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James Forrest; he's awright so he is.
Topic Started: 26 Feb 2015, 09:19 PM (518,060 Views)
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepBecause the muscle region near the scar tissue is subjected to higher strain, re-injuries mostly occur near the site of prior injury. The neuromuscular inhibition is probably a protective mechanism to reduce the risk of re-injury. As a result of the inhibition the majority of athletes return to sport with atrophy, strength deficits and a shifted peak torque towards shorter muscle lengths..

Prevention and Rehabilitation of Hamstring Injuries - Bram Swinnen

Statistical analysis of the kinematic data indicated the following significant (P > 0.05) changes in the subjects’ running action: decreased hip and knee flexion at maximum knee extension in the swing phasemof the sprint cycle, decreased leg angular velocity immediately before foot-ground contact (FGC), and decreased angular displacement of the trunk, thigh, and leg segments during the late swing phase

Department of Biomedical Science - University of Wollongong

They concluded that sprinters with a history of previous injury had significantly tighter hamstrings...A further possible cause for recurrence includes alteration to normal biomechanics. The resulting scar tissue has a reduced tensile strength and is therefore more susceptible to strain injury. The scar is also stiffer than normal tissue and therefore causes reduced range of motion. Furthermore, with a prior injury there is also a loss of strength in other muscle groups due to disuse.

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I'm out now. Can't be arsed with all this. You like Forrest and think he'll regain his speed and fitness if he gets a run of games, I don't.

I know why I believe what I believe have been saying it for over a year and have given my reasons. Believe what you like, we'll see how it works out. But I'm done with this subject now, I'm exasperated.
Been saying for ages that his problems are most likely postural.
I remember reading a good while back about him driving to and from training from Ayrshire every day maybe having some affect on his posture. Moving to the Glasgow area doesn't seem to have made any notable difference.
Posture is a funny one, and while in many ways can work towards correcting it I think there is far more going on
than just a hip dysfunction or a natural curve of the spine.

Posture is also related to mood and social factors, which is why you get shy people often have shoulders curved in
or their head stooped a wee bit. All of these things over time will cause and imbalance which can then be exacerbated
with any high intensity movements.

Not saying that Forrest is a big Jessie as I don't know the kid, but if his issues are postural it may not be so simple in
working through them.
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Gonga
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Gonga
6 Mar 2015, 12:42 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepBecause the muscle region near the scar tissue is subjected to higher strain, re-injuries mostly occur near the site of prior injury. The neuromuscular inhibition is probably a protective mechanism to reduce the risk of re-injury. As a result of the inhibition the majority of athletes return to sport with atrophy, strength deficits and a shifted peak torque towards shorter muscle lengths..

Prevention and Rehabilitation of Hamstring Injuries - Bram Swinnen

Statistical analysis of the kinematic data indicated the following significant (P > 0.05) changes in the subjects’ running action: decreased hip and knee flexion at maximum knee extension in the swing phasemof the sprint cycle, decreased leg angular velocity immediately before foot-ground contact (FGC), and decreased angular displacement of the trunk, thigh, and leg segments during the late swing phase

Department of Biomedical Science - University of Wollongong

They concluded that sprinters with a history of previous injury had significantly tighter hamstrings...A further possible cause for recurrence includes alteration to normal biomechanics. The resulting scar tissue has a reduced tensile strength and is therefore more susceptible to strain injury. The scar is also stiffer than normal tissue and therefore causes reduced range of motion. Furthermore, with a prior injury there is also a loss of strength in other muscle groups due to disuse.
I remember reading a good while back about him driving to and from training from Ayrshire every day maybe having some affect on his posture. Moving to the Glasgow area doesn't seem to have made any notable difference.
Posture is a funny one, and while in many ways can work towards correcting it I think there is far more going on
than just a hip dysfunction or a natural curve of the spine.

Posture is also related to mood and social factors, which is why you get shy people often have shoulders curved in
or their head stooped a wee bit. All of these things over time will cause and imbalance which can then be exacerbated
with any high intensity movements.

Not saying that Forrest is a big Jessie as I don't know the kid, but if his issues are postural it may not be so simple in
working through them.
Not sure what you mean by 'big jessie' but he doesn't lack confidence from what I know of him.
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Ronny insists Forrest isn't for the glue factory just yet and asks for patience.Good luck with that..



RONNY Deila has urged Celtic fans to lay off James Forrest – because the winger will be back to his brilliant best next season.

The 23-year-old took stick when he failed to shine after coming off the bench in the midweek loss to St Johnstone.

After bursting on to the scene at Parkhead five years ago, Forrest’s career has stalled in the last few seasons due to a series of injuries.

He has started just nine games since Deila took over from Neil Lennon last year but the Hoops boss is preaching patience as he tries to nurture a “special” talent.

The Celtic coaching staff have devised a personal training regime to stop him from breaking down again and Deila is confident Forrest will hit top gear next term.

But he insists the winger can still play a part this season as the Hoops chase a Treble in the Norwegian’s debut season in the Parkhead dugout.

Next up is a Scottish Cup quarter-final with Dundee United today and Forrest could start at Tannadice with new arrivals Gary Mackay-Steven and Stuart Armstrong both cup-tied.

Helping Celts march on could put him back in favour with the Celtic support and Deila hopes the punters realise it will take time before he’s
terrorising full-backs again.

Deila said: “James hasn’t pulled a muscle now in five months and that’s a big step forward for him. He has been unlucky and needs time to get back to his highest level.

“I have a long-term plan with James because his history is not good. In fact, it’s very bad injury-wise. But he’s in a better place now. I’m thinking, next season he’ll be on top again.

“However, James can still make an impact in this campaign as well. I can understand the fans’ frustration with him. On that pitch you have to perform, that’s the demands of Celtic.

“But we have to look longer term and see what’s happening in the background. We know there is special potential there. That’s why we’ve been working differently in his training and treatment.

“It’s also a mental thing where sometimes you’re afraid to get hurt. James needs training and more matches to get back to his best form.”

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8 Mar 2015, 11:40 AM
Ronny insists Forrest isn't for the glue factory just yet and asks for patience.Good luck with that..



RONNY Deila has urged Celtic fans to lay off James Forrest – because the winger will be back to his brilliant best next season.

The 23-year-old took stick when he failed to shine after coming off the bench in the midweek loss to St Johnstone.

After bursting on to the scene at Parkhead five years ago, Forrest’s career has stalled in the last few seasons due to a series of injuries.

He has started just nine games since Deila took over from Neil Lennon last year but the Hoops boss is preaching patience as he tries to nurture a “special” talent.

The Celtic coaching staff have devised a personal training regime to stop him from breaking down again and Deila is confident Forrest will hit top gear next term.

But he insists the winger can still play a part this season as the Hoops chase a Treble in the Norwegian’s debut season in the Parkhead dugout.

Next up is a Scottish Cup quarter-final with Dundee United today and Forrest could start at Tannadice with new arrivals Gary Mackay-Steven and Stuart Armstrong both cup-tied.

Helping Celts march on could put him back in favour with the Celtic support and Deila hopes the punters realise it will take time before he’s
terrorising full-backs again.

Deila said: “James hasn’t pulled a muscle now in five months and that’s a big step forward for him. He has been unlucky and needs time to get back to his highest level.

“I have a long-term plan with James because his history is not good. In fact, it’s very bad injury-wise. But he’s in a better place now. I’m thinking, next season he’ll be on top again.

“However, James can still make an impact in this campaign as well. I can understand the fans’ frustration with him. On that pitch you have to perform, that’s the demands of Celtic.

“But we have to look longer term and see what’s happening in the background. We know there is special potential there. That’s why we’ve been working differently in his training and treatment.

“It’s also a mental thing where sometimes you’re afraid to get hurt. James needs training and more matches to get back to his best form.”

All sensible from Deila.

I rate Forrest highly. I am also very frustrated by his injury record and the inconsistency of his form.

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Very encouraging signs from Deila, both in that he recognises Forrest is a talent and that he is not prepared to ditch him yet, unlike so many half wits the other night at Celtic Park.
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I suppose this suggests giving him 1/2 an hour or so for a while, maybe better to bring him on as an impact sub - rather starting him?
Interesting that Ronny hints towards the mental problems, like WGS did with Maloney.
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I suppose this suggests giving him 1/2 an hour or so for a while, maybe better to bring him on as an impact sub - rather starting him?
Interesting that Ronny hints towards the mental problems, like WGS did with Maloney.
Possibly, someone made a decent point the other day though, Forrest may be better suited to playing away games just now as he will get far more backing from the support.
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8 Mar 2015, 12:38 PM
I suppose this suggests giving him 1/2 an hour or so for a while, maybe better to bring him on as an impact sub - rather starting him?
Interesting that Ronny hints towards the mental problems, like WGS did with Maloney.
Possibly, someone made a decent point the other day though, Forrest may be better suited to playing away games just now as he will get far more backing from the support.
Which could be applied to any Celtic player.
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I suppose this suggests giving him 1/2 an hour or so for a while, maybe better to bring him on as an impact sub - rather starting him?
Interesting that Ronny hints towards the mental problems, like WGS did with Maloney.
Possibly, someone made a decent point the other day though, Forrest may be better suited to playing away games just now as he will get far more backing from the support.
I think that if he works hard & shows a good attitude, it would go a long way towards getting more backing from the support.
The mental aspect Ronny hints at is very interesting, maybe he's just not strong in that area & needs a lot of help - the thing is, Ronny also quite rightly puts the emphasis onto the player by saying "I can understand the fans’ frustration with him. On that pitch you have to perform, that’s the demands of Celtic."
He, like everyone else will have to earn the right to play by working hard on what he's told he needs to work on. Sounds like the Club are trying their best with him with individual training programmes etc. Now it's up to him.
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I suppose this suggests giving him 1/2 an hour or so for a while, maybe better to bring him on as an impact sub - rather starting him?
Interesting that Ronny hints towards the mental problems, like WGS did with Maloney.
Possibly, someone made a decent point the other day though, Forrest may be better suited to playing away games just now as he will get far more backing from the support.
He's a professional footballer getting paid thousands of pounds a week to do his job.

If he can't perform competently because someone's shouting a bit of abuse at him then he should be ditched.

Definitely a bit of the Kayals about Forrest, starting to turn into an 'ah, but next year...' with him.
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I suppose this suggests giving him 1/2 an hour or so for a while, maybe better to bring him on as an impact sub - rather starting him?
Interesting that Ronny hints towards the mental problems, like WGS did with Maloney.
Possibly, someone made a decent point the other day though, Forrest may be better suited to playing away games just now as he will get far more backing from the support.
He's a professional footballer getting paid thousands of pounds a week to do his job.

If he can't perform competently because someone's shouting a bit of abuse at him then he should be ditched.

Definitely a bit of the Kayals about Forrest, starting to turn into an 'ah, but next year...' with him.
So, as a professional, if I am getting constant criticism (in the form of people booing me), it shouldn't affect my performance because I am a professional?

That's just nonsense. It's like the suggestion that players get paid enough to take it.

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8 Mar 2015, 12:38 PM
I suppose this suggests giving him 1/2 an hour or so for a while, maybe better to bring him on as an impact sub - rather starting him?
Interesting that Ronny hints towards the mental problems, like WGS did with Maloney.
Possibly, someone made a decent point the other day though, Forrest may be better suited to playing away games just now as he will get far more backing from the support.
He's a professional footballer getting paid thousands of pounds a week to do his job.

If he can't perform competently because someone's shouting a bit of abuse at him then he should be ditched.

Definitely a bit of the Kayals about Forrest, starting to turn into an 'ah, but next year...' with him.
Wednesday night was terrible, as soon as he touched the ball there were thousands screaming abuse at him. It was as bad as I've ever heard Celtic Park reacting to one of our own players.

That has to affect a player, professional or not.
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All getting way too analytical for me.

RD just feels he needs time and a change of tactic given his previous recurring injuries and appreciates it may take him some time to get back to full fitness.
Meanwhile it would be better if people gave him a break rather than expect too much in a short space of time, he needs a bit of support, something in short supply.
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All getting way too analytical for me.

RD just feels he needs time and a change of tactic given his previous recurring injuries and appreciates it may take him some time to get back to full fitness.
Meanwhile it would be better if people gave him a break rather than expect too much in a short space of time, he needs a bit of support, something in short supply.
Phew
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All getting way too analytical for me.

RD just feels he needs time and a change of tactic given his previous recurring injuries and appreciates it may take him some time to get back to full fitness.
Meanwhile it would be better if people gave him a break rather than expect too much in a short space of time, he needs a bit of support, something in short supply.
Phew
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The guy is clearly bereft of confidence at a time when his position is quickly and deservedly becoming someone else's. Unlike Stokes I think there's still hope for Forrest and he's got a great chance to prove himself today.
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Plays today.
Oh well, up to him to prove he still has something to give in a Celtic jersey.
I genuinely want him to do well today - but I have my doubts.
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Sounds to me like the management team (including the medical staff) are clear about what it's going to take to get Forrest healthy.
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My favourite thing about him at the moment is the way Ronny says Jamesy.
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