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James Forrest; he's awright so he is.
Topic Started: 26 Feb 2015, 09:19 PM (518,061 Views)
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Only a decent haircut can save you now James.
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Only a decent haircut can save you now James.
Can you get prosthetic necks?
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Was frustrated with Forrest last night. He kept cutting in instead of ever going down the line and having a go at his man!!

The Reaction from our fans was disgusting tho IMO. It was the only time our fans made any noise the whole night. As soon as he got on the ball they were on his back!

Who seriously thinks that helps anyone other than the opposition?

Not defending his performance, it was poor and he made wrong decisions but our fans have to be a bit more intelligent than what they were last night.
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Only a decent haircut can save you now James.
Can you get prosthetic necks?
Or patter implants?
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Only a decent haircut can save you now James.
Can you get prosthetic necks?
Or patter implants?
Oooooh, touchy :lol:
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paulfg42
5 Mar 2015, 04:45 PM

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Yes
I've replied above. Can you supply any definitive article which suggests the scenario you've outlined for professional footballers or other athletes?
Because the muscle region near the scar tissue is subjected to higher strain, re-injuries mostly occur near the site of prior injury. The neuromuscular inhibition is probably a protective mechanism to reduce the risk of re-injury. As a result of the inhibition the majority of athletes return to sport with atrophy, strength deficits and a shifted peak torque towards shorter muscle lengths..

Prevention and Rehabilitation of Hamstring Injuries - Bram Swinnen

Statistical analysis of the kinematic data indicated the following significant (P > 0.05) changes in the subjects’ running action: decreased hip and knee flexion at maximum knee extension in the swing phasemof the sprint cycle, decreased leg angular velocity immediately before foot-ground contact (FGC), and decreased angular displacement of the trunk, thigh, and leg segments during the late swing phase

Department of Biomedical Science - University of Wollongong

They concluded that sprinters with a history of previous injury had significantly tighter hamstrings...A further possible cause for recurrence includes alteration to normal biomechanics. The resulting scar tissue has a reduced tensile strength and is therefore more susceptible to strain injury. The scar is also stiffer than normal tissue and therefore causes reduced range of motion. Furthermore, with a prior injury there is also a loss of strength in other muscle groups due to disuse.

Brisbane Orthopaedic and Sports Medicine Clinic

I'm out now. Can't be arsed with all this. You like Forrest and think he'll regain his speed and fitness if he gets a run of games, I don't.

I know why I believe what I believe have been saying it for over a year and have given my reasons. Believe what you like, we'll see how it works out. But I'm done with this subject now, I'm exasperated.
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Only a decent haircut can save you now James.
Can you get prosthetic necks?
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Can you get prosthetic necks?
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5 Mar 2015, 09:22 AM
Another Mark Burchill. Promised so much but, in reality, a bit of a one hit wonder. Destined for Aberdeen at best.

He has an unusual posture when running and this will inevitably lead to more and more injuries Sorry to say, but early retirement beckons.
Perhaps you can describe this unusual posture in detail and why it will lead to more injuries. What will the nature of these injuries be?
Perhaps you can also tell us what your expertise is in this area and why Celtic with all of their resources are not aware of it.
I mean why would they persist with him. Just asking like.
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5 Mar 2015, 09:22 AM
Another Mark Burchill. Promised so much but, in reality, a bit of a one hit wonder. Destined for Aberdeen at best.

He has an unusual posture when running and this will inevitably lead to more and more injuries Sorry to say, but early retirement beckons.
Perhaps you can describe this unusual posture in detail and why it will lead to more injuries. What will the nature of these injuries be?
Perhaps you can also tell us what your expertise is in this area and why Celtic with all of their resources are not aware of it.
I mean why would they persist with him. Just asking like.
Perhaps as a relative of Forrest you shouldn't read this thread. I'd suggest you're never going to enjoy reading it.
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Patrick_Bateman
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I've replied above. Can you supply any definitive article which suggests the scenario you've outlined for professional footballers or other athletes?
Because the muscle region near the scar tissue is subjected to higher strain, re-injuries mostly occur near the site of prior injury. The neuromuscular inhibition is probably a protective mechanism to reduce the risk of re-injury. As a result of the inhibition the majority of athletes return to sport with atrophy, strength deficits and a shifted peak torque towards shorter muscle lengths..

Prevention and Rehabilitation of Hamstring Injuries - Bram Swinnen

Statistical analysis of the kinematic data indicated the following significant (P > 0.05) changes in the subjects’ running action: decreased hip and knee flexion at maximum knee extension in the swing phasemof the sprint cycle, decreased leg angular velocity immediately before foot-ground contact (FGC), and decreased angular displacement of the trunk, thigh, and leg segments during the late swing phase

Department of Biomedical Science - University of Wollongong

They concluded that sprinters with a history of previous injury had significantly tighter hamstrings...A further possible cause for recurrence includes alteration to normal biomechanics. The resulting scar tissue has a reduced tensile strength and is therefore more susceptible to strain injury. The scar is also stiffer than normal tissue and therefore causes reduced range of motion. Furthermore, with a prior injury there is also a loss of strength in other muscle groups due to disuse.

Brisbane Orthopaedic and Sports Medicine Clinic

I'm out now. Can't be arsed with all this. You like Forrest and think he'll regain his speed and fitness if he gets a run of games, I don't.

I know why I believe what I believe have been saying it for over a year and have given my reasons. Believe what you like, we'll see how it works out. But I'm done with this subject now, I'm exasperated.
Interesting to note that other than the many fans who think he's pish we have scientific proof that he's probably going to be more pish.

I agree with you btw. :thumbsup:

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5 Mar 2015, 05:04 PM

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Because the muscle region near the scar tissue is subjected to higher strain, re-injuries mostly occur near the site of prior injury. The neuromuscular inhibition is probably a protective mechanism to reduce the risk of re-injury. As a result of the inhibition the majority of athletes return to sport with atrophy, strength deficits and a shifted peak torque towards shorter muscle lengths..

Prevention and Rehabilitation of Hamstring Injuries - Bram Swinnen

Statistical analysis of the kinematic data indicated the following significant (P > 0.05) changes in the subjects’ running action: decreased hip and knee flexion at maximum knee extension in the swing phasemof the sprint cycle, decreased leg angular velocity immediately before foot-ground contact (FGC), and decreased angular displacement of the trunk, thigh, and leg segments during the late swing phase

Department of Biomedical Science - University of Wollongong

They concluded that sprinters with a history of previous injury had significantly tighter hamstrings...A further possible cause for recurrence includes alteration to normal biomechanics. The resulting scar tissue has a reduced tensile strength and is therefore more susceptible to strain injury. The scar is also stiffer than normal tissue and therefore causes reduced range of motion. Furthermore, with a prior injury there is also a loss of strength in other muscle groups due to disuse.

Brisbane Orthopaedic and Sports Medicine Clinic

I'm out now. Can't be arsed with all this. You like Forrest and think he'll regain his speed and fitness if he gets a run of games, I don't.

I know why I believe what I believe have been saying it for over a year and have given my reasons. Believe what you like, we'll see how it works out. But I'm done with this subject now, I'm exasperated.
Interesting to note that other than the many fans who think he's pish we have scientific proof that he's probably going to be more pish.

I agree with you btw. :thumbsup:

I was only trying to work out whether his injuries would impact on his pace, as that was one of the points the poster made. If I understand the hypothesis correctly, P > 0.05 would assume that his pace would be adversely affected by scar tissue by greater than 5%. Even doubling that percentage, would that make any discernible difference to his ability to go past a defender, assuming of course that he was quicker than the defender in the first place?
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TheCelticSurfer
5 Mar 2015, 09:22 AM
Another Mark Burchill. Promised so much but, in reality, a bit of a one hit wonder. Destined for Aberdeen at best.

He has an unusual posture when running and this will inevitably lead to more and more injuries Sorry to say, but early retirement beckons.
Perhaps you can describe this unusual posture in detail and why it will lead to more injuries. What will the nature of these injuries be?
Perhaps you can also tell us what your expertise is in this area and why Celtic with all of their resources are not aware of it.
I mean why would they persist with him. Just asking like.
Perhaps as a relative of Forrest you shouldn't read this thread. I'd suggest you're never going to enjoy reading it.
Nice response. It tells me a lot about you. I actually do enjoy this thread it tells me a lot about certain things etc.
Now maybe YOU will answer my question I asked The Celtic Surfer
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5 Mar 2015, 05:49 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepBecause the muscle region near the scar tissue is subjected to higher strain, re-injuries mostly occur near the site of prior injury. The neuromuscular inhibition is probably a protective mechanism to reduce the risk of re-injury. As a result of the inhibition the majority of athletes return to sport with atrophy, strength deficits and a shifted peak torque towards shorter muscle lengths..

Prevention and Rehabilitation of Hamstring Injuries - Bram Swinnen

Statistical analysis of the kinematic data indicated the following significant (P > 0.05) changes in the subjects’ running action: decreased hip and knee flexion at maximum knee extension in the swing phasemof the sprint cycle, decreased leg angular velocity immediately before foot-ground contact (FGC), and decreased angular displacement of the trunk, thigh, and leg segments during the late swing phase

Department of Biomedical Science - University of Wollongong

They concluded that sprinters with a history of previous injury had significantly tighter hamstrings...A further possible cause for recurrence includes alteration to normal biomechanics. The resulting scar tissue has a reduced tensile strength and is therefore more susceptible to strain injury. The scar is also stiffer than normal tissue and therefore causes reduced range of motion. Furthermore, with a prior injury there is also a loss of strength in other muscle groups due to disuse.

Brisbane Orthopaedic and Sports Medicine Clinic

I'm out now. Can't be arsed with all this. You like Forrest and think he'll regain his speed and fitness if he gets a run of games, I don't.

I know why I believe what I believe have been saying it for over a year and have given my reasons. Believe what you like, we'll see how it works out. But I'm done with this subject now, I'm exasperated.
Interesting to note that other than the many fans who think he's pish we have scientific proof that he's probably going to be more pish.

I agree with you btw. :thumbsup:

I was only trying to work out whether his injuries would impact on his pace, as that was one of the points the poster made. If I understand the hypothesis correctly, P > 0.05 would assume that his pace would be adversely affected by scar tissue by greater than 5%. Even doubling that percentage, would that make any discernible difference to his ability to go past a defender, assuming of course that he was quicker than the defender in the first place?
I think in this context it means that they have 95% confidence that the athlete's running style has altered as a result of their injury, i.e. that there's only a 5% chance the changes witnessed are coincidental.

It's an interesting post and though I don't know much about it it makes intuitive sense that an injury (and avoiding that muscle's use) would cause muscle atrophy, scar tissue is more likely to be re-injured and any athlete is going to have a hard time competing when they have a problem with a muscle as important as their hamstrings.

In all honesty though I always thought Forrest was fairly limited, for me he's really one footed and predictable even when he had the pace to take defenders on. Hope for his sake he can get it back because it's the only way I can see him having a career at clubs anywhere near the size of Celtic.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepBecause the muscle region near the scar tissue is subjected to higher strain, re-injuries mostly occur near the site of prior injury. The neuromuscular inhibition is probably a protective mechanism to reduce the risk of re-injury. As a result of the inhibition the majority of athletes return to sport with atrophy, strength deficits and a shifted peak torque towards shorter muscle lengths..

Prevention and Rehabilitation of Hamstring Injuries - Bram Swinnen

Statistical analysis of the kinematic data indicated the following significant (P > 0.05) changes in the subjects’ running action: decreased hip and knee flexion at maximum knee extension in the swing phasemof the sprint cycle, decreased leg angular velocity immediately before foot-ground contact (FGC), and decreased angular displacement of the trunk, thigh, and leg segments during the late swing phase

Department of Biomedical Science - University of Wollongong

They concluded that sprinters with a history of previous injury had significantly tighter hamstrings...A further possible cause for recurrence includes alteration to normal biomechanics. The resulting scar tissue has a reduced tensile strength and is therefore more susceptible to strain injury. The scar is also stiffer than normal tissue and therefore causes reduced range of motion. Furthermore, with a prior injury there is also a loss of strength in other muscle groups due to disuse.

Brisbane Orthopaedic and Sports Medicine Clinic

I'm out now. Can't be arsed with all this. You like Forrest and think he'll regain his speed and fitness if he gets a run of games, I don't.

I know why I believe what I believe have been saying it for over a year and have given my reasons. Believe what you like, we'll see how it works out. But I'm done with this subject now, I'm exasperated.
Interesting to note that other than the many fans who think he's pish we have scientific proof that he's probably going to be more pish.

I agree with you btw. :thumbsup:

I was only trying to work out whether his injuries would impact on his pace, as that was one of the points the poster made. If I understand the hypothesis correctly, P > 0.05 would assume that his pace would be adversely affected by scar tissue by greater than 5%. Even doubling that percentage, would that make any discernible difference to his ability to go past a defender, assuming of course that he was quicker than the defender in the first place?
It sounds small but it could make quite a bit of difference actually. I would think it would hamper his explosiveness, which would be among his most important attributes for beating a man - a burst over 10 yards or so.

As others have said he seemed pretty limited as a player apart from his pace. When he was getting more games I remember thinking I wish he'd learn a trick or two.

I mentioned Giggs earlier in this thread on how he dealt with his hamstring troubles but neglected to say that he also gives a lot of credit to Rene Meulensteen for adding more ball skills to his game. Fast flayers can lose their overall pace but can still retain quick feet which can help with dribbling skills and this was true with Giggs. I wonder if this might be the direction Forrest has to go too, adapt to prolong his Celtic career. I say this also because Meulensteen was a proponent of the Coerver school, as is John Collins.

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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepBecause the muscle region near the scar tissue is subjected to higher strain, re-injuries mostly occur near the site of prior injury. The neuromuscular inhibition is probably a protective mechanism to reduce the risk of re-injury. As a result of the inhibition the majority of athletes return to sport with atrophy, strength deficits and a shifted peak torque towards shorter muscle lengths..

Prevention and Rehabilitation of Hamstring Injuries - Bram Swinnen

Statistical analysis of the kinematic data indicated the following significant (P > 0.05) changes in the subjects’ running action: decreased hip and knee flexion at maximum knee extension in the swing phasemof the sprint cycle, decreased leg angular velocity immediately before foot-ground contact (FGC), and decreased angular displacement of the trunk, thigh, and leg segments during the late swing phase

Department of Biomedical Science - University of Wollongong

They concluded that sprinters with a history of previous injury had significantly tighter hamstrings...A further possible cause for recurrence includes alteration to normal biomechanics. The resulting scar tissue has a reduced tensile strength and is therefore more susceptible to strain injury. The scar is also stiffer than normal tissue and therefore causes reduced range of motion. Furthermore, with a prior injury there is also a loss of strength in other muscle groups due to disuse.
I was only trying to work out whether his injuries would impact on his pace, as that was one of the points the poster made. If I understand the hypothesis correctly, P > 0.05 would assume that his pace would be adversely affected by scar tissue by greater than 5%. Even doubling that percentage, would that make any discernible difference to his ability to go past a defender, assuming of course that he was quicker than the defender in the first place?
It sounds small but it could make quite a bit of difference actually. I would think it would hamper his explosiveness, which would be among his most important attributes for beating a man - a burst over 10 yards or so.

As others have said he seemed pretty limited as a player apart from his pace. When he was getting more games I remember thinking I wish he'd learn a trick or two.

I mentioned Giggs earlier in this thread on how he dealt with his hamstring troubles but neglected to say that he also gives a lot of credit to Rene Meulensteen for adding more ball skills to his game. Fast flayers can lose their overall pace but can still retain quick feet which can help with dribbling skills and this was true with Giggs. I wonder if this might be the direction Forrest has to go too, adapt to prolong his Celtic career. I say this also because Meulensteen was a proponent of the Coerver school, as is John Collins.

How do top class sprinters recover from such injuries?

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I've replied above. Can you supply any definitive article which suggests the scenario you've outlined for professional footballers or other athletes?
Because the muscle region near the scar tissue is subjected to higher strain, re-injuries mostly occur near the site of prior injury. The neuromuscular inhibition is probably a protective mechanism to reduce the risk of re-injury. As a result of the inhibition the majority of athletes return to sport with atrophy, strength deficits and a shifted peak torque towards shorter muscle lengths..

Prevention and Rehabilitation of Hamstring Injuries - Bram Swinnen

Statistical analysis of the kinematic data indicated the following significant (P > 0.05) changes in the subjects’ running action: decreased hip and knee flexion at maximum knee extension in the swing phasemof the sprint cycle, decreased leg angular velocity immediately before foot-ground contact (FGC), and decreased angular displacement of the trunk, thigh, and leg segments during the late swing phase

Department of Biomedical Science - University of Wollongong

They concluded that sprinters with a history of previous injury had significantly tighter hamstrings...A further possible cause for recurrence includes alteration to normal biomechanics. The resulting scar tissue has a reduced tensile strength and is therefore more susceptible to strain injury. The scar is also stiffer than normal tissue and therefore causes reduced range of motion. Furthermore, with a prior injury there is also a loss of strength in other muscle groups due to disuse.

Brisbane Orthopaedic and Sports Medicine Clinic

I'm out now. Can't be arsed with all this. You like Forrest and think he'll regain his speed and fitness if he gets a run of games, I don't.

I know why I believe what I believe have been saying it for over a year and have given my reasons. Believe what you like, we'll see how it works out. But I'm done with this subject now, I'm exasperated.
Been saying for ages that his problems are most likely postural.
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Because the muscle region near the scar tissue is subjected to higher strain, re-injuries mostly occur near the site of prior injury. The neuromuscular inhibition is probably a protective mechanism to reduce the risk of re-injury. As a result of the inhibition the majority of athletes return to sport with atrophy, strength deficits and a shifted peak torque towards shorter muscle lengths..

Prevention and Rehabilitation of Hamstring Injuries - Bram Swinnen

Statistical analysis of the kinematic data indicated the following significant (P > 0.05) changes in the subjects’ running action: decreased hip and knee flexion at maximum knee extension in the swing phasemof the sprint cycle, decreased leg angular velocity immediately before foot-ground contact (FGC), and decreased angular displacement of the trunk, thigh, and leg segments during the late swing phase

Department of Biomedical Science - University of Wollongong

They concluded that sprinters with a history of previous injury had significantly tighter hamstrings...A further possible cause for recurrence includes alteration to normal biomechanics. The resulting scar tissue has a reduced tensile strength and is therefore more susceptible to strain injury. The scar is also stiffer than normal tissue and therefore causes reduced range of motion. Furthermore, with a prior injury there is also a loss of strength in other muscle groups due to disuse.

Brisbane Orthopaedic and Sports Medicine Clinic

I'm out now. Can't be arsed with all this. You like Forrest and think he'll regain his speed and fitness if he gets a run of games, I don't.

I know why I believe what I believe have been saying it for over a year and have given my reasons. Believe what you like, we'll see how it works out. But I'm done with this subject now, I'm exasperated.
Been saying for ages that his problems are most likely postural.
I remember reading a good while back about him driving to and from training from Ayrshire every day maybe having some affect on his posture. Moving to the Glasgow area doesn't seem to have made any notable difference.
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