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James Forrest; he's awright so he is.
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I no longer wanted to see him around Celtic. He's failed to deliver for too long. He's lacked courage, shown too little intelligence (on field, although he's been smart enough to pick up his pay check) and almost no desire. To me he's hidden under the cover of injuries and poor managers - in any other business he'd be the first employee shown the exit sign.

That said, if BR sees a value, and JF consistently plays with more of the attitude and ability he demonstrated against Motherwell I'll be delighted that he's contributing to a successful Celtic ... I'll never sing his praises, but I hope he makes it easy for me to appreciate his commitment.
"desire, courage ...intelligence" " he's hidden under the cover of injuries and poor managers".
This is just waffling opinion which is impossible to prove or refute

You'll " never sing his praises" - no matter what he does?
Nothing like an open mind eh?

Fact is RD's era had a negative affect on many players.
Fact is he was often pish before RD - and fact is your waffling opinion is obviously as pish as mine
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His Celtic career to date has been frequently frustrating and occasionally infuriating. His overall contribution has not matched his obvious ability. There has however been games where, when fit and on form, he has tormented defences and looked a genuinely outstanding talent. He can be a devastatingly effective attacking option.

BR seems confident Forrest can not only now deliver such performances on a much more consistent basis but also improve the weaker defensive aspects of his game. That would take improved attitude and fitness. His attitude certainly seems spot on but we can only keep our fingers crossed for an injury free campaign. A month ago I cared little if he stayed or moved on. While accepting we may be witnessing another false dawn I have enough faith in the manager to be genuinely excited by Forrest's potential contribution to the season ahead.

As a sub ? ;)
Mostly :lol: Hopefully with extended cup runs Sinclair & Roberts are given the occasional game off.
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I no longer wanted to see him around Celtic. He's failed to deliver for too long. He's lacked courage, shown too little intelligence (on field, although he's been smart enough to pick up his pay check) and almost no desire. To me he's hidden under the cover of injuries and poor managers - in any other business he'd be the first employee shown the exit sign.

That said, if BR sees a value, and JF consistently plays with more of the attitude and ability he demonstrated against Motherwell I'll be delighted that he's contributing to a successful Celtic ... I'll never sing his praises, but I hope he makes it easy for me to appreciate his commitment.
"desire, courage ...intelligence" " he's hidden under the cover of injuries and poor managers".
This is just waffling opinion which is impossible to prove or refute

You'll " never sing his praises" - no matter what he does?
Nothing like an open mind eh?

Fact is RD's era had a negative affect on many players.
Well it shows he's a quitter if he's taken the huff with the previous regime, we should've gotten rid of anyone that downed tools, he's clearly not the only one in case people think I'm picking on poor wee Jimmy trees
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I no longer wanted to see him around Celtic. He's failed to deliver for too long. He's lacked courage, shown too little intelligence (on field, although he's been smart enough to pick up his pay check) and almost no desire. To me he's hidden under the cover of injuries and poor managers - in any other business he'd be the first employee shown the exit sign.

That said, if BR sees a value, and JF consistently plays with more of the attitude and ability he demonstrated against Motherwell I'll be delighted that he's contributing to a successful Celtic ... I'll never sing his praises, but I hope he makes it easy for me to appreciate his commitment.
"desire, courage ...intelligence" " he's hidden under the cover of injuries and poor managers".
This is just waffling opinion which is impossible to prove or refute

You'll " never sing his praises" - no matter what he does?
Nothing like an open mind eh?

Fact is RD's era had a negative affect on many players.
Well it shows he's a quitter if he's taken the huff with the previous regime, we should've gotten rid of anyone that downed tools, he's clearly not the only one in case people think I'm picking on poor wee Jimmy trees
Mate, the Jimmy trees thing? Naw.
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Over the last couple of games, James Forrest has returned to the sort of form that had me thinking "if this boy kicks on from here, we'll have some player on our hands".
I think he's returnec to where he was 4 or 5 years ago, rather than where he was last season.
For me, he's still not really progressed, still doesn't look like he can cross a ball and has also lost a bit of pace.
Maybe he'll adapt his game and become a more tricky, dribbling style of player, able to link better with the other forwards. I hope so.
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His Celtic career to date has been frequently frustrating and occasionally infuriating. His overall contribution has not matched his obvious ability. There has however been games where, when fit and on form, he has tormented defences and looked a genuinely outstanding talent. He can be a devastatingly effective attacking option.

BR seems confident Forrest can not only now deliver such performances on a much more consistent basis but also improve the weaker defensive aspects of his game. That would take improved attitude and fitness. His attitude certainly seems spot on but we can only keep our fingers crossed for an injury free campaign. A month ago I cared little if he stayed or moved on. While accepting we may be witnessing another false dawn I have enough faith in the manager to be genuinely excited by Forrest's potential contribution to the season ahead.

As a sub ? ;)
Mostly :lol: Hopefully with extended cup runs Sinclair & Roberts are given the occasional game off.
If we're playing 4-3-3 he'll be 5th choice but over a 60+ game season I'm sure he'll get plenty of chances. I think we'll see Griffiths out wide a lot this season.
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Mostly :lol: Hopefully with extended cup runs Sinclair & Roberts are given the occasional game off.
If we're playing 4-3-3 he'll be 5th choice but over a 60+ game season I'm sure he'll get plenty of chances. I think we'll see Griffiths out wide a lot this season.
5th choice :ffs:
He's just been given 3 year contract and in the starting eleven for the last two games.Has played well and scored a fine goal.
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If we're playing 4-3-3 he'll be 5th choice but over a 60+ game season I'm sure he'll get plenty of chances. I think we'll see Griffiths out wide a lot this season.
5th choice :ffs:
He's just been given 3 year contract and in the starting eleven for the last two games.Has played well and scored a fine goal.
Sinclair, Dembele, Roberts and possibly Griffiths will all be ahead of him in the pecking order.
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5th choice :ffs:
He's just been given 3 year contract and in the starting eleven for the last two games.Has played well and scored a fine goal.
Sinclair, Dembele, Roberts and possibly Griffiths will all be ahead of him in the pecking order.
Aye cos they all play in the same position.
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If we're playing 4-3-3 he'll be 5th choice but over a 60+ game season I'm sure he'll get plenty of chances. I think we'll see Griffiths out wide a lot this season.
5th choice :ffs:
He's just been given 3 year contract and in the starting eleven for the last two games.Has played well and scored a fine goal.
To play in the front 3 he's 5th choice. Say our first choice line up is Roberts-Grifftihs-Sinclair, if one of them is injured Dembele would start at CF with Griffiths out wide. Any other suspensions or injuries then Forrest would start.

He has played well but he wouldn't have started if Roberts or Griffiths were available, he's behind the other 4 in the pecking order.
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5th choice :ffs:
He's just been given 3 year contract and in the starting eleven for the last two games.Has played well and scored a fine goal.
To play in the front 3 he's 5th choice. Say our first choice line up is Roberts-Grifftihs-Sinclair, if one of them is injured Dembele would start at CF with Griffiths out wide. Any other suspensions or injuries then Forrest would start.

He has played well but he wouldn't have started if Roberts or Griffiths were available, he's behind the other 4 in the pecking order.
Griffiths will not play out wide in a 4-3-3. It's already proven not to work and he doesn't have the pace.

Forrest may well be the deputy to Sinclair/Roberts but, whilst Roberts is unfit, he'll be starting if we are playing 4-3-3 or 3-5-2.
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To play in the front 3 he's 5th choice. Say our first choice line up is Roberts-Grifftihs-Sinclair, if one of them is injured Dembele would start at CF with Griffiths out wide. Any other suspensions or injuries then Forrest would start.

He has played well but he wouldn't have started if Roberts or Griffiths were available, he's behind the other 4 in the pecking order.
Griffiths will not play out wide in a 4-3-3. It's already proven not to work and he doesn't have the pace.

Forrest may well be the deputy to Sinclair/Roberts but, whilst Roberts is unfit, he'll be starting if we are playing 4-3-3 or 3-5-2.
I agree , can't see Griffiths being used out wide
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Griffiths will not play out wide in a 4-3-3. It's already proven not to work and he doesn't have the pace.

Forrest may well be the deputy to Sinclair/Roberts but, whilst Roberts is unfit, he'll be starting if we are playing 4-3-3 or 3-5-2.
I agree , can't see Griffiths being used out wide
He already has been and scored from there pre season. The run and ball to Sinclair at Tynecastle was superb too. I'd rather see him through the middle. 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 I think we'll only see 3 out of our current 5 forwards start.
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I agree , can't see Griffiths being used out wide
He already has been and scored from there pre season. The run and ball to Sinclair at Tynecastle was superb too. I'd rather see him through the middle. 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 I think we'll only see 3 out of our current 5 forwards start.
yes for once he got his head up and didn't try to go it alone.
Of course he can end up wide during certain passages of play but that's not the same as being asked to play out wide.
Samaras got some criticism for going wide too often even when he wasn't played as an out-and-out wide player.
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He already has been and scored from there pre season. The run and ball to Sinclair at Tynecastle was superb too. I'd rather see him through the middle. 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 I think we'll only see 3 out of our current 5 forwards start.
yes for once he got his head up and didn't try to go it alone.
Of course he can end up wide during certain passages of play but that's not the same being asked to play out wide.
Samaras got some criticism for going wide too often even though when wasn't played as an out-and-out wide player.
Griffiths is good enough to play anywhere across a front 3 or 4, out wide isn't his best position but I'd play him there ahead of Forrest.

Samaras probably played more games as a winger than a striker.
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To play in the front 3 he's 5th choice. Say our first choice line up is Roberts-Grifftihs-Sinclair, if one of them is injured Dembele would start at CF with Griffiths out wide. Any other suspensions or injuries then Forrest would start.

He has played well but he wouldn't have started if Roberts or Griffiths were available, he's behind the other 4 in the pecking order.
Griffiths will not play out wide in a 4-3-3. It's already proven not to work and he doesn't have the pace.

Forrest may well be the deputy to Sinclair/Roberts but, whilst Roberts is unfit, he'll be starting if we are playing 4-3-3 or 3-5-2.
Forrest should be considered ahead of Roberts against teams that defend high up the pitch. The Huns, for example. Roberts doesn't have the pace of Forrest to get behind them.
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Griffiths will not play out wide in a 4-3-3. It's already proven not to work and he doesn't have the pace.

Forrest may well be the deputy to Sinclair/Roberts but, whilst Roberts is unfit, he'll be starting if we are playing 4-3-3 or 3-5-2.
Forrest should be considered ahead of Roberts against teams that defend high up the pitch. The Huns, for example. Roberts doesn't have the pace of Forrest to get behind them.
Forrest doesn't have the brain of Roberts once he gets in behind.
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Griffiths will not play out wide in a 4-3-3. It's already proven not to work and he doesn't have the pace.

Forrest may well be the deputy to Sinclair/Roberts but, whilst Roberts is unfit, he'll be starting if we are playing 4-3-3 or 3-5-2.
Forrest should be considered ahead of Roberts against teams that defend high up the pitch. The Huns, for example. Roberts doesn't have the pace of Forrest to get behind them.
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Griffiths will not play out wide in a 4-3-3. It's already proven not to work and he doesn't have the pace.

Forrest may well be the deputy to Sinclair/Roberts but, whilst Roberts is unfit, he'll be starting if we are playing 4-3-3 or 3-5-2.
Forrest should be considered ahead of Roberts against teams that defend high up the pitch. The Huns, for example. Roberts doesn't have the pace of Forrest to get behind them.
We'll have that pace with Sinclair and Griffiths too. I get your point though and I think Rodgers will switch the line up and formation depending on who we play.
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Forrest should be considered ahead of Roberts against teams that defend high up the pitch. The Huns, for example. Roberts doesn't have the pace of Forrest to get behind them.
We'll have that pace with Sinclair and Griffiths too. I get your point though and I think Rodgers will switch the line up and formation depending on who we play.
Yeah, there'll be games where our tactics and setup will be more reliant on pace to get behind a defence, than on guile to get through a defence. :thumbsup:

An on-form Forrest seems a sensible consideration for the first situation, whereas Roberts is more naturally suited to the second.
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