boy has great potential and if his injury woes really are behind him now it's worth holding on a bit longer to see if he can come good. A lot of folk thought we needed to cut our losses with Rogic as well.

All this assumes he actually wants to stay of course.
I think the optimism and hopefulness in your post is just that

A more pragmatic assessment of gmfortest is that he's had this potential but never delivered and we can't keep 'hoping' it happens

There comes a point to let go - and it's now
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19 Jan 2016, 12:48 AM
if you haven't made it at 25 your going to struggle to do so, has happened before though so can't be discounted, I just think the boys decision making is terrible, sometimes when he gets it right he looks good, but that's not often, get a winger in and sell him I say
Define "making it". Forrest has won a bunch of titles, played in the Champions League and is a full international. He might not have had Jimmy Johnstone's career but he's achieved more than 95% of kids who come through our youth system. I've been disappointed in him in recent months and, I know this is a bit of a cop out, but I do think Forrest is one of those players (Stuart Armstrong's another) who would benefit from a different manager playing to his strengths. He's dreadful on the left hand side yet that seems to be where he plays a lot of his football these days.
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19 Jan 2016, 08:13 AM
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19 Jan 2016, 01:39 AM

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How many of those games did he play carrying an injury? His progress has clearly been stalled because of constant problems that aren't of his own making.

Henrik Larsson was offloaded by Feyenoord at 24/25. His early potential having stalled (albeit for other reasons aside from injury).

It happens and to suggest he's all the player he's ever going to be at 24 is totally defeatist.
I thought Larsson had a £600K release clause in his contract that Wim knew about and used to our benefit?

I wouldn't call that "offloaded".
His career had stuttered and stumbled in Holland. He was a guy in his mid twenties that many said hadn't lived up to his potential and wasn't going to. In fact I remember a large portion of supporters I knew that saw him as a pound store answer to DiCanio.

The point being, writing someone off at 24 and saying if they haven't done it by then, they're not going to, is unfair. Especially when you consider all the injury problems Forrest has had.

I think he is potentially one of the best players this country has produced in decades. If he can stay fit this time it's worth holding on a couple more years to see if he can get there.
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19 Jan 2016, 10:20 AM
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19 Jan 2016, 08:13 AM
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19 Jan 2016, 03:23 AM

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I thought Larsson had a £600K release clause in his contract that Wim knew about and used to our benefit?

I wouldn't call that "offloaded".
His career had stuttered and stumbled in Holland. He was a guy in his mid twenties that many said hadn't lived up to his potential and wasn't going to. In fact I remember a large portion of supporters I knew that saw him as a pound store answer to DiCanio.

The point being, writing someone off at 24 and saying if they haven't done it by then, they're not going to, is unfair. Especially when you consider all the injury problems Forrest has had.

I think he is potentially one of the best players this country has produced in decades. If he can stay fit this time it's worth holding on a couple more years to see if he can get there.
I think he is potentially one of the best players this country has produced in decades. If he can stay fit this time it's worth holding on a couple more years to see if he can get there

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Will genuinely never understand posts like this to be honest! Even when he was 'at his best' he might have been one of the fastest but one of the best for decades? That's just nonsense - sorry

How many decades are we allowed to go back to counter that assertion?
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19 Jan 2016, 10:20 AM


I think he is potentially one of the best players this country has produced in decades. If he can stay fit this time it's worth holding on a couple more years to see if he can get there.
Jesus effing Christ.

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I fear we have all seen the best of James Forrest
Well we have definitely seen the worst of him.
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I think he is potentially one of the best players this country has produced in decades. If he can stay fit this time it's worth holding on a couple more years to see if he can get there.
Jesus effing Christ.

While this is over the top as regards praise I do agree he is a talent.

I met Lenny a couple of times and he raved about Forrest saying how good he was in training and the potential he had if they could get his body right.

He lacks something positioning wise but its hard for him in this system to play where he is best.

I wouldn't be so keen to sell him if he was my player!
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19 Jan 2016, 10:36 AM
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I fear we have all seen the best of James Forrest
Well we have definitely seen the worst of him.
Some of it has made your eyes bleed
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