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| James Forrest; he's awright so he is. | |
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| Topic Started: 26 Feb 2015, 09:19 PM (518,069 Views) | |
| Patrick_Bateman | 3 Mar 2015, 02:51 PM Post #321 |
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Ok then, we'll go with yours and Remys version of events. Forrest burnt the defenders with blistering pace, left teammates and opposition trailing in his wake as he turned on the afterburners before cutting it back for a goal, injuring himself in the process. That's a far more accurate representation of the facts than saying he beat two players with a tidy bit of skill, ran for about 25 yards into open space in the middle of the field, laid it off to the winger, pulling his hamstring in the process.
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| paulfg42 | 3 Mar 2015, 02:54 PM Post #322 |
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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Does 'strolled' = 'ran'? |
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| Patrick_Bateman | 3 Mar 2015, 02:58 PM Post #323 |
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Stroll = to wander or roam at a leisurely pace Which is accurate to me. Certainly didn't sprint and he definitely didn't jog. In any case he certainly didn't beat anyone due to his pace, which was the point I was arguing to begin with. |
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| Flawless | 3 Mar 2015, 03:02 PM Post #324 |
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They're a team in decline. They were shampooe before Toure left for the ACON and are shampooe now he's back. |
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| paulfg42 | 3 Mar 2015, 03:09 PM Post #325 |
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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Make up your mind. The second time you said he ran, which he surely did. And used his pace to outstrip the two players he beat. |
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| Patrick_Bateman | 3 Mar 2015, 03:17 PM Post #326 |
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1) There are different ways to run, jogging being at the lower end of the scale and sprinting at the higher. He was somewhere in between, ran at a leisurely pace ie strolled. I don't get what's so complex about that concept. But if you're arguing semantics then I suppose that's all you've got. 2)He didn't use pace to outstrip them. He used a tidy bit of close control and got away from them. Neither of them chased him, one of them moved back towards the centre forward position, the other ran out to the wing. If you genuinely think he "used pace to outstrip them" you're just seeing what you want to see and there's really no point arguing about this further. |
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| Neil Jung | 3 Mar 2015, 03:21 PM Post #327 |
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Last AFCON was in 2013 and they lost that title to Man U by 11 points. The year before they won on goal difference and last year they won by 2. I don't know the number but City went a lot of game this season without a win when Toure wasn't involved. In fact I think they lost the majority of those games. |
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| Midfield Maestro | 3 Mar 2015, 03:24 PM Post #328 |
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And regardless, it is a concern that he managed to do his hammy without even breaking into a sprint. Another concern is that he may have lost a yard of pace due to injuries. Does anyone know if the club have a specific training regime for Forrest? I know we've talked about it on here before but there must be something awry in his body mechanics. |
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| Flawless | 3 Mar 2015, 03:28 PM Post #329 |
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Aguero is Man City's best player. |
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| paulfg42 | 3 Mar 2015, 03:32 PM Post #330 |
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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He does have an awkward looking running style. I'm not sure whether that is significant in terms of hamstring injuries, which are notoriously difficult to prevent. Equally, if treatment and rehabilitation are completed properly, then the injury is unlikely to recur. I'd be hopeful that we have enough expertise at the club for Forrest to have an individual training programme. Given that we have adequate cover in the squad, it seems sensible to manage his return and even see next season for his optimal return. |
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| Neil Jung | 3 Mar 2015, 03:32 PM Post #331 |
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Between Aguero and Yaya. Its definitely no Silva. |
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| james95 | 3 Mar 2015, 03:33 PM Post #332 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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Forgot about Coutinho but other than that there isn't really much debate about it imo |
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| james95 | 3 Mar 2015, 03:34 PM Post #333 |
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It's defintely not Toure. He chucks it far too easily and often |
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| Hinkel's Beard | 3 Mar 2015, 03:53 PM Post #334 |
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The Lord our God.
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You could argue that Lucas is a more skilful (unless you're looking solely at goal return) player than Zlatan. Also, I wouldn't say that Di Maria is the best/most skilful player at Utd either. But all of that is a bit of a moot point - we're talking about Forrest. And he isn't anywhere close to being the most skilful/best player in this side on current showing. I don't think he's the fastest player at the club any more (simply going by his injuries) - Matthews seems faster than him now. I don't think he can be as clinical a finisher as the White Domed Racist. He never really had any tricks to beat his man. He simply doesn't seem to have the attributes that made him half decent due to injury/being frozen out the team. Also, as other have noted, even though it's his honeymoon period, GMS has done a lot more tracking back and work on the pitch in general in the 4/5 games he's featured than Forrest has done in effing ages. If we could get 2/3 million for him? I'd be inclined to sell him and cut our losses. If we can't? Then he's ok to have as backup but he just doesn't feature nearly often enough to warrant a big wage. |
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| Lord0 | 3 Mar 2015, 03:57 PM Post #335 |
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Sticking it to the man
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I hope I'm wrong but it feels to me like Forrest is becoming "yesterdays man": there used to be a clamour for his "next return from injury" but now it feels like we don't miss him at all really - expect as maybe back up. GMS does everything and more IMO than Forrest ever did. |
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| Luca | 3 Mar 2015, 03:57 PM Post #336 |
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Should get his teeth looked at, might help his running (see: Arjen Robben) |
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| Rodan | 3 Mar 2015, 04:14 PM Post #337 |
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"This thread is well Gammon" - shugmc
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It takes something special for a thread to jump the shark, apparently going round in circles with people repeating themselves over and over doesn't quite manage it.
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| BombJack | 3 Mar 2015, 04:21 PM Post #338 |
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He twists, he turns, Tommy Burns...
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Something to consider. In 2 months, Forrest will have been playing at some level, 1st team football for 5 years. (Ie he made his debut in May 2010). Since then he has only amassed 90 appearances (going by the wiki) - with 19 goals in that time. Is that a decent return on appearances for 5 years? He is only 23 tho. 15 apps so far this year. (Only 1 goal) 27 last season. 31 season before. So - what should be his break even point? Commons by contrast has been here one year less, and has 7 more appearances in that time. How many games should we be expecting him to play? (Ps - Michael Owen was another who solved(???) has recurring hamstrings by getting some dental work done) |
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| Stephane_Mahe | 3 Mar 2015, 04:25 PM Post #339 |
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Getting on a bit
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I find it quite surprising that you don't think there is much debate to had about, for example, Augero being better than Silva, Lahm being better than Robben, Fabregas being better than Hazard, Turan or Miranda being better than Griezemann, Henderson being better than Sterling etc Any anyway, Forrest isn't the best or the most skillful. |
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| Rodan | 3 Mar 2015, 04:27 PM Post #340 |
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I'd say 19 in 90 for a 23 year old winger is pretty decent. If he's our best player and far better than GMS, we should be expecting to play every single game. You can't really expect him to play when he physically can't. |
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