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Celtic development side
Topic Started: 22 Oct 2014, 09:33 AM (449,034 Views)
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9 Dec 2014, 11:27 AM
twardzik has no chance since his injury and was poor in midfield last season at that level. the switching of positions was a last gasp chance for him which obviously wont work

tonev is miles and miles ahead of anyone at that level. again i dont think people realise just how huge the gap is.

mcmullan couldnt lace obriens boots, nowhere near the ability and will have nowhere near the career.

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So what if some of the youth players get five or ten minutes through default. Its still better than watching the crud above them block the passageway.


couldnt disagree more with that statement. i have no interest whatsoever in seeing much much poorer players in our team just because they came through our system rather than getting there on any sort of merit.

again i go back to ronnys "philosophy" and whole idea on how youths should be handled. if a coach like that still doesnt fancy giving any of our lot a runout do you not think that theres a bit more to it than young players not being given a chance?
This O'Brien?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_O'Brien_(footballer)

I bow to your knowledge of our youth team players, but if McMullan (at nigh-on 19 years old) can't lace that chump's boots, he should not still be in the system.

Are our youth players really that bad?
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9 Dec 2014, 06:52 PM
Zurawski 7
9 Dec 2014, 11:27 AM
twardzik has no chance since his injury and was poor in midfield last season at that level. the switching of positions was a last gasp chance for him which obviously wont work

tonev is miles and miles ahead of anyone at that level. again i dont think people realise just how huge the gap is.

mcmullan couldnt lace obriens boots, nowhere near the ability and will have nowhere near the career.

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So what if some of the youth players get five or ten minutes through default. Its still better than watching the crud above them block the passageway.


couldnt disagree more with that statement. i have no interest whatsoever in seeing much much poorer players in our team just because they came through our system rather than getting there on any sort of merit.

again i go back to ronnys "philosophy" and whole idea on how youths should be handled. if a coach like that still doesnt fancy giving any of our lot a runout do you not think that theres a bit more to it than young players not being given a chance?
This O'Brien?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_O'Brien_(footballer)

I bow to your knowledge of our youth team players, but if McMullan (at nigh-on 19 years old) can't lace that chump's boots, he should not still be in the system.

Are our youth players really that bad?
A bit confused with the comparisons with Jim O' Brien myself.
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9 Dec 2014, 06:27 PM
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9 Dec 2014, 11:49 AM
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9 Dec 2014, 11:31 AM
Good to see Ronny talking about Henderson going out on loan in January, it should be a mandatory part of any young player's development at Celtic.
I'd like him to go to Hearts. Good facilities and set up and seem to have a decent manager. He will experience playing under pressure, in front of some good crowds, and will hopefully contribute to winning their league.

What’s not to like?


Wish we could give them a striker too.
Id rather he went to thistle, keeps him close by and they play football the correct way.
As do Dundee
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9 Dec 2014, 07:23 PM
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9 Dec 2014, 06:27 PM
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9 Dec 2014, 11:49 AM

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Id rather he went to thistle, keeps him close by and they play football the correct way.
As do Dundee
Good shout actually
Hartley would be a decent mentor for him
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9 Dec 2014, 06:52 PM
Zurawski 7
9 Dec 2014, 11:27 AM
twardzik has no chance since his injury and was poor in midfield last season at that level. the switching of positions was a last gasp chance for him which obviously wont work

tonev is miles and miles ahead of anyone at that level. again i dont think people realise just how huge the gap is.

mcmullan couldnt lace obriens boots, nowhere near the ability and will have nowhere near the career.

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So what if some of the youth players get five or ten minutes through default. Its still better than watching the crud above them block the passageway.


couldnt disagree more with that statement. i have no interest whatsoever in seeing much much poorer players in our team just because they came through our system rather than getting there on any sort of merit.

again i go back to ronnys "philosophy" and whole idea on how youths should be handled. if a coach like that still doesnt fancy giving any of our lot a runout do you not think that theres a bit more to it than young players not being given a chance?
This O'Brien?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_O'Brien_(footballer)

I bow to your knowledge of our youth team players, but if McMullan (at nigh-on 19 years old) can't lace that chump's boots, he should not still be in the system.

Are our youth players really that bad?
4 seasons in the Championship is better than the vast majority of our youths have/will get.
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Just watched the Youth Cup match against Dundee United and really enjoyed it. A dominating performance away from home against a good side. Thought Henderson and O'Connell were tremendous. Henderson was the games most influential player and I can only recall him misplacing 1 pass all night. O'Connell's ability to pick out a pass into a crowded midfield is very impressive. Special mentions for Thompson's shooting (great goal) and Walter's tackling (the bhoy's no shirker!).
The team really seem to have taken on board Ronny's thinking and are looking like a powerful unit. They aren't doing particularly well in the league, but I wouldn't be surprised if they go on a run now till the end of the season.
Despite some of the negative comments on here, I feel that some of these guys have a chance. Especially with the support of the current coaching and management team.
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9 Dec 2014, 08:01 PM
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9 Dec 2014, 06:52 PM
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9 Dec 2014, 11:27 AM
twardzik has no chance since his injury and was poor in midfield last season at that level. the switching of positions was a last gasp chance for him which obviously wont work

tonev is miles and miles ahead of anyone at that level. again i dont think people realise just how huge the gap is.

mcmullan couldnt lace obriens boots, nowhere near the ability and will have nowhere near the career.


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This O'Brien?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_O'Brien_(footballer)

I bow to your knowledge of our youth team players, but if McMullan (at nigh-on 19 years old) can't lace that chump's boots, he should not still be in the system.

Are our youth players really that bad?
4 seasons in the Championship is better than the vast majority of our youths have/will get.
Which in itself is probably an indictment on our youth system.

The fact that O'Brien played four seasons in the Championship for a terrible Barnsley side does not change the fact that he was never, ever even close to being good enough to play for Celtic. There is a lot of dross in the Championship, including O'Brien. If a 19 year old prospect at Celtic "can't lace O'Brien's boots" that prospect will never be good enough.
Edited by Midfield Maestro, 9 Dec 2014, 08:20 PM.
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celtic are currently trying to sign a kid I used to coach a couple of years ago. He's nothing special, even at boys club level, but he's absolutely massive for his age. This is the 3rd freakishly tall but limited youth I've known Celtic to sign.

It's absolutely astonishing that the club are still pursuing this policy.
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I actually watched O'Brien playing for Scotland schools, believe he signed for Celtic later that week before Chelsea were hoping to snap him up and I said to friends I'd have let Chelsea have him. Also watched him several times with Celtic youths and still held the same opinion.

Developing youth players into first team quality is difficult as so many things can go wrong, attitude, injury or just a loss of interest. Farming them out on loan is an easy cop out unless we put more thought into what the players themselves will gain. I'd prefer to send them to France, Holland, Denmark etc rather than a lower league UK side.
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9 Dec 2014, 08:36 PM
celtic are currently trying to sign a kid I used to coach a couple of years ago. He's nothing special, even at boys club level, but he's absolutely massive for his age. This is the 3rd freakishly tall but limited youth I've known Celtic to sign.

It's absolutely astonishing that the club are still pursuing this policy.
:ffs: That's depressing.
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9 Dec 2014, 08:36 PM
celtic are currently trying to sign a kid I used to coach a couple of years ago. He's nothing special, even at boys club level, but he's absolutely massive for his age. This is the 3rd freakishly tall but limited youth I've known Celtic to sign.

It's absolutely astonishing that the club are still pursuing this policy.
i was talking to a guy who's son had signed pro youth and the club in question were hardly interested in his football ability. he was big, strong and could run. that was all that mattered.
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9 Dec 2014, 08:36 PM
celtic are currently trying to sign a kid I used to coach a couple of years ago. He's nothing special, even at boys club level, but he's absolutely massive for his age. This is the 3rd freakishly tall but limited youth I've known Celtic to sign.

It's absolutely astonishing that the club are still pursuing this policy.
:ffs: That's depressing.
I wouldn't believe Celtic were doing this if I hadn't seen it first hand. it's a definite policy of Celtic's. I don't know what the thinking is behind it, whether they're just trying to just win games at youth level by signing big kids, or whether they've taken a decision that big kids make better players in the future.

Either way, don't believe the hype about Celtic's approach at youth level, it might be well-funded but there's some unsophisticated thinking behind their recruitment.
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celtic are currently trying to sign a kid I used to coach a couple of years ago. He's nothing special, even at boys club level, but he's absolutely massive for his age. This is the 3rd freakishly tall but limited youth I've known Celtic to sign.

It's absolutely astonishing that the club are still pursuing this policy.
:ffs: That's depressing.
I wouldn't believe Celtic were doing this if I hadn't seen it first hand. it's a definite policy of Celtic's. I don't know what the thinking is behind it, whether they're just trying to just win games at youth level by signing big kids, or whether they've taken a decision that big kids make better players in the future.

Either way, don't believe the hype about Celtic's approach at youth level, it might be well-funded but there's some unsophisticated thinking behind their recruitment.
It's odd that many of the players who make it through to the first team, Maloney, Forrest, Wallace, McGregor, Caddis, Henderson all tend to be on the small side.
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9 Dec 2014, 08:42 PM
I actually watched O'Brien playing for Scotland schools, believe he signed for Celtic later that week before Chelsea were hoping to snap him up and I said to friends I'd have let Chelsea have him. Also watched him several times with Celtic youths and still held the same opinion.

Developing youth players into first team quality is difficult as so many things can go wrong, attitude, injury or just a loss of interest. Farming them out on loan is an easy cop out unless we put more thought into what the players themselves will gain. I'd prefer to send them to France, Holland, Denmark etc rather than a lower league UK side.
Agreed. Send them somewhere where they're more likely to learn something.
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9 Dec 2014, 08:57 PM
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I wouldn't believe Celtic were doing this if I hadn't seen it first hand. it's a definite policy of Celtic's. I don't know what the thinking is behind it, whether they're just trying to just win games at youth level by signing big kids, or whether they've taken a decision that big kids make better players in the future.

Either way, don't believe the hype about Celtic's approach at youth level, it might be well-funded but there's some unsophisticated thinking behind their recruitment.
It's odd that many of the players who make it through to the first team, Maloney, Forrest, Wallace, McGregor, Caddis, Henderson all tend to be on the small side.
You'd be going back about 15-20 years to when Maloney was signed, so I have no idea what the thinking was back then.

My guess would be that the wee guys who survive at youth-level are the ones who could actually play, so they disproportionately make it to the professional stage.

Also worth pointing out that being a relatively short adult doesn't necessarily mean you were small when you were a kid.

My advice to any youth player in Scotland would be to hit your growth spurt before teams start picking their U15 squads.
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9 Dec 2014, 08:57 PM
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I wouldn't believe Celtic were doing this if I hadn't seen it first hand. it's a definite policy of Celtic's. I don't know what the thinking is behind it, whether they're just trying to just win games at youth level by signing big kids, or whether they've taken a decision that big kids make better players in the future.

Either way, don't believe the hype about Celtic's approach at youth level, it might be well-funded but there's some unsophisticated thinking behind their recruitment.
It's odd that many of the players who make it through to the first team, Maloney, Forrest, Wallace, McGregor, Caddis, Henderson all tend to be on the small side.
Probably because they dont get found out for their lack of ability once all the kids have grown up and are roughly the same size, unlike the early physical developers.
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9 Dec 2014, 08:36 PM
celtic are currently trying to sign a kid I used to coach a couple of years ago. He's nothing special, even at boys club level, but he's absolutely massive for his age. This is the 3rd freakishly tall but limited youth I've known Celtic to sign.

It's absolutely astonishing that the club are still pursuing this policy.
So what's the motive behind the policy, do you know ?
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I know many years ago Jim McLean at Dundee Utd told his scouts to find him athletes and he would make them into players. Football is constantly evolving and big strong pacey players have much more opportunity to make it than 10-15 years ago. Recall watching our youth side under TB and we had about 6 or 7 who were all 5'4 - 5'7 don't think any of them ever made any impact at Celtic.
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About ten years or so ago Celtic copied Arsenal and a few other teams who put in place a system where they looked for athletes amongst the youngsters as it was thought easier to teach them how to play than it was make athletes out of those with bad genes. I thought that had fallen by the wayside as our youth teams always seem small compared to teams like Hearts and Sevco but I've recently heard of young players of limited ability but physically mature for their age getting trials and being taken on.
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9 Dec 2014, 11:03 PM
I know many years ago Jim McLean at Dundee Utd told his scouts to find him athletes and he would make them into players. Football is constantly evolving and big strong pacey players have much more opportunity to make it than 10-15 years ago. Recall watching our youth side under TB and we had about 6 or 7 who were all 5'4 - 5'7 don't think any of them ever made any impact at Celtic.
as an american i see the incredible caliber of athletes we produce for basketball/american football (lebron james, calvin johnson, dez bryant, etc) and can only wonder how good they would be if they played football from a young age. imagine kevin durant as a keeper for example!
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