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James Forrest; he's awright so he is.
Topic Started: 26 Feb 2015, 09:19 PM (518,048 Views)
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Bobby Peru
16 Mar 2015, 03:30 PM
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16 Mar 2015, 03:27 PM
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16 Mar 2015, 03:25 PM


I would also have been very surprised if Griffiths was one of our designated penalty takers after his poor effort last week.
That's another pet peeve of mine.

That Yer no longer penalty kick taker as soon as you miss one.

I think if you have a long history of successful spot kicks then missing one isn't a problem.

We always seem to take a "whoever feels confident" attitude to penalties rather than it actually being something we plan in advance.
I'm sure RD said that we don't practice penalties and the person who's confident to step up to take it should be that person and if Commons and Griffiths are our 2 nominated penalty takers....

This may have been said when asked if the game was to end up going to penalties though.
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Have no problem with Forrest taking the penalty. He's scored from the spot before and was confident following a nicely finished goal a few minutes before. Better players than him have hit a poor penalty and missed.

The problem I have is with Guidetti's attitude around the whole thing. Can't say I'll miss him when he leaves.
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16 Mar 2015, 03:25 PM


This has gone on for years, Maloney v Lynch, McDonald in the game against the huns. It's amateurish.

Joe Miller 1989 v Rangers at Celtic Park.
He was fouled in the box, grabbed the ball, refused to hand it over despite Aitken demanding it.
Missed the penalty - missed the rebound.

We lost 1-2.

This was the game in which Chris Morris sent over a ball which miraculously crossed the bye-line to go out of play, then cross the line again to come back in to play, and amazingly cross the line AGAIN to go into the net.
:lol:

Goal was disallowed - bye-kick given. :nono:
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16 Mar 2015, 03:02 PM
Variously, he stood up to Guidetti and Johansen in actually insisting on taking it. Neither are exactly shrinking violets. For a player with apparently "no heart or fight" - copyright various - he showed enough stones to tell them both to piss off. That's fair enough by me.

Missing it though, well that kinda ruined things. :lol:

Being first to grab the ball and insist on taking the penalty ahead of other players does prove Forrest has any bottle. If he thought he was the teams next best penalty taker then he learned a lesson yesterday and hopefully that means he won't repeat the mistake. As much as I wanted him to score I was not confident and said he'd miss before he took it, I don't see him as one of the stronger characters in our team. In my opinion there were better options, players with more nerve, composure and ability to convert the chance. He wouldn't ever have made my top 5 and squad wise probably not even my top 10. Are there seriously fans out there who would have selected him as one of their 5 penalty takers if it had ended up a draw after extra time.
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One thing you could argue is that neither Forrest or Guidetti were thinking about the team.
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bermbob
16 Mar 2015, 04:52 PM
Forza
16 Mar 2015, 03:02 PM
Variously, he stood up to Guidetti and Johansen in actually insisting on taking it. Neither are exactly shrinking violets. For a player with apparently "no heart or fight" - copyright various - he showed enough stones to tell them both to piss off. That's fair enough by me.

Missing it though, well that kinda ruined things. :lol:

Being first to grab the ball and insist on taking the penalty ahead of other players does prove Forrest has any bottle. If he thought he was the teams next best penalty taker then he learned a lesson yesterday and hopefully that means he won't repeat the mistake. As much as I wanted him to score I was not confident and said he'd miss before he took it, I don't see him as one of the stronger characters in our team. In my opinion there were better options, players with more nerve, composure and ability to convert the chance. He wouldn't ever have made my top 5 and squad wise probably not even my top 10. Are there seriously fans out there who would have selected him as one of their 5 penalty takers if it had ended up a draw after extra time.
He isn't the first player to grab the ball after a penalty he has won, and he won't be the last.

I never indicated it was about bottle. A penalty at 2-0 up late in a cup final when you are playing against 10 men is hardly a situation that requires bottle. He wanted the glory or stats padding another goal would have provided. Let's be perfectly clear though, that's all Guidetti wanted it for too.

My point was that he held off Guidetti, Johansen and Stokes complaints to take the penalty. Three demonstrably bigger characters in our squad. For a guy derided as some sort of lily livered fearty, I'm pretty encouraged to see him tell them all to do one.

Players miss penalties. Griffiths, who would have taken it had he been on, missed one a mere 7 days before against the same keeper. The point is, he atoned for it in the same game.

As pointed out, Forrest had 'atoned' by already putting the game out of sight for us when others couldn't. There was no lack of "nerve, composure and ability" to convert his chance. Was there?

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16 Mar 2015, 04:55 PM
One thing you could argue is that neither Forrest or Guidetti were thinking about the team.
The game was already won, so I can see why they both wanted the pen.

Forrest would have been eyeing a hat trick if he scored, and Guidetti was probably thinking
he may make the evening news in a country that he might like to play in next year.
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16 Mar 2015, 04:51 PM
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16 Mar 2015, 03:25 PM


This has gone on for years, Maloney v Lynch, McDonald in the game against the huns. It's amateurish.

Joe Miller 1989 v Rangers at Celtic Park.
He was fouled in the box, grabbed the ball, refused to hand it over despite Aitken demanding it.
Missed the penalty - missed the rebound.

We lost 1-2.

This was the game in which Chris Morris sent over a ball which miraculously crossed the bye-line to go out of play, then cross the line again to come back in to play, and amazingly cross the line AGAIN to go into the net.
:lol:

Goal was disallowed - bye-kick given. :nono:
My first game against them, i was 7 the time and no matter how many
times my auld man tried to explain what had happened I couldn't grasp why it wasn't a goal :ponder:

He eventually told me they were just cheating bastards :lol:



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16 Mar 2015, 04:55 PM
One thing you could argue is that neither Forrest or Guidetti were thinking about the team.
Spot on. It's weird that some posters cut one player a lot more slack than the other for this, when they were both equally right/wrong.
Assuming that neither of them were the designated penalty taker, of course.

Both a pair of fuds, but the manager or captain should've had this one covered.
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IIRC, Martin O’Neill thought it was quite funny in his post-match interview (after the Lynch/Maloney one).
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16 Mar 2015, 05:18 PM
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16 Mar 2015, 04:55 PM
One thing you could argue is that neither Forrest or Guidetti were thinking about the team.
Spot on. It's weird that some posters cut one player a lot more slack than the other for this, when they were both equally right/wrong.
Assuming that neither of them were the designated penalty taker, of course.

Both a pair of fuds, but the manager or captain should've had this one covered.
NEIN. You have to be in Team Forrest or Team Guidetti. Pick a side.
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16 Mar 2015, 05:22 PM
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16 Mar 2015, 05:18 PM
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16 Mar 2015, 04:55 PM
One thing you could argue is that neither Forrest or Guidetti were thinking about the team.
Spot on. It's weird that some posters cut one player a lot more slack than the other for this, when they were both equally right/wrong.
Assuming that neither of them were the designated penalty taker, of course.

Both a pair of fuds, but the manager or captain should've had this one covered.
NEIN. You have to be in Team Forrest or Team Guidetti. Pick a side.
Team Brown for me - He was p*wning the game in the second half (not the first) and after the pish spouted in the rag during the week I reckon he would have loved to have planted the ball in the back of the net and the celebration would have ripped it out of the media.
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I agree with B Peru. This is something we've got wrong for years. There should be a pecking order beyond the first two takers, which should mean we always know exactly who takes what. No histrionics, no " hat trick" takers, no glory hunters. Simple order which only changes if anyone misses a few.
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16 Mar 2015, 01:33 PM
I'm no fan of Forrest, but he's shown he wants to take penalties in the past.

I'm sure after the penalty against Ajax he came out and publicly said he had never missed a penalty before. Wasn't that surprised he was grabbing the ball yesterday.
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16 Mar 2015, 05:18 PM
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16 Mar 2015, 04:55 PM
One thing you could argue is that neither Forrest or Guidetti were thinking about the team.
Spot on. It's weird that some posters cut one player a lot more slack than the other for this, when they were both equally right/wrong.
Assuming that neither of them were the designated penalty taker, of course.

Both a pair of fuds, but the manager or captain should've had this one covered.
I'm hoping something like that won't happen again. Captain & manager will have it covered from here on.
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Its only really an issue because Forrest made a complete arse of the kick.
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16 Mar 2015, 07:10 PM
Its only really an issue because Forrest made a complete arse of the kick.
And because we may have just witnessed a player win a trophy and walk off the pitch in a huff.
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16 Mar 2015, 07:10 PM
Its only really an issue because Forrest made a complete arse of the kick.
Maybe less so but the squabble was embarrassing.
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Indeed, the squabbling I am not that fussed about, just my opinion but I was laughing at it, like a pair of weans.

Guidetti gave away something about his character by throwing his dummy, which makes me happier he is for the off.

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16 Mar 2015, 01:41 AM
Possibly one of the worst penalties in history.
Second only to Diana Ross's.
Edited by VerdeYBlanco, 16 Mar 2015, 07:39 PM.
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