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James Forrest; he's awright so he is.
Topic Started: 26 Feb 2015, 09:19 PM (517,827 Views)
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Armstrong. Badly managed last year well managed this year and we can all see the difference.
He's also being played in a more natural position. I was one of the few who always defended Armstrong and actually thought he'd played well while others were writing him off. Apt, I guess, given the thread and current discussion :thumbsup:

No doubt that the difference is night and day btw and BR is a huge part of that but again there's more to it than just the manager.

Deila was a dud yet Brown put in his best ever season (until now) under him. Rogic, Griffiths and KT came on leaps and bounds. Blaming him for everything is just lazy and a cop out.
I'm not blaming him for everything I'm saying he was unable to manage a player or 2 properly. It happens. It's not a cop out either as we can see a marked difference in these players due to them being managed properly. Some players need an arm around them and a word of encouragement and patience, maybe Ronny wasn't able to see that.
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There's no point mate. It was all justified criticism. When he deserved praise, McStay was happy to give it out. Just like he was with Brown.
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Towards the end of last season I genuinely thought I had been flogging a dead horse for too long.


Why would you think that if criticism wasn't justified? :ponder:
Was waiting on that one being pulled up. Keep going, there are literally dozens of posts of me defending Forrest going back about 5 years.
There is justified criticism, then there is your criticism, which tends to be hysterical and nonsensical with little basis in reality.
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I still am ;)

It's nonsense to blame poor management (presumably Deila?) when not only had he been regressing under Lennon too but plenty of his teammates improved under the same management team.

Much like he deserves credit for his turnaround in form it's also him that deserves criticism for his poor and inconsistent form previously.

FWIW I'm not arguing that managers don't have big impact on players' form as Rodgers impact on JF and plenty others is noticeable but that it's a total cop out to exclusively blame that.
Armstrong. Badly managed last year well managed this year and we can all see the difference.
Yet he had a cracking first half season for us.
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In fact you repeatedly argued against blaming the manager for his poor performance


I still am ;)

It's nonsense to blame poor management (presumably Deila?) when not only had he been regressing under Lennon too but plenty of his teammates improved under the same management team.

Much like he deserves credit for his turnaround in form it's also him that deserves criticism for his poor and inconsistent form previously.

FWIW I'm not arguing that managers don't have big impact on players' form as Rodgers impact on JF and plenty others is noticeable but that it's a total cop out to exclusively blame that.
Selective quoting there, ignoring all the pish you wrote about Forrest a few months back :thumbsup:
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I'm perhaps confusing the issue, I don't necessarily mean lately and maybe it's just the frustration from reading the Griffiths thread :twitch: but it feels as though we're reluctant to give anyone credit.

Not going to sit and go through the whole thread looking for examples but certainly as recently as into the first month or two of the season we had people still writing the guy off, the comment about him having to do it for back to back seasons just annoyed me, he's proven he's an asset even at the highest level, yes he has to be consistent but I think to want him to do it over back to back seasons to prove it is excessive.
Where is this back to back seasons consistency post? Is it my POTY comment you are referring to because that's different from consistency which you then refer to. I state the difference in my original point.

As for setting challenges, that's what life is all about as far as I'm concerned. He should be challenging himself and be prompted by the back room staff also, every day.
You say you want him to have 'back to back productive seasons before any garlands are bestowed', I'm paraphrasing, not typing out word for word.

That gives the impression that before you declare him good he has to be good this season and next, I don't think you state anything other than giving the impression you're still not impressed and he needs to do it again next season.

Forrest has shown he's good enough plenty of times, now this season he's taken it to another level and is clearly one of our best players, I'd put him top three, top five at worst but when you consider some of his competition it's pretty good going.

Your post gave me the impression of 'he's been good this season but I'm still not convinced'.
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Wasn't in the game much tonight.
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Played well tonight, looking forward to seeing him destroy whoever they deploy at left back on Saturday.
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A few nice moments tonight and put in a solid shift.

I've got a feeling he'll run riot on Saturday.
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Yes, he was...he always had the ability but rarely showed it...2 or 3 good games a season is dreadful considering what he's showing now....I wanted him sold...now I'm happy every time he's on the pitch, so yes, I consider the last few seasons dreadful by comparison
Outstanding or dreadful, got it.
This! :lol:
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A few nice moments tonight and put in a solid shift.

I've got a feeling he'll run riot on Saturday.
Simply has to play on Saturday. Works harder and offers more for the team than the alternative and is showing a real incredible burst of pace and power when he's on the ball.
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A few nice moments tonight and put in a solid shift.

I've got a feeling he'll run riot on Saturday.
I've got that feeling too :rocker:
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I am not a fan of his but he has been much better this season than the previous four. I thought he was poor yesterday though. Not involved for most of the first half and ineffective when he did get himself into the game. Roberts did much more in the time he was on as his replacement.
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I am not a fan of his but he has been much better this season than the previous four. I thought he was poor yesterday though. Not involved for most of the first half and ineffective when he did get himself into the game. Roberts did much more in the time he was on as his replacement.
You have to remember though that it much easier to come on and make an impact when someone else has already done the leg work. Defenders are tired and the game is stretched - not really fair to compare the two.
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I am not a fan of his but he has been much better this season than the previous four. I thought he was poor yesterday though. Not involved for most of the first half and ineffective when he did get himself into the game. Roberts did much more in the time he was on as his replacement.
You have to remember though that it much easier to come on and make an impact when someone else has already done the leg work. Defenders are tired and the game is stretched - not really fair to compare the two.
I take your point, and agree with it. However, I thought Forrest was conspicuous in his anonymity during the first half yesterday. Like every player he is entitled to a bad game from time to time but it's unfortunate he had a poor one (imho) in such a high profile fixture.
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I am not a fan of his but he has been much better this season than the previous four. I thought he was poor yesterday though. Not involved for most of the first half and ineffective when he did get himself into the game. Roberts did much more in the time he was on as his replacement.
You have to remember though that it much easier to come on and make an impact when someone else has already done the leg work. Defenders are tired and the game is stretched - not really fair to compare the two.
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I am not a fan of his but he has been much better this season than the previous four. I thought he was poor yesterday though. Not involved for most of the first half and ineffective when he did get himself into the game. Roberts did much more in the time he was on as his replacement.
You have to remember though that it much easier to come on and make an impact when someone else has already done the leg work. Defenders are tired and the game is stretched - not really fair to compare the two.
Of the two players James puts in a shift in attack and defence. Paddy is attack and doesn't offer much protection.i like them both but agree James had done the leg work yesterday. That is why Brendan picks him ahead of Paddy. A bit like Griff and Dembele it's a first class problem for the manager deciding who to play.
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I am not a fan of his but he has been much better this season than the previous four. I thought he was poor yesterday though. Not involved for most of the first half and ineffective when he did get himself into the game. Roberts did much more in the time he was on as his replacement.
You have to remember though that it much easier to come on and make an impact when someone else has already done the leg work. Defenders are tired and the game is stretched - not really fair to compare the two.
I take your point, and agree with it. However, I thought Forrest was conspicuous in his anonymity during the first half yesterday. Like every player he is entitled to a bad game from time to time but it's unfortunate he had a poor one (imho) in such a high profile fixture.
1st half we rarely went down Forrest' wing so you can hardly blame him for being ineffective when he saw little of the ball.
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I take your point, and agree with it. However, I thought Forrest was conspicuous in his anonymity during the first half yesterday. Like every player he is entitled to a bad game from time to time but it's unfortunate he had a poor one (imho) in such a high profile fixture.
1st half we rarely went down Forrest' wing so you can hardly blame him for being ineffective when he saw little of the ball.
Aye, everything good we did in the first half came from Sinclair on the left.

Forrest was better in the 2nd half and got past his man on a number of occasions, it was Forrest that put the one on the plate only for Dembele to miss it completely.

Roberts was excellent when he came on though, a real breath of fresh air and the huns had no answer for him. I'd still like us to ask the question of Man City.
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1st half we rarely went down Forrest' wing so you can hardly blame him for being ineffective when he saw little of the ball.
Aye, everything good we did in the first half came from Sinclair on the left.

Forrest was better in the 2nd half and got past his man on a number of occasions, it was Forrest that put the one on the plate only for Dembele to miss it completely.

Roberts was excellent when he came on though, a real breath of fresh air and the huns had no answer for him. I'd still like us to ask the question of Man City.
Was that no Lustig?
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Aye, everything good we did in the first half came from Sinclair on the left.

Forrest was better in the 2nd half and got past his man on a number of occasions, it was Forrest that put the one on the plate only for Dembele to miss it completely.

Roberts was excellent when he came on though, a real breath of fresh air and the huns had no answer for him. I'd still like us to ask the question of Man City.
Was that no Lustig?
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Was it ? Forrest was definitely involved in that move, need to go and watch it again, which I was planning on doing tonight anyway after the kids are in bed.

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