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James Forrest; he's awright so he is.
Topic Started: 26 Feb 2015, 09:19 PM (517,936 Views)
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effing laughable
Hayes scored something like 4 league goals in a full season. A half fit Forrest would manage that in around 10-15 appearances, including off the bench.

Anyone who thinks Hayes is close to the player that Forrest can be isn't watching.
For raw talent Forrest is better than Hayes but for heart, determination, fitness and psychologically stronger Hayes is by a distance the better option, if I had a choice of one Hayes wins it all day everyday, all the stars need to be aligned to get anything from Jamesy, you might get the odd 9/10 from him in a big bag of 4s 5s & 6s while with Hayes you'll get a constant 7/10 from him
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I watched martin hayes years ago.not that good.
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:lol: aye no bother, if only we had your eye for a player mate.

Forrest has delivered sweet eff all for a long period of time now. Hayes is no world beater but the difference between him and Forrest isn't that marked anymore. Aye, Forrest had a huge amount of potential but his attitude is shampooe compared to Hayes. A "half-fit" Forrest existed last year and scored less goals than Hayes. He's been half-fit in other seasons and got nowhere near close to this mark, also.

His best was 9 in 43, which is a good return granted. His average is less so. Hayes' best was 10 in 44, so take your pick.

Shouldn't just judge someone on goals in a season, too, smacks as someone who isn't watching when you do that ;) .
There is a myth surrounding Hayes, and half that Aberdeen team, he isn't half as effective as some make out. He might be the best they have, but that isn't saying much

Forrest isn't the only player who imploded under Deila given his constant tinkering with his line up.

Love him or hate him, he's a better player than Hayes if he's played and fit.

Personally I couldn't give a flying one if he stays or goes.
What's Ronny Deila got to do with Forrest being shampoo?
He actually helped him get fit and tried to improve him.
Blaming Ronny for Forrests failings is absolutely ridiculous :lol:
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30 May 2016, 06:06 PM
Rodgers will play him wide of a front three on the left, cutting in while the left back provides the width. Roberts will be on the right with Grif leading the line.
He won't - griffiths will be shunted out wider and a new striker brought in
BR has never really done that before. You had a look at his updated dossier?
Of course I've not. While we are asking stupid and unnecessary questions have you had a look?

There's a thing called an opinion and thats my opinion. It's usually how a message board works. Folk usually form opinions without fear of some jumped up Internet hard man coming out with sarcastic nonsense
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Hayes scored something like 4 league goals in a full season. A half fit Forrest would manage that in around 10-15 appearances, including off the bench.

Anyone who thinks Hayes is close to the player that Forrest can be isn't watching.
For raw talent Forrest is better than Hayes but for heart, determination, fitness and psychologically stronger Hayes is by a distance the better option, if I had a choice of one Hayes wins it all day everyday, all the stars need to be aligned to get anything from Jamesy, you might get the odd 9/10 from him in a big bag of 4s 5s & 6s while with Hayes you'll get a constant 7/10 from him
7/10? Every week?

In that free flowing goal scoring Aberdeen team? The goal assist column for Hayes must be huge right enough as he only got 4 himself all year. They finished on +14 goals.
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For raw talent Forrest is better than Hayes but for heart, determination, fitness and psychologically stronger Hayes is by a distance the better option, if I had a choice of one Hayes wins it all day everyday, all the stars need to be aligned to get anything from Jamesy, you might get the odd 9/10 from him in a big bag of 4s 5s & 6s while with Hayes you'll get a constant 7/10 from him
7/10? Every week?

In that free flowing goal scoring Aberdeen team? The goal assist column for Hayes must be huge right enough as he only got 4 himself all year. They finished on +14 goals.
And the goals and assist stats for James in a far more attacking , higher scoring team impress you ?

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Hayes is a decent player most of the time.
Forrest is a very good player some times and utter shampooe most of the time.

Forrests main issue is the position he plays. Wingers come in and out of form more often than other positions. Its probably the toughest position on the pitch and you need to find your way into the game as opposed to the game coming to you in the way it does in centre mid, for example. Forrest is suffering mentally for loads of reasons and that is his biggest barrier. If he can get his head right, he could be a very good player for celtic but theres just no evidence to show he has it in him. I dont know him personally but he strikes me as the type that would like to be the big fish in a smaller pond, whereas at celtic, he'll never be that. Time for him to move on for his own good actually.
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^^^ and by decent, in no way does that mean hayes is good enough for us.
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7/10? Every week?

In that free flowing goal scoring Aberdeen team? The goal assist column for Hayes must be huge right enough as he only got 4 himself all year. They finished on +14 goals.
And the goals and assist stats for James in a far more attacking , higher scoring team impress you ?

Of the top of my head, I'd say we have played at least half a dozen players in the wide positions this season, with no-one getting a run.

All of them (Armstrong, GMS, McGregor, Stokes, Commons, Forrest) had either dips in form, confidence or issues which meant they were hooked.

Wide players need to be confident enough to try things, possibly fail, but be secure enough to know that they have the managers back and won't be dropped. The only player who got that break this year was Roberts.

Hayes went through the whole season, along with McGinn, played some absolute howlers and was kept in place. I'd say that's largely down to resource rather than anything else.

Forrest doesn't impress me particularly - I posted earlier that I couldn't give a flying one if he stays or goes - the point that was raised was that he wouldn't get into Aberdeen's team, or displace Hayes. I'd suggest that Hayes in our squad, would get chewed up and swallowed and would give the impression that he was a shadow of the player he was at Aberdeen, when in fact he'd be every bit of the player he was there and join the list of lower level players who think they can hack it here.
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Forrest's problem has been his injuries. I can't blame the guy for losing huge amounts of confidence in his own ability to recover and stay fit but he really needs to make some sort of change. Maybe a change of club would do it or maybe the new coaches coming in will help but he's got talent.

I watched a bit of Class of '92 last night. Their youth coach talking about a couple of players who were just as if not more talented that some of the main group, yet didn't make it because of their attitude. They just weren't willing to make the sacrifices needed. I wonder if that still applies to wee Jamsey even though he's reached a very high level, I don't think anyone would think he's even come close to reaching his potential.
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Anyone who thinks Hayes is close to the player that Forrest can be isn't watching.
But that's the problem. We're still talking about the player he "can" be. He's almost 25...

He's only 4 months older than Scott Allan and everyone keeps going on about his potential.
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I really hope Jamesy gets a decent chance under Rodgers and is convinced to stay.
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"potential"

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Forrest is more Short & Scheidty, tbh.
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BR has never really done that before. You had a look at his updated dossier?
Of course I've not. While we are asking stupid and unnecessary questions have you had a look?

There's a thing called an opinion and thats my opinion. It's usually how a message board works. Folk usually form opinions without fear of some jumped up Internet hard man coming out with sarcastic nonsense
"Internet hard man" :lol: away you go ya moody clown. Whether you told me that in person or on here, it's a stupid effing idea and would have been met with the same response regardless. Was taking the piss a bit, should have realized I was talking to one of the most sour-faced pumpkins on here :thumbsup: . Funny how you're greeting here about 'sarcastic nonsense' when your post was tinged with it btw :lol: .

Your opinion is shampooe btw. I asked if you'd seen his dossier because your opinion was that effing daft I figured you must have an inkling as to what he's gonna do, otherwise why would anyone but a buffoon suggest moving a 40-goal striker wide left? I've not had a look at his dossier, nah, but I doubt it involves shifting his best striker to a foreign position...
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31 May 2016, 07:59 AM
^^^ and by decent, in no way does that mean hayes is good enough for us.
He's not. He would be lost at our club.
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Of course I've not. While we are asking stupid and unnecessary questions have you had a look?

There's a thing called an opinion and thats my opinion. It's usually how a message board works. Folk usually form opinions without fear of some jumped up Internet hard man coming out with sarcastic nonsense
"Internet hard man" :lol: away you go ya moody clown. Whether you told me that in person or on here, it's a stupid effing idea and would have been met with the same response regardless. Was taking the piss a bit, should have realized I was talking to one of the most sour-faced pumpkins on here :thumbsup: . Funny how you're greeting here about 'sarcastic nonsense' when your post was tinged with it btw :lol: .

Your opinion is shampooe btw. I asked if you'd seen his dossier because your opinion was that effing daft I figured you must have an inkling as to what he's gonna do, otherwise why would anyone but a buffoon suggest moving a 40-goal striker wide left? I've not had a look at his dossier, nah, but I doubt it involves shifting his best striker to a foreign position...
where was my post tinged with sarcasm? my opinion is Griffiths will be played out wide next year based on, again my opinion, he isn't good enough for European competition and br will want to improve on that area.
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Do you reckon? His improvement's been pretty consistent so far, nothing to say he can't be serviceable for us in Europe in the future. He might not be, you could be totally right, but I don't think we'll get a striker who scores lots for us in Europe anyway.
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