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Celtic development side
Topic Started: 22 Oct 2014, 09:33 AM (448,939 Views)
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williebhoy
5 Oct 2016, 12:32 PM
I'm certain that Hamilton Accies included an 14 year old Goalkeeper in their U20s side last season or the season before for a few games....he has since signed for Celtic

Also see that a young Irish keeper we had Alex Crean has now signed for Arsenal, best of luck to the guy, only saw him the once and wasn't overly impressed.
You are correct, though he was actually only 13 at the time. Joshua Rae signed from Hamilton about two and a half years ago and had made a 6 minute appearance for their Under 20 team.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26480459


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5 Oct 2016, 02:33 PM
Milton
5 Oct 2016, 01:41 PM
15 stone youth players. Feck sake. :lmao:
For context, Bobo Balde was between 13 and 14 stones and John Hartson was around 15 at his heaviest for us! :lol:
First team players play in development games.watched Christian Nade played for Stranraer development and is easy 14 stone if he's a pun.

There is interest in the boy from English clubs and as much as I'd love nothing better than this boy to stay at Celtic the reality is we'll be lucky to have kept hold of him by this time next year.

Motherwell had interest in a young boy last year from Liverpool, Southampton plus more last year and as soon as interest was there boy got pushed up to development squad & got 9 mins.

The other Celtic sub the other night was the boy McGrath who we paid money for from Hibs, again as soon as Celtic & English clubs were enquiring about him he was in development squad at 14/15. McGrath is a big bit of a boy who can step up physically as he's big for age.

The money that English clubs are willing to spend will be more than most SPFL clubs spend on first team.

ps- I'm 18 stone & still wouldn't like big bobo or BBJ landing on me



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4 Oct 2016, 07:26 PM
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4 Oct 2016, 05:05 PM
Would that be the book they specifically give "great deal of credit" to in the article .... ;)
I have read that before, about the early birthday thing, it was in an article on ice hockey players in the USA/Canada, there were stats on how many were born in the first four months of year, can't recall the exact details but made me realise that being born in August was the reason I can't hit a coo's ass with a banjo :lol: In a way, makes you feel a bit better about yourself, not being any good at football, it was pre-destined rather than anything I did wrong myself...
weird because many of the top players in the nhl draft in the past 12 years were late birthdays.

Ovechkin 04 1st overall September
Malkin 04 2nd overall July
Crosby 05 1st overall August
Kessel 06 5th overall October-would have gone 2nd in 05 if eligible
Kane 07 1st overall November
Doughty 08 2nd overall November
Tavares 09 1st overall September
Hedman 09 2nd overall December
Hall 10 1st overall November
Tarasenko 10 16th overall December-would have been drafted much earlier if he were not a Russian.
Landeskog 11 2nd overall November
Larsson 11 4th overall November
Yakupov 12 1st overall October
Murray 12 2nd overall September
MacKinnon 13 1st overall September
Barkov 13 2nd overall September
Jones 13 4th overall October
Lindholm 13 5th overall December
Monahan 13 6th overall October
Reinhart 14 2nd overall November
Draisaitl 14 3rd overall October
Eichel 15 2nd overall October
Matthews 16 1st overall September
Tkachuk 16 6th overall December

Seems like most North American star prospects in the past 10-15 years were late birthdays. Typically these kids are held back academically until the next age group. Most of these players were hyped since they were young so id say if your that talented it really doesnt matter when you are born when it comes to the elite players.
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Gallowgate
5 Oct 2016, 02:49 PM
williebhoy
5 Oct 2016, 12:32 PM
I'm certain that Hamilton Accies included an 14 year old Goalkeeper in their U20s side last season or the season before for a few games....he has since signed for Celtic

Also see that a young Irish keeper we had Alex Crean has now signed for Arsenal, best of luck to the guy, only saw him the once and wasn't overly impressed.
You are correct, though he was actually only 13 at the time. Joshua Rae signed from Hamilton about two and a half years ago and had made a 6 minute appearance for their Under 20 team.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26480459


Mark Hill was in the same boat and is now playing for the u20s regularly and I believe in the Scotland U19's

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/17886208
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Time to disband the whole setup, Celtic bad!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37571868
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Did the Childrens commisoner make calls for regulation when Hamilton played their youngsters in reserve games?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37571868

Children's commissioner warning on football 'child exploitation'

50 minutes ago
From the section Scotland

Scotland's children's commissioner has called for regulation to stop the exploitation of children by professional football clubs.

Tam Baillie said a "wait and see" approach was no longer appropriate.

His comments follow the decision by Celtic to feature 13-year-old Karamoko Dembele in its under-20 side against Hearts on Monday.

Bookmaker Ladbrokes has since apologised for taking bets on the child's future prospects.

Dembele, who was born in London in 2003 and whose parents come from Ivory Coast, joined Celtic in July 2013.

Since then he has been fast-tracked to appear with players seven years his senior.
'Commodification of children'

Following his appearance on Monday, SPFL sponsor Ladbrokes began offering odds of 7/4 on him becoming the youngest Celtic player in history.

However, the firm has since apologised and written to Mr Baillie saying it has closed the book on him and taken no bets.

In a statement the bookmaker said: "We have written to the children's commissioner this morning, and informed the SPFL of our letter, confirming that no bets were taken on this market before it was removed and to reaffirm our commitment to responsible gambling.

We've still got examples of 15-year-olds being held on three-year contracts against their will in some instances
Tam Baillie, Children's commissioner

"We have also sought to clarify that there was no intention of encouraging the commodification of children in Scottish football and have apologised for any offence inadvertently caused."

On its website, Celtic FC said "the teenager didn't look out of place" on the pitch on Monday, despite his markedly smaller frame.

The club added: "What we need to remember, though, is that Karamoko is just 13-years-old. He was given a chance to play last night on merit... it is very important that we continue their development at a measured pace."

Baillie, the Children and Young People's Commissioner, told BBC Scotland's Good Morning Scotland programme: "There's very longstanding concern with regard to how a professional football clubs treat our children.

"We've still got examples of 15-year-olds being held on three-year contracts against their will in some instances.


"You've got instances where those contracts pay a pound a week and I believe that HMRC, revenue and customs, have taken an interest in this, and you've got reports that talk about transfers of children, which is quite contrary to any SFA rules."
'Exert sufficient regulation'

Mr Baillie said there were too many youngsters involved in the club academy system who would never go on to make it as professionals.

He added: "Really the clubs, to some extent, are trading on the dreams and aspirations of those children and young people. But at the end of the day they are exploiting them for monetary gain."

Mr Baillie said the issue was currently the subject of a petition going through the Scottish Parliament.

He said the Scottish government had adopted a "wait and see" approach which was no longer appropriate.

He said: "I think that time has passed for waiting and seeing, and what we need is some action. I've suggested that it requires external regulation because it looks as if the football authorities are not capable of or not willing to exert sufficient regulation for the protection of our children involved at this very young age."
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6 Oct 2016, 11:40 AM
Time to disband the whole setup, Celtic bad!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37571868
beat me to it :)
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Stop kids playing football - it's exploitation

:tirade: :carpark: :pitchfork:

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Milton
5 Oct 2016, 01:41 PM
15 stone youth players. Feck sake. :lmao:
:lol:

Off topic but did notice that whatever legend it is that's on the Jock Stein stand inbetween McStay and Lambert was carrying a bit of beef.
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reilly76
6 Oct 2016, 11:43 AM
Did the Childrens commisoner make calls for regulation when Hamilton played their youngsters in reserve games?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37571868

Children's commissioner warning on football 'child exploitation'

50 minutes ago
From the section Scotland

Scotland's children's commissioner has called for regulation to stop the exploitation of children by professional football clubs.

Tam Baillie said a "wait and see" approach was no longer appropriate.

His comments follow the decision by Celtic to feature 13-year-old Karamoko Dembele in its under-20 side against Hearts on Monday.

Bookmaker Ladbrokes has since apologised for taking bets on the child's future prospects.

Dembele, who was born in London in 2003 and whose parents come from Ivory Coast, joined Celtic in July 2013.

Since then he has been fast-tracked to appear with players seven years his senior.
'Commodification of children'

Following his appearance on Monday, SPFL sponsor Ladbrokes began offering odds of 7/4 on him becoming the youngest Celtic player in history.

However, the firm has since apologised and written to Mr Baillie saying it has closed the book on him and taken no bets.

In a statement the bookmaker said: "We have written to the children's commissioner this morning, and informed the SPFL of our letter, confirming that no bets were taken on this market before it was removed and to reaffirm our commitment to responsible gambling.

We've still got examples of 15-year-olds being held on three-year contracts against their will in some instances
Tam Baillie, Children's commissioner

"We have also sought to clarify that there was no intention of encouraging the commodification of children in Scottish football and have apologised for any offence inadvertently caused."

On its website, Celtic FC said "the teenager didn't look out of place" on the pitch on Monday, despite his markedly smaller frame.

The club added: "What we need to remember, though, is that Karamoko is just 13-years-old. He was given a chance to play last night on merit... it is very important that we continue their development at a measured pace."

Baillie, the Children and Young People's Commissioner, told BBC Scotland's Good Morning Scotland programme: "There's very longstanding concern with regard to how a professional football clubs treat our children.

"We've still got examples of 15-year-olds being held on three-year contracts against their will in some instances.


"You've got instances where those contracts pay a pound a week and I believe that HMRC, revenue and customs, have taken an interest in this, and you've got reports that talk about transfers of children, which is quite contrary to any SFA rules."
'Exert sufficient regulation'

Mr Baillie said there were too many youngsters involved in the club academy system who would never go on to make it as professionals.

He added: "Really the clubs, to some extent, are trading on the dreams and aspirations of those children and young people. But at the end of the day they are exploiting them for monetary gain."

Mr Baillie said the issue was currently the subject of a petition going through the Scottish Parliament.

He said the Scottish government had adopted a "wait and see" approach which was no longer appropriate.

He said: "I think that time has passed for waiting and seeing, and what we need is some action. I've suggested that it requires external regulation because it looks as if the football authorities are not capable of or not willing to exert sufficient regulation for the protection of our children involved at this very young age."
Not a lawyer but doesn't the Age of Legal Capacity (Scotland) Act 1991 provide a safeguard against players being held on 3 year contracts between 15-18?
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Presumably Tam Baillie is someone you might describe using mild language of limited concern.
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FFS.

It's strange that this has only been raised now, I wonder why....
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I think there could be much bigger issues to take up a childrens commissioners time than a 13 YO getting 10 mins in a meaningless football match.
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6 Oct 2016, 12:48 PM
reilly76
6 Oct 2016, 11:43 AM
Did the Childrens commisoner make calls for regulation when Hamilton played their youngsters in reserve games?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37571868

Children's commissioner warning on football 'child exploitation'

50 minutes ago
From the section Scotland

Scotland's children's commissioner has called for regulation to stop the exploitation of children by professional football clubs.

Tam Baillie said a "wait and see" approach was no longer appropriate.

His comments follow the decision by Celtic to feature 13-year-old Karamoko Dembele in its under-20 side against Hearts on Monday.

Bookmaker Ladbrokes has since apologised for taking bets on the child's future prospects.

Dembele, who was born in London in 2003 and whose parents come from Ivory Coast, joined Celtic in July 2013.

Since then he has been fast-tracked to appear with players seven years his senior.
'Commodification of children'

Following his appearance on Monday, SPFL sponsor Ladbrokes began offering odds of 7/4 on him becoming the youngest Celtic player in history.

However, the firm has since apologised and written to Mr Baillie saying it has closed the book on him and taken no bets.

In a statement the bookmaker said: "We have written to the children's commissioner this morning, and informed the SPFL of our letter, confirming that no bets were taken on this market before it was removed and to reaffirm our commitment to responsible gambling.

We've still got examples of 15-year-olds being held on three-year contracts against their will in some instances
Tam Baillie, Children's commissioner

"We have also sought to clarify that there was no intention of encouraging the commodification of children in Scottish football and have apologised for any offence inadvertently caused."

On its website, Celtic FC said "the teenager didn't look out of place" on the pitch on Monday, despite his markedly smaller frame.

The club added: "What we need to remember, though, is that Karamoko is just 13-years-old. He was given a chance to play last night on merit... it is very important that we continue their development at a measured pace."

Baillie, the Children and Young People's Commissioner, told BBC Scotland's Good Morning Scotland programme: "There's very longstanding concern with regard to how a professional football clubs treat our children.

"We've still got examples of 15-year-olds being held on three-year contracts against their will in some instances.


"You've got instances where those contracts pay a pound a week and I believe that HMRC, revenue and customs, have taken an interest in this, and you've got reports that talk about transfers of children, which is quite contrary to any SFA rules."
'Exert sufficient regulation'

Mr Baillie said there were too many youngsters involved in the club academy system who would never go on to make it as professionals.

He added: "Really the clubs, to some extent, are trading on the dreams and aspirations of those children and young people. But at the end of the day they are exploiting them for monetary gain."

Mr Baillie said the issue was currently the subject of a petition going through the Scottish Parliament.

He said the Scottish government had adopted a "wait and see" approach which was no longer appropriate.

He said: "I think that time has passed for waiting and seeing, and what we need is some action. I've suggested that it requires external regulation because it looks as if the football authorities are not capable of or not willing to exert sufficient regulation for the protection of our children involved at this very young age."
Not a lawyer but doesn't the Age of Legal Capacity (Scotland) Act 1991 provide a safeguard against players being held on 3 year contracts between 15-18?
If they're 15 then they won't have been able to enter into or amend the contract themselves, their parents would have to do so on their behalf.

I also kinda doubt that any contract which insisted that one of the parties to it was unable to bring an end to the contract would ever pass any sort of legal test, so if the kids really don't want to be on these three year contracts then the only people to blame would be their parents who are by implication apparently unwilling to agree an end to the contract on their behalf. Nothing to do with the clubs at all.
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6 Oct 2016, 12:59 PM
Presumably Tam Baillie is someone you might describe using mild language of limited concern.
An apparent predilection for unsolicited press statements would suggest so.
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Gordon Parks not a happy man.
Putting a downer on young Karamoko Dembele playing and how the pressure is on him to maintain it and how one of the bigger boys will surely clatter him, soon.

Karamoko Dembele playing in the Celtic Under-20 side is a step too far for a thirteen year old - Gordon Parks

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It's been quite a couple of months for youth debuts. Early in October we saw 13-year-old Karamoko Dembele make his bow with the Celtic U20 side, but now, Galatasaray have done one better. On Saturday, 14-year-old Mustafa Kapi made his senior debut with the club.

This isn't a youth or reserve team. This is Kapi going on to the pitch for his SENIOR debut. A kid born in 2002 is playing in a match (a friendly vs. Levski Sofia, but still) for a club that has won a record 20 Super Lig titles in Turkey. A club that has won European Cups. A club that played in the Champions League last season. Yep, that club just put a 14-year-old on the pitch.

That is incredible.

Kapi came on in the 89th minute, so his debut was little more than a cameo. But if you don't think it meant the world to him, look at what his reaction was after the match:
http://www.foxsports.com/soccer/story/a-14-year-old-named-mustafa-kapi-just-made-his-senior-debut-with-galatasaray-100816
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5 Oct 2016, 11:11 AM
While I get the reasoning behind playing this boy in 20's (to add extra 0's on the end of fee we get and to attract attention of the other big clubs rather than just the English who are hovering) it doesn't sit right that Celtic as a club should be putting pounds ahead of the safety of the boy.

I get he's incredibly gifted but his body hasn't developed as much as his talent and should some 19, 20 or even first team player cemented him or even fell with 14 or 15 stone landing on the boys knee then would that have been worth the extra money?

Not to mention the ridiculous attention the kid will now be getting which he might not be able to cope with.

Surely this is another example of the Celtic business being put in front of the Celtic 'family'/ good of the boy
what a load of absolute pish
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Talking to a youth coach this week about the hullabaloo confirmed my fears about Dembele’s debut.


Drivel, as always from this clown.
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