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9 Oct 2016, 11:28 AM
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Gordon Parks not a happy man. Putting a downer on young Karamoko Dembele playing and how the pressure is on him to maintain it and how one of the bigger boys will surely clatter him, soon. Karamoko Dembele playing in the Celtic Under-20 side is a step too far for a thirteen year old - Gordon ParksSpoiler: click to toggle GORDONPARKS QUESTIONS must be asked abut why the Hoops chose to move their youngster up SEVEN levels to compete against boys who are performing for a working wage. WEE Karamoko Dembele is the kid who could do 100 keepy-uppies from age five. But something in the gut left an uneasy feeling when asked to digest the news a 13-year-old was being thrown into an Under-20s match. Scotland’s children’s commissioner Tam Baillie has had his say on the health and safety side of the debate. But there’s a more basic point to make to anyone who believes a third year pupil playing against men should be taken with a pinch of salt. The Development League doesn’t have a special rule for making sure prodigies are allowed to strut their talents without being given the usual full-blooded introduction to pro football. Talking to a youth coach this week about the hullabaloo confirmed my fears about Dembele’s debut. Exceptional kids should get the chance to flourish but performing seven age groups above yourself is a step too far. It’s all well and good being able to drift by your peers as if they aren’t there but youth football is a million miles removed from confronting boys who are performing for a working wage. Every dressing room I’ve been in had a tactic reserved for opponents labelled special talents – and it was letting them know as soon as possible that they were in a game. That nobody opted to do it to wee Karamoko on Monday night is down to good fortune rather than the third year pupil’s fleetness of foot. But if Celtic continue to parade Dembele at this level then you can be sure it’s coming his way. Celtic said Dembele was chosen on merit. Sorry but it’s disingenuous at best, a cheap publicity stunt at worst. Isn’t their Under-15 or 17 side a more considered step up rather than a somewhat stage-managed outing as a second-half sub? YouTube clips of Karamoko’s outrageous skills have made this kid the talk of the steamie but we have all seen this movie before. Michael McGlinchey was paraded at Celtic Park aged 15 after knocking back Manchester United but he played one first-team game. Martin O’Neill and the late Tommy Burns turned up at his house with flowers for his mum to win him over. But when I spoke to Michael about it four years ago, he said: “From my experience it’s hard to maintain the hype.” Those nine minutes in Greenock propelled Dembele into a different ball game – the odds are stacked against him keeping it up. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/opinion/sport/karamoko-dembele-playing-celtic-under-9005448 That just confirms that Gordon Parks log in on here is Slippy67
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9 Oct 2016, 11:47 AM
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While I get the reasoning behind playing this boy in 20's (to add extra 0's on the end of fee we get and to attract attention of the other big clubs rather than just the English who are hovering) it doesn't sit right that Celtic as a club should be putting pounds ahead of the safety of the boy.
I get he's incredibly gifted but his body hasn't developed as much as his talent and should some 19, 20 or even first team player cemented him or even fell with 14 or 15 stone landing on the boys knee then would that have been worth the extra money?
Not to mention the ridiculous attention the kid will now be getting which he might not be able to cope with.
Surely this is another example of the Celtic business being put in front of the Celtic 'family'/ good of the boy
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9 Oct 2016, 11:53 AM
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He played 8 minutes of a match he would never have featured in if the team wasn't bare due to internationals. Christ if we weren't winning 3-1 I still doubt he would have featured.
It was a learning curve for the kid and he will rightly go back to ripping the under 16's repeated new arseholes.
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9 Oct 2016, 06:44 PM
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Former prodigy Paul George has signed for Ballarat Red Devils in Australia.
Funny how he and McGlinchey both signed their contracts on the pitch and both ended up heading to the other side of the world in search of a team.
Take note Karamoko...
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9 Oct 2016, 07:10 PM
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Dembele "relevant"
Turkish 14 year old gets his first team for Galatasaray debut against Levski Sofia
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/1940281/mustafa-kapi-galatasarays-14-year-old-sensation-last-night-made-his-senior-debut-against-levski-sofia-and-he-was-born-in-2002/
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9 Oct 2016, 07:17 PM
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Is that even legal?
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9 Oct 2016, 07:21 PM
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Is that even legal? it was a friendly
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9 Oct 2016, 07:34 PM
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Can I have 12 bottles of bleach please?
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Former prodigy Paul George has signed for Ballarat Red Devils in Australia.
Funny how he and McGlinchey both signed their contracts on the pitch and both ended up heading to the other side of the world in search of a team.
Take note Karamoko... Yip. Hopefully he signs his contract in the lavvy.
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9 Oct 2016, 07:35 PM
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Every dressing room I’ve been in had a tactic reserved for opponents labelled special talents – and it was letting them know as soon as possible that they were in a game.
Everything wrong with Scottish football neatly wrapped up in a sentence.
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9 Oct 2016, 10:34 PM
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Exactly. The whole crux of the argument is that a grown man will inevitably and deliberately halve a child. Why is that assumed and accepted?
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Only Celtic and Scotland as a wider society of clowns would have a good news story like this as a bad thing and drag up child exploitation and how we scout players. This is why we will remain a sporting backwater. Ive said it before we start our kids too late in this country. One example ill use is pretty dangerous sport in skiing. I was feeling all pleased with myself as a teenager rattlign down the Jean Claude Killy olympic run in Val d'Isere when out of nowhere a group of weans all attached to a bungee come tearing down this olynpic run leaving me for dead. Amazed i asked several folk about this and the response from the Ski School of France was as soon as they can stand they put them on skis and start to train them. At a 5/6 they are already more competent than most adult holiday makers from the UK.
Other ccountries adopt the "if they are good enough they are old enough" and also the mindset that training, discipline and dedication from an early age is key. We are obvioulsy doing things right though as we are the leaders of the development of young talent accross the sporting world and should leave them till they are way behind their peers worldwide.
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10 Oct 2016, 06:06 PM
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Every dressing room I’ve been in had a tactic reserved for opponents labelled special talents – and it was letting them know as soon as possible that they were in a game.
Everything wrong with Scottish football neatly wrapped up in a sentence. And why our national team is stuck in the dark ages with Messrs Hutton,Hanley,still getting picked
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10 Oct 2016, 10:54 PM
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Only in Scotland (and with the team concerned being Celtic) could the story of a hugely promising 13 year old kid getting a (very) brief run-out in an U-20 game be twisted and perverted into a anecdote about child exploitation! What glue does this Gordon Parks guy sniff?
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11 Oct 2016, 01:00 AM
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ISLAM FERUZ would never claim to be a role model for Karamoko Dembele. But he definitely knows the potential pitfalls on the road to a successful career in football. And he hopes 13-year-old Celtic sensation Dembele does a better job of avoiding them than he did. Spoiler: click to toggle Former Hoops starlet Feruz first burst on to the scene in 2009 aged 14 in a memorial game for the late, great Tommy Burns. But he angered Bhoys chiefs two years later when he signed a lucrative contract with Chelsea. Feruz is still with the Stamford Bridge club, but has had several loan moves, the latest being with Belgian side Excel Mouscron. His career hasn’t hit the heights it was expected to. But he has just turned 21 and remains confident of fulfilling his potential. Feruz is also aware of the hype surrounding Dembele and wants to see the youngster progress and flourish at Celtic Park. Major European clubs are already being tipped to try and prize him away, but Feruz has urged the teenager to ignore any advances and focus on football. He said: “I’ve heard about young Dembele and I’ve been told he has a genuine chance to go all the way. It takes me back seven or eight years ago. “The main thing is to stay focused and concentrate on football. If he keeps doing what he has been doing, he will continue to improve. “If he keeps progressing at this speed, who knows what he will be ready to achieve at 16? “I hope he stays with Celtic, plays for their first team and score lots of goals. Never forget that playing football makes you happy. “If he does that the next steps will be a natural progression. He will not need to chase anything or rush into anything. He just has to keep his head down, stay focused and not be distracted. That’s the best advice I can give him. “I remember it all just seemed to happen at once and hit me overnight. There was so much publicity. It was very hard to handle. “It’s hard to cope when you are so young. It’s easy to put your faith in other people and it becomes easy to lose focus on football. “People will now want to get involved with him and, no doubt, promise plenty. People will try to sweet talk him. But you must trust your family and stick to football. “It’s easy to become distracted and lose sight of the necessary development required on and off the field. The people of Scotland, in every walk of life, must try to protect him. I wish him luck.” Originally from Somalia, controversy has followed Feruz since he quit Scotland and he has been at the centre of many misdemeanours. Most coaches and managers he has worked with have labelled him a Billy Big Time with a poor attitude that overshadows his ability. Having spent time in his company, he appears to be maturing and is not afraid to hold his hands up. He won’t try to defend himself against every accusation, but he has rarely chosen to give his side of any story. Feruz added: “I’m not going into every detail, but if I could turn the clock back I would definitely have stayed at Celtic for longer. “Listen, I had my head turned at 15 years of age. I didn’t realise there was money involved in football. I just played football for the love of the game. “There is no doubting my ability as a footballer. I’m only 21. What I have to do is show everyone I have matured. “There are many things in my life I’d do differently. Yes, I’ve done things I’m not proud of. “Thankfully, I have a few very good people around me now, two of whom are Amadou Anglade and Brian Wilson. They are wise men and they have different life experiences. I am wiser, learning from them and moving in the right direction.” http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/celtic/7246280/Islam-Feruz-My-head-was-turned-at-15I-hope-Kara-Dembele-doesnt-take-eye-off-ball.html
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11 Oct 2016, 01:41 AM
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I think we should all forgive Islam now.
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11 Oct 2016, 03:23 AM
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I think we should all forgive Islam now. Maybe give him a contract and all the first team players boots aswell
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11 Oct 2016, 07:10 AM
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ISLAM FERUZ would never claim to be a role model for Karamoko Dembele. But he definitely knows the potential pitfalls on the road to a successful career in football. And he hopes 13-year-old Celtic sensation Dembele does a better job of avoiding them than he did. Spoiler: click to toggle Former Hoops starlet Feruz first burst on to the scene in 2009 aged 14 in a memorial game for the late, great Tommy Burns. But he angered Bhoys chiefs two years later when he signed a lucrative contract with Chelsea. Feruz is still with the Stamford Bridge club, but has had several loan moves, the latest being with Belgian side Excel Mouscron. His career hasn’t hit the heights it was expected to. But he has just turned 21 and remains confident of fulfilling his potential. Feruz is also aware of the hype surrounding Dembele and wants to see the youngster progress and flourish at Celtic Park. Major European clubs are already being tipped to try and prize him away, but Feruz has urged the teenager to ignore any advances and focus on football. He said: “I’ve heard about young Dembele and I’ve been told he has a genuine chance to go all the way. It takes me back seven or eight years ago. “The main thing is to stay focused and concentrate on football. If he keeps doing what he has been doing, he will continue to improve. “If he keeps progressing at this speed, who knows what he will be ready to achieve at 16? “I hope he stays with Celtic, plays for their first team and score lots of goals. Never forget that playing football makes you happy. “If he does that the next steps will be a natural progression. He will not need to chase anything or rush into anything. He just has to keep his head down, stay focused and not be distracted. That’s the best advice I can give him. “I remember it all just seemed to happen at once and hit me overnight. There was so much publicity. It was very hard to handle. “It’s hard to cope when you are so young. It’s easy to put your faith in other people and it becomes easy to lose focus on football. “People will now want to get involved with him and, no doubt, promise plenty. People will try to sweet talk him. But you must trust your family and stick to football. “It’s easy to become distracted and lose sight of the necessary development required on and off the field. The people of Scotland, in every walk of life, must try to protect him. I wish him luck.” Originally from Somalia, controversy has followed Feruz since he quit Scotland and he has been at the centre of many misdemeanours. Most coaches and managers he has worked with have labelled him a Billy Big Time with a poor attitude that overshadows his ability. Having spent time in his company, he appears to be maturing and is not afraid to hold his hands up. He won’t try to defend himself against every accusation, but he has rarely chosen to give his side of any story. Feruz added: “I’m not going into every detail, but if I could turn the clock back I would definitely have stayed at Celtic for longer. “Listen, I had my head turned at 15 years of age. I didn’t realise there was money involved in football. I just played football for the love of the game. “There is no doubting my ability as a footballer. I’m only 21. What I have to do is show everyone I have matured. “There are many things in my life I’d do differently. Yes, I’ve done things I’m not proud of. “Thankfully, I have a few very good people around me now, two of whom are Amadou Anglade and Brian Wilson. They are wise men and they have different life experiences. I am wiser, learning from them and moving in the right direction.” http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/celtic/7246280/Islam-Feruz-My-head-was-turned-at-15I-hope-Kara-Dembele-doesnt-take-eye-off-ball.html
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“Thankfully, I have a few very good people around me now, two of whom are Amadou Anglade and Brian Wilson. They are wise men and they have different life experiences. I am wiser, learning from them and moving in the right direction.”
Hmmm. These two arent agents are they?
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11 Oct 2016, 07:23 AM
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I think we should all forgive Islam now.
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ISLAM FERUZ would never claim to be a role model for Karamoko Dembele. But he definitely knows the potential pitfalls on the road to a successful career in football. And he hopes 13-year-old Celtic sensation Dembele does a better job of avoiding them than he did. Spoiler: click to toggle Former Hoops starlet Feruz first burst on to the scene in 2009 aged 14 in a memorial game for the late, great Tommy Burns. But he angered Bhoys chiefs two years later when he signed a lucrative contract with Chelsea. Feruz is still with the Stamford Bridge club, but has had several loan moves, the latest being with Belgian side Excel Mouscron. His career hasn’t hit the heights it was expected to. But he has just turned 21 and remains confident of fulfilling his potential. Feruz is also aware of the hype surrounding Dembele and wants to see the youngster progress and flourish at Celtic Park. Major European clubs are already being tipped to try and prize him away, but Feruz has urged the teenager to ignore any advances and focus on football. He said: “I’ve heard about young Dembele and I’ve been told he has a genuine chance to go all the way. It takes me back seven or eight years ago. “The main thing is to stay focused and concentrate on football. If he keeps doing what he has been doing, he will continue to improve. “If he keeps progressing at this speed, who knows what he will be ready to achieve at 16? “I hope he stays with Celtic, plays for their first team and score lots of goals. Never forget that playing football makes you happy. “If he does that the next steps will be a natural progression. He will not need to chase anything or rush into anything. He just has to keep his head down, stay focused and not be distracted. That’s the best advice I can give him. “I remember it all just seemed to happen at once and hit me overnight. There was so much publicity. It was very hard to handle. “It’s hard to cope when you are so young. It’s easy to put your faith in other people and it becomes easy to lose focus on football. “People will now want to get involved with him and, no doubt, promise plenty. People will try to sweet talk him. But you must trust your family and stick to football. “It’s easy to become distracted and lose sight of the necessary development required on and off the field. The people of Scotland, in every walk of life, must try to protect him. I wish him luck.” Originally from Somalia, controversy has followed Feruz since he quit Scotland and he has been at the centre of many misdemeanours. Most coaches and managers he has worked with have labelled him a Billy Big Time with a poor attitude that overshadows his ability. Having spent time in his company, he appears to be maturing and is not afraid to hold his hands up. He won’t try to defend himself against every accusation, but he has rarely chosen to give his side of any story. Feruz added: “I’m not going into every detail, but if I could turn the clock back I would definitely have stayed at Celtic for longer. “Listen, I had my head turned at 15 years of age. I didn’t realise there was money involved in football. I just played football for the love of the game. “There is no doubting my ability as a footballer. I’m only 21. What I have to do is show everyone I have matured. “There are many things in my life I’d do differently. Yes, I’ve done things I’m not proud of. “Thankfully, I have a few very good people around me now, two of whom are Amadou Anglade and Brian Wilson. They are wise men and they have different life experiences. I am wiser, learning from them and moving in the right direction.” http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/celtic/7246280/Islam-Feruz-My-head-was-turned-at-15I-hope-Kara-Dembele-doesnt-take-eye-off-ball.html
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“Thankfully, I have a few very good people around me now, two of whom are Amadou Anglade and Brian Wilson. They are wise men and they have different life experiences. I am wiser, learning from them and moving in the right direction.”
Hmmm. These two arent agents are they? God only knows.
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11 Oct 2016, 08:28 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Spoiler: click to toggle Former Hoops starlet Feruz first burst on to the scene in 2009 aged 14 in a memorial game for the late, great Tommy Burns. But he angered Bhoys chiefs two years later when he signed a lucrative contract with Chelsea. Feruz is still with the Stamford Bridge club, but has had several loan moves, the latest being with Belgian side Excel Mouscron. His career hasn’t hit the heights it was expected to. But he has just turned 21 and remains confident of fulfilling his potential. Feruz is also aware of the hype surrounding Dembele and wants to see the youngster progress and flourish at Celtic Park. Major European clubs are already being tipped to try and prize him away, but Feruz has urged the teenager to ignore any advances and focus on football. He said: “I’ve heard about young Dembele and I’ve been told he has a genuine chance to go all the way. It takes me back seven or eight years ago. “The main thing is to stay focused and concentrate on football. If he keeps doing what he has been doing, he will continue to improve. “If he keeps progressing at this speed, who knows what he will be ready to achieve at 16? “I hope he stays with Celtic, plays for their first team and score lots of goals. Never forget that playing football makes you happy. “If he does that the next steps will be a natural progression. He will not need to chase anything or rush into anything. He just has to keep his head down, stay focused and not be distracted. That’s the best advice I can give him. “I remember it all just seemed to happen at once and hit me overnight. There was so much publicity. It was very hard to handle. “It’s hard to cope when you are so young. It’s easy to put your faith in other people and it becomes easy to lose focus on football. “People will now want to get involved with him and, no doubt, promise plenty. People will try to sweet talk him. But you must trust your family and stick to football. “It’s easy to become distracted and lose sight of the necessary development required on and off the field. The people of Scotland, in every walk of life, must try to protect him. I wish him luck.” Originally from Somalia, controversy has followed Feruz since he quit Scotland and he has been at the centre of many misdemeanours. Most coaches and managers he has worked with have labelled him a Billy Big Time with a poor attitude that overshadows his ability. Having spent time in his company, he appears to be maturing and is not afraid to hold his hands up. He won’t try to defend himself against every accusation, but he has rarely chosen to give his side of any story. Feruz added: “I’m not going into every detail, but if I could turn the clock back I would definitely have stayed at Celtic for longer. “Listen, I had my head turned at 15 years of age. I didn’t realise there was money involved in football. I just played football for the love of the game. “There is no doubting my ability as a footballer. I’m only 21. What I have to do is show everyone I have matured. “There are many things in my life I’d do differently. Yes, I’ve done things I’m not proud of. “Thankfully, I have a few very good people around me now, two of whom are Amadou Anglade and Brian Wilson. They are wise men and they have different life experiences. I am wiser, learning from them and moving in the right direction.” http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/celtic/7246280/Islam-Feruz-My-head-was-turned-at-15I-hope-Kara-Dembele-doesnt-take-eye-off-ball.html
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“Thankfully, I have a few very good people around me now, two of whom are Amadou Anglade and Brian Wilson. They are wise men and they have different life experiences. I am wiser, learning from them and moving in the right direction.”
Hmmm. These two arent agents are they?
God only knows. Wouldn't it be nice if he found responsible representation.
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