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James Forrest; he's awright so he is.
Topic Started: 26 Feb 2015, 09:19 PM (518,033 Views)
ronny_is_not_da_man
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3 Aug 2015, 11:29 AM
His biggest problems his fitness. He's got pace but his stamina is shockingly poor. Ronnys fitness regimes hasn't worked so far. Thing is if it does work for him he will be off ski to pastures new. Suspect he will think he's too good for us
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Suspect he will think he's too good for us


Care to share what the hell makes you think that? :lol: His problem is he just isn't very good and has lost the one thing he had. His pace.
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brogan
3 Aug 2015, 11:29 AM
His biggest problems his fitness. He's got pace but his stamina is shockingly poor. Ronnys fitness regimes hasn't worked so far. Thing is if it does work for him he will be off ski to pastures new. Suspect he will think he's too good for us
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Suspect he will think he's too good for us


Care to share what the hell makes you think that? :lol: His problem is he just isn't very good and has lost the one thing he had. His pace.
As soon as he broke through into the first team he was down at Spurs training and looking at their set up. Don't know him but body language give me the thought. We all have gut feelings about things so I ain't apologising less I'm proved wrong then I will be happy to do so
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brogan
3 Aug 2015, 11:29 AM
His biggest problems his fitness. He's got pace but his stamina is shockingly poor. Ronnys fitness regimes hasn't worked so far. Thing is if it does work for him he will be off ski to pastures new. Suspect he will think he's too good for us
I can assure you he's never going to be the player we thought he might've been. His touch is horrific and lack of skill and final delivery just as bad. If he never had a burst of pace then he probably wouldn't have made it as far as he has.

I've seen nothing in the past 2 years which suggest he warrants a new contract so I'd expect him to be released next summer when his current deal expires.
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3 Aug 2015, 11:41 AM
ronny_is_da_man
3 Aug 2015, 11:33 AM
brogan
3 Aug 2015, 11:29 AM
His biggest problems his fitness. He's got pace but his stamina is shockingly poor. Ronnys fitness regimes hasn't worked so far. Thing is if it does work for him he will be off ski to pastures new. Suspect he will think he's too good for us
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Suspect he will think he's too good for us


Care to share what the hell makes you think that? :lol: His problem is he just isn't very good and has lost the one thing he had. His pace.
As soon as he broke through into the first team he was down at Spurs training and looking at their set up. Don't know him but body language give me the thought. We all have gut feelings about things so I ain't apologising less I'm proved wrong then I will be happy to do so
The supposed Spurs interest was years and years ago. If he thought that way he would have left us at the very first opportunity. He just isn't very good.
Edited by ronny_is_not_da_man, 3 Aug 2015, 11:46 AM.
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3 Aug 2015, 09:49 AM
The two wide players in the system play really narrow, they aren't really about getting to the bye line and whipping balls in, so I'm not sure why we keep playing Forrest on the right? Surely he should play on the left and GMS play on the right that way they are cutting in on their good foot?

There is no point playing with a winger if all they have to hit in the box is Griffiths. Everyone is going to look like they are pish at crossing the ball when you are aiming for a single wee guy in the box
I like the idea of switching the wingers. I reckon Forrest would be a lot better on the left and GM-S on the right.
Strachan did this at Southampton, moving the leftie (Fernandez ?) to the right and then again at Celtic with Nakamura. He saw that when the winger cut inside it left lots of space for attacking full backs. Lennon had a lot of success with Izzy and Samaras. Real Madrid used it last season to great effect particularly with Carvajal down the right when Bale moved infield.

Griffiths height or lack of it won't matter if the crosses are good enough. He's very decent with his napper.
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I thought he was alright at the weekend. Didn't really do anything out wide but when the ball was chipped out of defence for a counter attack, there was a few instances where he was the one taking the ball down just inside our half and bringing the midfield into play.
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3 Aug 2015, 11:45 AM
brogan
3 Aug 2015, 11:29 AM
His biggest problems his fitness. He's got pace but his stamina is shockingly poor. Ronnys fitness regimes hasn't worked so far. Thing is if it does work for him he will be off ski to pastures new. Suspect he will think he's too good for us
I can assure you he's never going to be the player we thought he might've been. His touch is horrific and lack of skill and final delivery just as bad. If he never had a burst of pace then he probably wouldn't have made it as far as he has.

I've seen nothing in the past 2 years which suggest he warrants a new contract so I'd expect him to be released next summer when his current deal expires.
Given that analysis, you couldn't assure me it was Monday.
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3 Aug 2015, 09:49 AM
The two wide players in the system play really narrow, they aren't really about getting to the bye line and whipping balls in, so I'm not sure why we keep playing Forrest on the right? Surely he should play on the left and GMS play on the right that way they are cutting in on their good foot?

There is no point playing with a winger if all they have to hit in the box is Griffiths. Everyone is going to look like they are pish at crossing the ball when you are aiming for a single wee guy in the box
That's no really how it works though. If he's attacking and going to cross from the right then the left winger should be coming into the back post and the player behind the striker should be busting a gut to make late runs into the box, or holding his run for a cutback. At no point when we're playing in the SPL should there only be one player in the box when a winger's crossing the ball.
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3 Aug 2015, 11:18 AM
I find Forrest more disappointing than anything. Based maybe on the expectation and the knowledge of what he can do on his game.

He actually looked good in one of the early pre-season games, but I think he's often too predictable and tries to knock the ball past someone and run too often. I'd like to see him play a bit more patiently and show us something different and a bit more composed.

It may be a confidence thing, and he's still young, but we are getting to the point that we'll be affording James leeway where others were told where to go. He needs to start showing more in games.
He's the only guy we have who can slalom through a team with pace and find a finish, which can be hugely effective if it can be harnessed right against better side. His goal against Dundee at the tail end of last season is a good example. Albeit he'd been on the park less than 15 minutes against a pretty weary looking opposition. But there didn't seem to be any lack of pace about him.

There's no counter to pace, even at the top level. Forrest could be dynamite if he could be coached into making the right runs, and used the right way where we have guys who can find him with accurate first time passes. Sadly though there is too much else missing from his all round game to get the best out of him.

The problem is it comes all too seldom. First it was injury, now it seems to be a lack of diversity in his play. I know it is just a statistic, but guys like Forrest should really take a look at their pass completion rate, and see what they might be doing wrong to see why it is so low. I don't think he is anywhere near as bad as many make out, but he is a frustrating player.

It perhaps fits the current narrative for a few of our forward players but perhaps playing in a team that is likely to face deep lying, packed defences, he's unlikely to be at his most effective without changing how he can be a contributor.
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3 Aug 2015, 12:43 PM
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3 Aug 2015, 11:45 AM
brogan
3 Aug 2015, 11:29 AM
His biggest problems his fitness. He's got pace but his stamina is shockingly poor. Ronnys fitness regimes hasn't worked so far. Thing is if it does work for him he will be off ski to pastures new. Suspect he will think he's too good for us
I can assure you he's never going to be the player we thought he might've been. His touch is horrific and lack of skill and final delivery just as bad. If he never had a burst of pace then he probably wouldn't have made it as far as he has.

I've seen nothing in the past 2 years which suggest he warrants a new contract so I'd expect him to be released next summer when his current deal expires.
Given that analysis, you couldn't assure me it was Monday.
What exactly have I said thats incorrect?

His touch is awful, he doesn't have a trick to beat a player other than kicking it past them and sprinting and his final ball or ability to finish is very very inconsistent.

He's not good enough end of.
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3 Aug 2015, 11:45 AM

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Given that analysis, you couldn't assure me it was Monday.
What exactly have I said thats incorrect?

His touch is awful, he doesn't have a trick to beat a player other than kicking it past them and sprinting and his final ball or ability to finish is very very inconsistent.

He's not good enough end of.
He also telegraphs everything he's going to do
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Always thought he could have performed better as a striker. His finishing always seemed decent enough.
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3 Aug 2015, 04:29 PM
Always thought he could have performed better as a striker. His finishing always seemed decent enough.
Me too. It's been tried midway through games but it's never worked as far as I see
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If as we have been told by Deila that they are for the first time in control of Forrests body, then I expect him to come good. Deila talked about it taking time for Forrest to trust his body again when running full speed. If he can stay clear of injuries and rediscover this trust in his body then hopefully he will progress. On his day he a class player.
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3 Aug 2015, 05:13 PM
If as we have been told by Deila that they are for the first time in control of Forrests body, then I expect him to come good. Deila talked about it taking time for Forrest to trust his body again when running full speed. If he can stay clear of injuries and rediscover this trust in his body then hopefully he will progress. On his day he a class player.
By the look of Qarabags pitch he will be lucky to stay injury free, or will the state of the pitch play on his mind and restrict him 'belting' down the wing?
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Celticbhoy_07
3 Aug 2015, 11:45 AM

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Given that analysis, you couldn't assure me it was Monday.
What exactly have I said thats incorrect?

His touch is awful, he doesn't have a trick to beat a player other than kicking it past them and sprinting and his final ball or ability to finish is very very inconsistent.

He's not good enough end of.
Forrest is, in the main, an excellent finisher.

He is definitely good enough.
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3 Aug 2015, 06:21 PM
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remy mcswain
3 Aug 2015, 12:43 PM

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What exactly have I said thats incorrect?

His touch is awful, he doesn't have a trick to beat a player other than kicking it past them and sprinting and his final ball or ability to finish is very very inconsistent.

He's not good enough end of.
Forrest is, in the main, an excellent finisher.

He is definitely good enough.
He's not a good finisher at all. His record backs that up.

He has missed many a one on one. The odd good finish here and there aside his finishing isn't the greatest.

His time is up. Has been for the last year.
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remy mcswain
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What exactly have I said thats incorrect?

His touch is awful, he doesn't have a trick to beat a player other than kicking it past them and sprinting and his final ball or ability to finish is very very inconsistent.

He's not good enough end of.
Forrest is, in the main, an excellent finisher.

He is definitely good enough.
I'm really starting to think he isn't. At his best he's brilliant, but what we get is nothing even remotely like his best. He can't his man, is very one footed and always seems to just cut inside and run into a dead end.

If only he had consistency.
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