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James Forrest; he's awright so he is.
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28 Dec 2016, 02:10 PM
We have people on here continually shifting the goalposts where Forrest is concerned; first of all he's a waste of a jersey, then he has a good game and they want to see it more consistently, then he has a run of good form for a month but they want it for a whole season, then he looks capable of doing it for the whole season (injuries permitting) and they want back to back seasons.

The guy has been a revelation this season, keeping Roberts out of the team, albeit the latter looks to have regressed because of it, and I'm glad we held onto him. There were frustrating times with him, no doubt, now he's one of the first names on our team sheet and well worthy of it.
Who's talking about any of that? Back to back seasons, wtf? That's a really random outburst of nonsense.
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We have people on here continually shifting the goalposts where Forrest is concerned; first of all he's a waste of a jersey, then he has a good game and they want to see it more consistently, then he has a run of good form for a month but they want it for a whole season, then he looks capable of doing it for the whole season (injuries permitting) and they want back to back seasons.

The guy has been a revelation this season, keeping Roberts out of the team, albeit the latter looks to have regressed because of it, and I'm glad we held onto him. There were frustrating times with him, no doubt, now he's one of the first names on our team sheet and well worthy of it.
Different people have different expectations, lumping everyone together for the sake of a point maybe?

The shifting goalposts comment doesn't make sense to me. What does that mean in the context of you debating several, varying opinions?
It means that people just won't give Forrest his due, he's been excellent for spells under Lennon, Deila and consistently under Rodgers. Even then we still have people lining up to detract from it, it's as if they've decided he's not good enough and then when he proves them wrong they change their tact to suit their point.

Hence my example given of the shifting emphasis in my original point.

He's already proved this season, and in others, that he's a threat at any level, it's more than some of our players can say yet there are people who want to continually write him off or set him another challenge, some, I don't mean you here but others, just to see him fail and they can tell us and others that they were right all along.
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28 Dec 2016, 02:10 PM
We have people on here continually shifting the goalposts where Forrest is concerned; first of all he's a waste of a jersey, then he has a good game and they want to see it more consistently, then he has a run of good form for a month but they want it for a whole season, then he looks capable of doing it for the whole season (injuries permitting) and they want back to back seasons.

The guy has been a revelation this season, keeping Roberts out of the team, albeit the latter looks to have regressed because of it, and I'm glad we held onto him. There were frustrating times with him, no doubt, now he's one of the first names on our team sheet and well worthy of it.
Different people have different expectations, lumping everyone together for the sake of a point maybe?

The shifting goalposts comment doesn't make sense to me. What does that mean in the context of you debating several, varying opinions?
If it's the same people that are changing the criteria, then it makes sense. If not, it doesn't.
That's why I asked, I think morpheus is the only one who can answer.
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We have people on here continually shifting the goalposts where Forrest is concerned; first of all he's a waste of a jersey, then he has a good game and they want to see it more consistently, then he has a run of good form for a month but they want it for a whole season, then he looks capable of doing it for the whole season (injuries permitting) and they want back to back seasons.

The guy has been a revelation this season, keeping Roberts out of the team, albeit the latter looks to have regressed because of it, and I'm glad we held onto him. There were frustrating times with him, no doubt, now he's one of the first names on our team sheet and well worthy of it.
Who's talking about any of that? Back to back seasons, wtf? That's a really random outburst of nonsense.
It wasn't me that started with back to back seasons, it was the poster I quoted. I was using it as a ridiculous example, not really sure what point you are so aggressively trying to make.
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28 Dec 2016, 02:10 PM
We have people on here continually shifting the goalposts where Forrest is concerned; first of all he's a waste of a jersey, then he has a good game and they want to see it more consistently, then he has a run of good form for a month but they want it for a whole season, then he looks capable of doing it for the whole season (injuries permitting) and they want back to back seasons.

The guy has been a revelation this season, keeping Roberts out of the team, albeit the latter looks to have regressed because of it, and I'm glad we held onto him. There were frustrating times with him, no doubt, now he's one of the first names on our team sheet and well worthy of it.
Different people have different expectations, lumping everyone together for the sake of a point maybe?

The shifting goalposts comment doesn't make sense to me. What does that mean in the context of you debating several, varying opinions?
It means that people just won't give Forrest his due, he's been excellent for spells under Lennon, Deila and consistently under Rodgers. Even then we still have people lining up to detract from it, it's as if they've decided he's not good enough and then when he proves them wrong they change their tact to suit their point.

Hence my example given of the shifting emphasis in my original point.

He's already proved this season, and in others, that he's a threat at any level, it's more than some of our players can say yet there are people who want to continually write him off or set him another challenge, some, I don't mean you here but others, just to see him fail and they can tell us and others that they were right all along.
I haven't seen any of this :ponder: 99% of the posters on here have been giving him the enormous credit he's due.

As for your last point, the only person I've seen do that is Remy telling everyone we were "fannies" for ever doubting Forrest.
Edited by McStay, 28 Dec 2016, 02:23 PM.
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We have people on here continually shifting the goalposts where Forrest is concerned; first of all he's a waste of a jersey, then he has a good game and they want to see it more consistently, then he has a run of good form for a month but they want it for a whole season, then he looks capable of doing it for the whole season (injuries permitting) and they want back to back seasons.

The guy has been a revelation this season, keeping Roberts out of the team, albeit the latter looks to have regressed because of it, and I'm glad we held onto him. There were frustrating times with him, no doubt, now he's one of the first names on our team sheet and well worthy of it.
Different people have different expectations, lumping everyone together for the sake of a point maybe?

The shifting goalposts comment doesn't make sense to me. What does that mean in the context of you debating several, varying opinions?
It means that people just won't give Forrest his due, he's been excellent for spells under Lennon, Deila and consistently under Rodgers. Even then we still have people lining up to detract from it, it's as if they've decided he's not good enough and then when he proves them wrong they change their tact to suit their point.

Hence my example given of the shifting emphasis in my original point.

He's already proved this season, and in others, that he's a threat at any level, it's more than some of our players can say yet there are people who want to continually write him off or set him another challenge, some, I don't mean you here but others, just to see him fail and they can tell us and others that they were right all along.
Fair play, I know we both value the hard work he's been putting in, an integral part of our season thus far :thumbsup:

If he does play out his skin until May and deserves poty then it's hard to argue against it of course, I'd just be scared of a flash in the pan effect ..but with BR working with him the hope is James will continue to demonstrate the ability we all know is there.
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In the same way that he deserves recognition and praise for his form this season, he deserved the vast majority of critism he was receiving prior. He was dreadful for a number of a seasons.
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It means that people just won't give Forrest his due, he's been excellent for spells under Lennon, Deila and consistently under Rodgers. Even then we still have people lining up to detract from it, it's as if they've decided he's not good enough and then when he proves them wrong they change their tact to suit their point.

Hence my example given of the shifting emphasis in my original point.

He's already proved this season, and in others, that he's a threat at any level, it's more than some of our players can say yet there are people who want to continually write him off or set him another challenge, some, I don't mean you here but others, just to see him fail and they can tell us and others that they were right all along.
I haven't seen any of this :ponder: 99% of the posters on here have been giving him the enormous credit he's due.

As for your last point, the only person I've seen do that is Remy telling everyone we were "fannies" for ever doubting Forrest.
I'm perhaps confusing the issue, I don't necessarily mean lately and maybe it's just the frustration from reading the Griffiths thread :twitch: but it feels as though we're reluctant to give anyone credit.

Not going to sit and go through the whole thread looking for examples but certainly as recently as into the first month or two of the season we had people still writing the guy off, the comment about him having to do it for back to back seasons just annoyed me, he's proven he's an asset even at the highest level, yes he has to be consistent but I think to want him to do it over back to back seasons to prove it is excessive.
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I haven't seen any of this :ponder: 99% of the posters on here have been giving him the enormous credit he's due.

As for your last point, the only person I've seen do that is Remy telling everyone we were "fannies" for ever doubting Forrest.
I'm perhaps confusing the issue, I don't necessarily mean lately and maybe it's just the frustration from reading the Griffiths thread :twitch: but it feels as though we're reluctant to give anyone credit.

Not going to sit and go through the whole thread looking for examples but certainly as recently as into the first month or two of the season we had people still writing the guy off, the comment about him having to do it for back to back seasons just annoyed me, he's proven he's an asset even at the highest level, yes he has to be consistent but I think to want him to do it over back to back seasons to prove it is excessive.
I'd completely written him off and he really annoyed at times tbh, looked like a waste of talent, I'd have happily seen him leave. This season he's proven me wrong and then some, it's the best I've seen him play and even in games where he's not played well he's still chipped in with goals and assists.

He's got a lot of praise this season.
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I haven't seen any of this :ponder: 99% of the posters on here have been giving him the enormous credit he's due.

As for your last point, the only person I've seen do that is Remy telling everyone we were "fannies" for ever doubting Forrest.
I'm perhaps confusing the issue, I don't necessarily mean lately and maybe it's just the frustration from reading the Griffiths thread :twitch: but it feels as though we're reluctant to give anyone credit.

Not going to sit and go through the whole thread looking for examples but certainly as recently as into the first month or two of the season we had people still writing the guy off, the comment about him having to do it for back to back seasons just annoyed me, he's proven he's an asset even at the highest level, yes he has to be consistent but I think to want him to do it over back to back seasons to prove it is excessive.
The Moussassin/Griffelo debate has been ridiculous at times, some of the least witty and monotonous point scoring I've witnessed here.
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We have people on here continually shifting the goalposts where Forrest is concerned; first of all he's a waste of a jersey, then he has a good game and they want to see it more consistently, then he has a run of good form for a month but they want it for a whole season, then he looks capable of doing it for the whole season (injuries permitting) and they want back to back seasons.

The guy has been a revelation this season, keeping Roberts out of the team, albeit the latter looks to have regressed because of it, and I'm glad we held onto him. There were frustrating times with him, no doubt, now he's one of the first names on our team sheet and well worthy of it.
I actually think Roberts has been pretty decent in his last few games (I won't count Hamilton on the account of how pish the conditions were).

I'd hope Paddy starts on Saturday. I think he's earned that right, with Forrest to come on after 60 - 70 min mark to inflict some more pain.
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I haven't seen any of this :ponder: 99% of the posters on here have been giving him the enormous credit he's due.

As for your last point, the only person I've seen do that is Remy telling everyone we were "fannies" for ever doubting Forrest.
I'm perhaps confusing the issue, I don't necessarily mean lately and maybe it's just the frustration from reading the Griffiths thread :twitch: but it feels as though we're reluctant to give anyone credit.

Not going to sit and go through the whole thread looking for examples but certainly as recently as into the first month or two of the season we had people still writing the guy off, the comment about him having to do it for back to back seasons just annoyed me, he's proven he's an asset even at the highest level, yes he has to be consistent but I think to want him to do it over back to back seasons to prove it is excessive.
Where is this back to back seasons consistency post? Is it my POTY comment you are referring to because that's different from consistency which you then refer to. I state the difference in my original point.

As for setting challenges, that's what life is all about as far as I'm concerned. He should be challenging himself and be prompted by the back room staff also, every day.
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We have people on here continually shifting the goalposts where Forrest is concerned; first of all he's a waste of a jersey, then he has a good game and they want to see it more consistently, then he has a run of good form for a month but they want it for a whole season, then he looks capable of doing it for the whole season (injuries permitting) and they want back to back seasons.

The guy has been a revelation this season, keeping Roberts out of the team, albeit the latter looks to have regressed because of it, and I'm glad we held onto him. There were frustrating times with him, no doubt, now he's one of the first names on our team sheet and well worthy of it.
Who's talking about any of that? Back to back seasons, wtf? That's a really random outburst of nonsense.
I think we need to see this post :lol:

The goalposts have been shifted alright.
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Hes a first choice player now and rightly so. Should be in the team before Roberts when both are fit, If Id heard myself saying this at the start of the season I would've thought I was nuts mind you. Been superb this season
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I wouldn't start him tonight but give him a good 20mins or so

Start him on Saturday
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In the same way that he deserves recognition and praise for his form this season, he deserved the vast majority of critism he was receiving prior. He was dreadful for a number of a seasons.
This :thumbsup:
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In the same way that he deserves recognition and praise for his form this season, he deserved the vast majority of critism he was receiving prior. He was dreadful for a number of a seasons.
This :thumbsup:
This nothing. He wasn't 'dreadful' for a number of seasons, that's just utter nonsense.
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In the same way that he deserves recognition and praise for his form this season, he deserved the vast majority of critism he was receiving prior. He was dreadful for a number of a seasons.
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This nothing. He wasn't 'dreadful' for a number of seasons, that's just utter nonsense.
Badly managed more like.
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What a turnaround. He is now back to that dangerous player he first looked like.

He is delighted when we score and that bit of skill against the 3 Man City defenders was outstanding.

My favourite player this year.
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This nothing. He wasn't 'dreadful' for a number of seasons, that's just utter nonsense.
Badly managed more like.
He was one of the most frustrating players to watch and drove us nuts...I'am glad he's having a good season but he came very close to being punted.
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