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James Forrest; he's awright so he is.
Topic Started: 26 Feb 2015, 09:19 PM (518,071 Views)
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Very frustrating player who I think Celtic should look to move on. He's not progressed in a very long time due to injuries.

Unfortunately, I doubt there's many clubs who would take him with his injury record. Possibly some Championship mob with some money to waste, though we wouldn't get much for him if he continues the rest of the season as he has been so far.
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Reading this thread certainly shows that familiarity breeds contempt. Forrest is just as consistent and a better player than GMS but since he's been here a few years and fans have watched his poorer displays its all some can remember. GMS is going through his honeymoon period after signing for the club. He has done really well but I'm sure if you had watched more than just highlight packages you'd see just how frustrating he could be at UTD. In fact if you go and read their forums you'd see what the opinion of UTD fans on GMS were. Forrest injury problems are frustrating & his form isn't the greatest currently, however, you really have to be wilfully ignoring his good performances to come to the conclusion some on this thread are. I don't get it. Forrest is 23 years old. He's played a lot of games for this club and contributed to big wins and league titles. Yes he could've played more if it wasn't for his injuries but he is incredibly experienced when it comes to playing got our club. He is also very talented. When fit, he'll get more than his fair share of game time & I can only hope we figure out a training regime that benefits him.
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3 Mar 2015, 08:54 AM
Reading this thread certainly shows that familiarity breeds contempt. Forrest is just as consistent and a better player than GMS but since he's been here a few years and fans have watched his poorer displays its all some can remember. GMS is going through his honeymoon period after signing for the club. He has done really well but I'm sure if you had watched more than just highlight packages you'd see just how frustrating he could be at UTD. In fact if you go and read their forums you'd see what the opinion of UTD fans on GMS were. Forrest injury problems are frustrating & his form isn't the greatest currently, however, you really have to be wilfully ignoring his good performances to come to the conclusion some on this thread are. I don't get it. Forrest is 23 years old. He's played a lot of games for this club and contributed to big wins and league titles. Yes he could've played more if it wasn't for his injuries but he is incredibly experienced when it comes to playing got our club. He is also very talented. When fit, he'll get more than his fair share of game time & I can only hope we figure out a training regime that benefits him.
I don't know why you feel the need to talk down GMS in order to justify your take on things.
I really like Forrest and hope he can sort his injuries out and come back into the team.
GMS has made the portion his own so even if fit, he won't be walking back in like he previously has.
Don't know why you give a eff about what some bitter Dundee Utd fan has to say about GMS, the forum is probably populated by the same kind of idiots that posted on his thread in here.
Since he signed he's shown a level of fitness, skill and comitment that Forrest hadn't been able to show for some time.
Using GMS to try and justify your opinion that Forrest is a good player is daft.
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Neil Jung
3 Mar 2015, 08:54 AM
Reading this thread certainly shows that familiarity breeds contempt. Forrest is just as consistent and a better player than GMS but since he's been here a few years and fans have watched his poorer displays its all some can remember. GMS is going through his honeymoon period after signing for the club. He has done really well but I'm sure if you had watched more than just highlight packages you'd see just how frustrating he could be at UTD. In fact if you go and read their forums you'd see what the opinion of UTD fans on GMS were. Forrest injury problems are frustrating & his form isn't the greatest currently, however, you really have to be wilfully ignoring his good performances to come to the conclusion some on this thread are. I don't get it. Forrest is 23 years old. He's played a lot of games for this club and contributed to big wins and league titles. Yes he could've played more if it wasn't for his injuries but he is incredibly experienced when it comes to playing got our club. He is also very talented. When fit, he'll get more than his fair share of game time & I can only hope we figure out a training regime that benefits him.
Blasphemy.

The one area that GMS is head and shoulders above Forrest, is his work rate. My late Mrs was an Arab season ticket holder and i have seen a lot of the guy, no matter whether he is playing well or not, his work rate is superb, whether it is tracking back or still looking for the ball. I don't think Forrest can compare and if it was a toss up between the two, i would have GMS every time.
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Neil Jung
3 Mar 2015, 08:54 AM
Reading this thread certainly shows that familiarity breeds contempt. Forrest is just as consistent and a better player than GMS but since he's been here a few years and fans have watched his poorer displays its all some can remember. GMS is going through his honeymoon period after signing for the club. He has done really well but I'm sure if you had watched more than just highlight packages you'd see just how frustrating he could be at UTD. In fact if you go and read their forums you'd see what the opinion of UTD fans on GMS were. Forrest injury problems are frustrating & his form isn't the greatest currently, however, you really have to be wilfully ignoring his good performances to come to the conclusion some on this thread are. I don't get it. Forrest is 23 years old. He's played a lot of games for this club and contributed to big wins and league titles. Yes he could've played more if it wasn't for his injuries but he is incredibly experienced when it comes to playing got our club. He is also very talented. When fit, he'll get more than his fair share of game time & I can only hope we figure out a training regime that benefits him.
How long do you suggest we wait on him getting fit?

His petulant attitude is awful. Just because he has shown flashes of brilliance a handful of times doesn't mean he is a 'great player'

He has shown, more times than his brilliance, that he has absolutely no heart or fight in him and if he ever has shown it then it must have been in a game that I have missed.

For a professional footballer, his application on the park is pathetic.

If we had signed him instead of him coming through the system he wouldn't have been given the time and have been punted long before now :thumbsup:
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Hardly familiarity that is breeding contempt NJ, more the lack of I'd have thought.
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Neil Jung
3 Mar 2015, 08:54 AM
Reading this thread certainly shows that familiarity breeds contempt. Forrest is just as consistent and a better player than GMS but since he's been here a few years and fans have watched his poorer displays its all some can remember. GMS is going through his honeymoon period after signing for the club. He has done really well but I'm sure if you had watched more than just highlight packages you'd see just how frustrating he could be at UTD. In fact if you go and read their forums you'd see what the opinion of UTD fans on GMS were. Forrest injury problems are frustrating & his form isn't the greatest currently, however, you really have to be wilfully ignoring his good performances to come to the conclusion some on this thread are. I don't get it. Forrest is 23 years old. He's played a lot of games for this club and contributed to big wins and league titles. Yes he could've played more if it wasn't for his injuries but he is incredibly experienced when it comes to playing got our club. He is also very talented. When fit, he'll get more than his fair share of game time & I can only hope we figure out a training regime that benefits him.
There's some truth in that. The last few months have shown that we have truly turned the corner, I was worried it would never happen, but this is very much Deila's team now and it seems we are moving upwards and onwards with each passing week. An unfit, not up-to-speed Forrest plays and it just reminds me of Lennon's team towards the end of his tenure, at times very ponderous and frustrating to watch. Same with guys like Stokes, Commons and Mulgrew, they're all good footballers, but we have a different team now with different players and it's fresh and (finally) exciting to watch. These new guys might not be better players, the GMS point could be argued until everyone's faces have melted off, but they represent a team moving forward and changing and not relying on past glories or guys who have done it for us in the past but aren't doing it anymore. So someone posts videos of what Forrest can do/has done for us a few seasons ago, but has he done that for a new manager and in a new system? The best you can say is "not yet", but with Deila's team getting better all the time, we might never find out.
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I'd really like to see him out on loan. Hate to use the when / if fit argument but it's been way too long since we seen him play as well as he's capable. Maybe a loan spell's the answer, hope so anyway.
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Not happy with the return from Forrest and was scathing of him at Inter's goal on Thursday night (and still am tbh) but he seems to be getting written off as some out and out diddy which is far from the case - I think there is more going on with him than his injuries and Celtic may cut their losses with him or they may not but certainly when fit (and I appreciate that is a major part of the problem) he has contributed so I don't think the abject dismissal of the guy is warranted or fair.
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I really think those who are willing to wait for Forrest to get back to match fitness and sharpness are pissing against the wind.

Hamstring injuries are notorious for being recurring injuries, especially in sprinters. And even if he got back to being fit for a prolonged period of time he will have lost a lot of his speed. He already has, he rarely beats a fullback for pace anymore and ends up dribbling across the 18 yard line instead of beating his man and crossing.
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3 Mar 2015, 09:39 AM
Neil Jung
3 Mar 2015, 08:54 AM
Reading this thread certainly shows that familiarity breeds contempt. Forrest is just as consistent and a better player than GMS but since he's been here a few years and fans have watched his poorer displays its all some can remember. GMS is going through his honeymoon period after signing for the club. He has done really well but I'm sure if you had watched more than just highlight packages you'd see just how frustrating he could be at UTD. In fact if you go and read their forums you'd see what the opinion of UTD fans on GMS were. Forrest injury problems are frustrating & his form isn't the greatest currently, however, you really have to be wilfully ignoring his good performances to come to the conclusion some on this thread are. I don't get it. Forrest is 23 years old. He's played a lot of games for this club and contributed to big wins and league titles. Yes he could've played more if it wasn't for his injuries but he is incredibly experienced when it comes to playing got our club. He is also very talented. When fit, he'll get more than his fair share of game time & I can only hope we figure out a training regime that benefits him.
Blasphemy.

The one area that GMS is head and shoulders above Forrest, is his work rate. My late Mrs was an Arab season ticket holder and i have seen a lot of the guy, no matter whether he is playing well or not, his work rate is superb, whether it is tracking back or still looking for the ball. I don't think Forrest can compare and if it was a toss up between the two, i would have GMS every time.
And that's why Ronny will prefer him.

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Arjen Robben is 31 and is currently enjoying the best form of his career which is down to his ability to remain injury free. This is a guy who was notorious in his early career of being injury prone. Surprisingly enough he hasn't lost any of his pace but is able to stay fit through an individual training regime. Deila made noises about this earlier in the season with regards to Forrest.
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3 Mar 2015, 11:38 AM
Arjen Robben is 31 and is currently enjoying the best form of his career which is down to his ability to remain injury free. This is a guy who was notorious in his early career of being injury prone. Surprisingly enough he hasn't lost any of his pace but is able to stay fit through an individual training regime. Deila made noises about this earlier in the season with regards to Forrest.
Robben has a great attitude though :thumbsup:
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It helps that Robben is already on the deck before anyone has a chance to kick him.
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Robben rarely relied on pace to beat a defender, close control and trickery beat them.

Forrest is, and I'm not being disrespectful or snide here, a one trick pony to a large extent. He knocks the ball past the defender and leaves him for dust. But now that his pace, and more importantly his burst of acceleration, is nowhere near what he was he doesn't seem to be able to beat a full back down the line anymore. It's been that way for nearly two seasons now.
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3 Mar 2015, 01:52 PM
Robben rarely relied on pace to beat a defender, close control and trickery beat them.

Forrest is, and I'm not being disrespectful or snide here, a one trick pony to a large extent. He knocks the ball past the defender and leaves him for dust. But now that his pace, and more importantly his burst of acceleration, is nowhere near what he was he doesn't seem to be able to beat a full back down the line anymore. It's been that way for nearly two seasons now.
So that wasn't him that burned a full back early in the season (DU iirc) and pulled it back for a goal (and did his hamstring in the process)?
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3 Mar 2015, 01:52 PM
Robben rarely relied on pace to beat a defender, close control and trickery beat them.

Forrest is, and I'm not being disrespectful or snide here, a one trick pony to a large extent. He knocks the ball past the defender and leaves him for dust. But now that his pace, and more importantly his burst of acceleration, is nowhere near what he was he doesn't seem to be able to beat a full back down the line anymore. It's been that way for nearly two seasons now.
So that wasn't him that burned a full back early in the season (DU iirc) and pulled it back for a goal (and did his hamstring in the process)?
That's precisely my concern with him. He never seems to run flat out anymore and when he does he pulls up.

That and the fact that he was hiding against Inter, which has nothing to do with him playing in an unfamiliar position.

I like James. I wouldn't get rid of him. But there are legitimate concerns about him which aren't dispelled by the fact that he pulled a hammy the last time he sprinted by a full back.
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remy mcswain
3 Mar 2015, 01:53 PM
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Robben rarely relied on pace to beat a defender, close control and trickery beat them.

Forrest is, and I'm not being disrespectful or snide here, a one trick pony to a large extent. He knocks the ball past the defender and leaves him for dust. But now that his pace, and more importantly his burst of acceleration, is nowhere near what he was he doesn't seem to be able to beat a full back down the line anymore. It's been that way for nearly two seasons now.
So that wasn't him that burned a full back early in the season (DU iirc) and pulled it back for a goal (and did his hamstring in the process)?
Forrest was in the middle of the park when he pulled his hamstring against DU.
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I think Forrest's current problem is down to a lack of confidence in his body. He seems scared to use his acceleration for fear that he is going to injure himself again.

That confidence will more than likely return so I wouldn't give up on him just yet. He needs a proper run of games, even in the development squad, to prove things to himself.
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Got to love KDS, we are discussing James Forrest and Arjen Robben is popped in there! Fantastic, demented but Fantastic. :thumbsup:
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