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James Forrest; he's awright so he is.
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Forrest is streaky too, when he's fit.

What do you mean by Forrest "has managed to see off dozens of players in his time at the club"? Mizuno, McGinn, Ljunberg and Slane are the only right wingers I can think of that Forrest has seen off in his time here. He's not really had much competition for his position since breaking into the first team - hence he has always played when fit. When he has been injured, we have mostly played square pegs in round holes (e.g. playing Commons on the right).

We haven't really brought anyone decent in to challenge Forrest, until now.
My point about Forrest seeing dozens of players off wasn't specifically about right wingers. I meant that dozens of players have been sold by Celtic over the past five years because they've not been good enough to play for us. Forrest, by comparison, has commanded a regular place throughout that time when he's been fit. He's never been transfer listed, he's never been sent out on loan. Celtic and Scotland managers have continually selected him over that period.
I think he's a good player, but the fact that the club has sold lots of crap players in other positions during his time here doesn't really tell us a great deal about his ability.

The fact that the club has sold lots of good players for good fees over that same period and that Forrest hasn't been one of them probably tells us more about his career to date.

He's a good player who thus far in his career has failed to sustain his performances for long enough to really make his mark. And, of course, injuries have played a massive part in that. I'm looking forward to seeing how he copes with some genuine competition. Hopefully he and GMS can bring the best out in each other.
Edited by Midfield Maestro, 16 Mar 2015, 02:47 PM.
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16 Mar 2015, 02:25 PM
For all the moaners on here absolutely gagging to have a go about Forrest & the penalty. Deila already cleared it up. Our designated takers were Commons & Griffiths. Neither was on the pitch. Instead of blaming the guy with the ball how about the guy kicking up a stink so he could get a shot? Said this yesterday. You could lip read Forrest saying "why?" when Guidetti was trying to get the ball off him. Guidetti wanted to score for himself and had a bigger role to play in the embarrassing scenes than Forrest. But still. It was Forrest's fault.
Why? eff knows wee man. eff knows.
Johansen seemed to be doing a lot of the arguing on Guidetti's behalf.
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For all the posters sayinh he won the penalty and had every right to take it all I'll ask is when do you leave school? The Manager designates who takes the penalties, Brown, Stokes & Guidetti knew who was to take it bit the stupid little boy thoght he knew better and hit perhaps the worst penalt that was actually on target in the history of senior football in this country. also for all those who say the game was finished anyway, all it took was for Utd to go up the pitch and score for all hell to break loose in the closimg minutes. It was 2-0 and no game is finished at 2-0.
I left school in 2000, luckily for me i had a basic grasp of reading. Thanks to that particular skill i have read ronny's comments on the matter, the only 2 nominated penalty takers (commons and griffiths) were not on the pitch anymore so nobody was responsible for taking it. Forrest had as much right to take it as anyone else and possibly more due to winning it. So you carry on with getting your knickers in a twist over what you thought should have happened and the fact that the stupid little boy didnt do what you wanted :cry: :cry:

the penalty was poor but its not the first i have ever seen missed and it really didnt matter as the game was done.
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For all the moaners on here absolutely gagging to have a go about Forrest & the penalty. Deila already cleared it up. Our designated takers were Commons & Griffiths. Neither was on the pitch. Instead of blaming the guy with the ball how about the guy kicking up a stink so he could get a shot? Said this yesterday. You could lip read Forrest saying "why?" when Guidetti was trying to get the ball off him. Guidetti wanted to score for himself and had a bigger role to play in the embarrassing scenes than Forrest. But still. It was Forrest's fault.
Why? eff knows wee man. eff knows.
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For all the moaners on here absolutely gagging to have a go about Forrest & the penalty. Deila already cleared it up. Our designated takers were Commons & Griffiths. Neither was on the pitch. Instead of blaming the guy with the ball how about the guy kicking up a stink so he could get a shot? Said this yesterday. You could lip read Forrest saying "why?" when Guidetti was trying to get the ball off him. Guidetti wanted to score for himself and had a bigger role to play in the embarrassing scenes than Forrest. But still. It was Forrest's fault.
Why? eff knows wee man. eff knows.
The manager is to blame then.
Surely with Commons and Griffiths off the park it would be up to Broony to designate the penalty taker?
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My point about Forrest seeing dozens of players off wasn't specifically about right wingers. I meant that dozens of players have been sold by Celtic over the past five years because they've not been good enough to play for us. Forrest, by comparison, has commanded a regular place throughout that time when he's been fit. He's never been transfer listed, he's never been sent out on loan. Celtic and Scotland managers have continually selected him over that period.
I think he's a good player, but the fact that the club has sold lots of crap players in other positions during his time here doesn't really tell us a great deal about his ability.

The fact that the club has sold lots of good players for good fees over that same period and that Forrest hasn't been one of them probably tells us more about his career to date.

I'm looking forward to seeing how he copes with some genuine competition. Hopefully he and GMS can bring the best out in each other.
I agree he's no Wanyama or Forster. I don't see us ever commanding a £10 million fee for him. Though, unlike those guys, I don't think Forrest necessarily has his eyes on a move down south. He's a local kid playing for the same team he's always played for, winning trophies and earning a fortune. I'm not saying he's an all-time great, just that he's made a positive contribution over the years and remains an important squad member.
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I think Forrest was well within his rights to claim the penalty as he earned it. There should be a protocol in place if the penalty kick takers are off the field. Maybe it's Broony that selects who. Most of the time I see players fight over a penalty they usually miss, because they are not in the right frame of mind to take it after wrangling with a teammate.

I won't lose any sleep in Guidetti not taking it. He is here to pad his stats and leave. Got to wonder is Scepovic really that poor he is so far down the pecking order.
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Ah heard he cost someone seventy quid by missing that penalty.
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16 Mar 2015, 02:25 PM
For all the moaners on here absolutely gagging to have a go about Forrest & the penalty. Deila already cleared it up. Our designated takers were Commons & Griffiths. Neither was on the pitch. Instead of blaming the guy with the ball how about the guy kicking up a stink so he could get a shot? Said this yesterday. You could lip read Forrest saying "why?" when Guidetti was trying to get the ball off him. Guidetti wanted to score for himself and had a bigger role to play in the embarrassing scenes than Forrest. But still. It was Forrest's fault.
Why? eff knows wee man. eff knows.
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I'd rather have a Celtic player take it and miss than a loanee who's whoring himself round his previous clubs try to take it for personal glory. Guidetti ended up unsettling Forrest.

Guidetti's taken 2 penalties for Celtic, same as Forrest had before yesterday. Both Guidetti's were in routs, a 6-0 league win where it was for his hat-trick and a 4-0 cup game against lower league opposition.

One of Forrest's was under immense pressure in the Champions League.

In the game of Rock, Paper, Guidetti, Forrest then Forrest trumps Guidetti every time for me.
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For all the moaners on here absolutely gagging to have a go about Forrest & the penalty. Deila already cleared it up. Our designated takers were Commons & Griffiths. Neither was on the pitch. Instead of blaming the guy with the ball how about the guy kicking up a stink so he could get a shot? Said this yesterday. You could lip read Forrest saying "why?" when Guidetti was trying to get the ball off him. Guidetti wanted to score for himself and had a bigger role to play in the embarrassing scenes than Forrest. But still. It was Forrest's fault.
Why? eff knows wee man. eff knows.
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I was a wee bit dissapointed in Brown not sorting it out.
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Seems to be missed that thanks to Forrest's composed, accurate first time finish for the second goal (something our forward players have been painfully lacking in many games this season) the penalty was largely immaterial. It would have been gloss on a result which was already known.

He won the penalty. With Griffiths and Commons both off the pitch he was entitled to take it in that situation. I'd rather he worked on what he did with the penalty rather focus on the fact he denied others a chance to take it.

Variously, he stood up to Guidetti and Johansen in actually insisting on taking it. Neither are exactly shrinking violets. For a player with apparently "no heart or fight" - copyright various - he showed enough stones to tell them both to piss off. That's fair enough by me.

Missing it though, well that kinda ruined things. :lol:

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For all the moaners on here absolutely gagging to have a go about Forrest & the penalty. Deila already cleared it up. Our designated takers were Commons & Griffiths. Neither was on the pitch. Instead of blaming the guy with the ball how about the guy kicking up a stink so he could get a shot? Said this yesterday. You could lip read Forrest saying "why?" when Guidetti was trying to get the ball off him. Guidetti wanted to score for himself and had a bigger role to play in the embarrassing scenes than Forrest. But still. It was Forrest's fault.
Why? eff knows wee man. eff knows.
The manager is to blame then.
Surely with Commons and Griffiths off the park it would be up to Broony to designate the penalty taker?
The manager is on the sidelines, takes a few seconds for someone to ask him.

Time to put Brown back on them IMO.
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Surely with Commons and Griffiths off the park it would be up to Broony to designate the penalty taker?
The manager is on the sidelines, takes a few seconds for someone to ask him.

Time to put Brown back on them IMO.
I'd let Virgil hit them. Just smack it as hard as possible.
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I think Guidetti wanted to take it from Forrest, as did he not set Forrest up for his goal, and wanted payback for it? I'm sure I saw him mouthing "quid pro quo, Jamesie" , when trying to get the ball from him.
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For all the moaners on here absolutely gagging to have a go about Forrest & the penalty. Deila already cleared it up. Our designated takers were Commons & Griffiths. Neither was on the pitch. Instead of blaming the guy with the ball how about the guy kicking up a stink so he could get a shot? Said this yesterday. You could lip read Forrest saying "why?" when Guidetti was trying to get the ball off him. Guidetti wanted to score for himself and had a bigger role to play in the embarrassing scenes than Forrest. But still. It was Forrest's fault.
Why? eff knows wee man. eff knows.
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I'd rather have a Celtic player take it and miss than a loanee who's whoring himself round his previous clubs try to take it for personal glory. Guidetti ended up unsettling Forrest.

Guidetti's taken 2 penalties for Celtic, same as Forrest had before yesterday. Both Guidetti's were in routs, a 6-0 league win where it was for his hat-trick and a 4-0 cup game against lower league opposition.

One of Forrest's was under immense pressure in the Champions League.

In the game of Rock, Paper, Guidetti, Forrest then Forrest trumps Guidetti every time for me.
this about sums it up for me !! :)
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For all the moaners on here absolutely gagging to have a go about Forrest & the penalty. Deila already cleared it up. Our designated takers were Commons & Griffiths. Neither was on the pitch. Instead of blaming the guy with the ball how about the guy kicking up a stink so he could get a shot? Said this yesterday. You could lip read Forrest saying "why?" when Guidetti was trying to get the ball off him. Guidetti wanted to score for himself and had a bigger role to play in the embarrassing scenes than Forrest. But still. It was Forrest's fault.
Why? eff knows wee man. eff knows.
The manager is to blame then.
Surely with Commons and Griffiths off the park it would be up to Broony to designate the penalty taker?
No. It should be worked out beforehand.

This has gone on for years, Maloney v Lynch, McDonald in the game against the huns. It's amateurish.

I would also have been very surprised if Griffiths was one of our designated penalty takers after his poor effort last week.
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I would also have been very surprised if Griffiths was one of our designated penalty takers after his poor effort last week.
That's another pet peeve of mine.

That Yer no longer penalty kick taker as soon as you miss one.

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I would also have been very surprised if Griffiths was one of our designated penalty takers after his poor effort last week.
That's another pet peeve of mine.

That Yer no longer penalty kick taker as soon as you miss one.

I think if you have a long history of successful spot kicks then missing one isn't a problem.

We always seem to take a "whoever feels confident" attitude to penalties rather than it actually being something we plan in advance.
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I would also have been very surprised if Griffiths was one of our designated penalty takers after his poor effort last week.
That's another pet peeve of mine.

That Yer no longer penalty kick taker as soon as you miss one.

I think if you have a long history of successful spot kicks then missing one isn't a problem.

We always seem to take a "whoever feels confident" attitude to penalties rather than it actually being something we plan in advance.
Yep. It's pretty crap.

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For all the moaners on here absolutely gagging to have a go about Forrest & the penalty. Deila already cleared it up. Our designated takers were Commons & Griffiths. Neither was on the pitch. Instead of blaming the guy with the ball how about the guy kicking up a stink so he could get a shot? Said this yesterday. You could lip read Forrest saying "why?" when Guidetti was trying to get the ball off him. Guidetti wanted to score for himself and had a bigger role to play in the embarrassing scenes than Forrest. But still. It was Forrest's fault.
Why? eff knows wee man. eff knows.
The manager is to blame then.
Next to Brown on the park Johansen is Deila's main man - He seemed to be wanting the ball indicating Guidetti was to take it which watching it was my take given that Griffiths and Commons were no longer on the park.

Whatever it was all amateurish to watch and if hasn't been sorted before they take to the pitch Deila is to blame - If they were disregarding his instructions (on the assumption they were in fact given) then the players involved need their arses kicked and you would wonder why Brown never stepped in to sort it out.

If it had been 0-0 and that had happened with Forrest's subsequent joke miss and we had eventually lost the Final the amateurishness of it would be more getting questioned to say the least.

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