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Celtic development side
Topic Started: 22 Oct 2014, 09:33 AM (449,035 Views)
Neil Jung
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Nobody is claiming the youths are great. Its the crud that are getting games before them that's the problem.
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Neil Jung
7 Dec 2014, 08:44 PM
Nobody is claiming the youths are great. Its the crud that are getting games before them that's the problem.
the "crud" that are getting games ahead of them are miles and miles above their level. its ridiculous to think otherwise.

most of the youths wont make it as spl footballers and some of them wont even make a living out of the game
Edited by Zurawski 7, 7 Dec 2014, 08:53 PM.
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7 Dec 2014, 08:52 PM
Neil Jung
7 Dec 2014, 08:44 PM
Nobody is claiming the youths are great. Its the crud that are getting games before them that's the problem.
the "crud" that are getting games ahead of them are miles and miles above their level. its ridiculous to think otherwise.

most of the youths wont make it as spl footballers and some of them wont even make a living out of the game
Yes but Henderson has a chance. He would be better getting game time than a player like Kayal. Same goes for Twardzik. He frankly couldn't contribute any less than McGregor has for the vast majority of his games since the first few.
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Henderson & Fisher could easily hold down a place in ANY of our domestic fixtures, I'd much rather play a young player than someone who is only hanging around waiting for a payoff or running down their contract. No-one expects to get 8-9-10 players from any youth side, but if we can get 1 or 2 then it would be a great boost to others and help us attract better quality.
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Zurawski 7
7 Dec 2014, 08:52 PM
Neil Jung
7 Dec 2014, 08:44 PM
Nobody is claiming the youths are great. Its the crud that are getting games before them that's the problem.
the "crud" that are getting games ahead of them are miles and miles above their level. its ridiculous to think otherwise.

most of the youths wont make it as spl footballers and some of them wont even make a living out of the game
Why in your opinion do we have such a shampooe youth set up? Are we failing to attract the right players or are we just unlucky. Surely we must be spending more than most clubs on this.

From what I see at present and over the past few years it is a huge waste of cash.
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7 Dec 2014, 10:10 PM
Zurawski 7
7 Dec 2014, 08:52 PM
Neil Jung
7 Dec 2014, 08:44 PM
Nobody is claiming the youths are great. Its the crud that are getting games before them that's the problem.
the "crud" that are getting games ahead of them are miles and miles above their level. its ridiculous to think otherwise.

most of the youths wont make it as spl footballers and some of them wont even make a living out of the game
Why in your opinion do we have such a shampooe youth set up? Are we failing to attract the right players or are we just unlucky. Surely we must be spending more than most clubs on this.

From what I see at present and over the past few years it is a huge waste of cash.
no idea right now. we spend a fortune and have tried different routes. the linkup with st ninians was meant to be a very big step in the right direction but who knows. also spending a lot on transfer fees for young boys as well as our own set up
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Neil Jung
7 Dec 2014, 09:11 PM
Zurawski 7
7 Dec 2014, 08:52 PM
Neil Jung
7 Dec 2014, 08:44 PM
Nobody is claiming the youths are great. Its the crud that are getting games before them that's the problem.
the "crud" that are getting games ahead of them are miles and miles above their level. its ridiculous to think otherwise.

most of the youths wont make it as spl footballers and some of them wont even make a living out of the game
Yes but Henderson has a chance. He would be better getting game time than a player like Kayal. Same goes for Twardzik. He frankly couldn't contribute any less than McGregor has for the vast majority of his games since the first few.
Henderson did ok, but gave the ball away far too often to even get in to our midfield. His confidence suffered and it is now returning after a run of games in the Development squad. He is an ideal candidate for loaning out and could potentially come back stronger and cement a place in the team.
You only have to look at the grief McGregor gets to see how difficult it is to bed in young players who are inevitably more inconsistent than the senior pro's.
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Form will always fluctuate even more so with younger players, no should expect a young player to come into the side and play 40-50+ games a season. But no reason at all why they can't play 10-15 games then given a rest as should
have happened with McGregor rather than risking them losing confidence, unfortunately with Forrest out we were somewhat limited and he was kept in the side longer than he should have been - through no fault of the player obviously.
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8 Dec 2014, 09:43 AM
But no reason at all why they can't play 10-15 games then given a rest as should
these players wouldnt get a game for hearts in the championship. no way should they be getting any run of games with us never mind 10-15
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You are absolutely right we NEED to ensure such as Boerrighter, Berget & Rogic et al get priority as they are long term prospects !!!!

Then we can take our 100 points on a lap of honour.

Hearts have a couple of decent players who will continue to improve with the experience gained.
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above instagram account has all the goals from the dev sides matches and senior side as well mentioned it another thread great account. seems like henderson is really bossing it for the u20s, also puzzling to me that fisher has been almost completely uninvolved with first team as well after doing well last year. hopefully those 2 and o'connell and co get a chance thurs
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8 Dec 2014, 10:13 PM
You are absolutely right we NEED to ensure such as Boerrighter, Berget & Rogic et al get priority as they are long term prospects !!!!

Then we can take our 100 points on a lap of honour.

Hearts have a couple of decent players who will continue to improve with the experience gained.
when was the last time any of those 3 got a few games for us? even when fit?

even if they were playing, which they were not. who exactly would they be holding back? for that position you are looking at paul george who couldnt get a game for hamiltion in the championship and paul mcmullan who isnt even close to being half as good as jim obrien
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williebhoy
8 Dec 2014, 10:13 PM
You are absolutely right we NEED to ensure such as Boerrighter, Berget & Rogic et al get priority as they are long term prospects !!!!

Then we can take our 100 points on a lap of honour.

Hearts have a couple of decent players who will continue to improve with the experience gained.
when was the last time any of those 3 got a few games for us? even when fit?

even if they were playing, which they were not. who exactly would they be holding back? for that position you are looking at paul george who couldnt get a game for hamiltion in the championship and paul mcmullan who isnt even close to being half as good as jim obrien
Suppose we could always play Callum McGregor in those positions


Twardzik can play there. He's far more suited to it than left back.

I'm not disputing the lack of quality in the youth system. Maybe others are but to me it seems we have gone backwards despite investing more money and implimenting some good ideas re development. However, as the standard of our youth players has dropped the standard of our first team players has dropped at a higher rate.

We have regularly played with ten men on the pitch and sometimes nine when both Commons and McGregor are in the same team so we can afford to give some of these players a run out from the bench. Just to see if they kick on in the 1st team which some players manage to do despite looking insignificant at youth level.

When Tonev cuts inside and unleashes yet another shot into row ZZ before disappearing to wherever he has been for the previous ten minutes you can't honestly think that he or many of the other waters at our club are worth the hassle? So what if some of the youth players get five or ten minutes through default. Its still better than watching the crud above them block the passageway.
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Neil Jung
9 Dec 2014, 01:05 AM
Zurawski 7
8 Dec 2014, 11:10 PM
williebhoy
8 Dec 2014, 10:13 PM
You are absolutely right we NEED to ensure such as Boerrighter, Berget & Rogic et al get priority as they are long term prospects !!!!

Then we can take our 100 points on a lap of honour.

Hearts have a couple of decent players who will continue to improve with the experience gained.
when was the last time any of those 3 got a few games for us? even when fit?

even if they were playing, which they were not. who exactly would they be holding back? for that position you are looking at paul george who couldnt get a game for hamiltion in the championship and paul mcmullan who isnt even close to being half as good as jim obrien
Suppose we could always play Callum McGregor in those positions


Twardzik can play there. He's far more suited to it than left back.

I'm not disputing the lack of quality in the youth system. Maybe others are but to me it seems we have gone backwards despite investing more money and implimenting some good ideas re development. However, as the standard of our youth players has dropped the standard of our first team players has dropped at a higher rate.

We have regularly played with ten men on the pitch and sometimes nine when both Commons and McGregor are in the same team so we can afford to give some of these players a run out from the bench. Just to see if they kick on in the 1st team which some players manage to do despite looking insignificant at youth level.

When Tonev cuts inside and unleashes yet another shot into row ZZ before disappearing to wherever he has been for the previous ten minutes you can't honestly think that he or many of the other waters at our club are worth the hassle? So what if some of the youth players get five or ten minutes through default. Its still better than watching the crud above them block the passageway.
Agree completely.
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We already know all that is needed about the limitations of plenty of first team players / fringe players such as : Kayal, Mulgrew, Stokes, Commons, Tonev, Boerrighter, Berget while others like Wakaso, Fridge, Balde, Rogic, Pukki are unlikely to be part of the longer term plans. Given our huge advantages over all other domestic opposition we should be providing more opportunities for the younger players to show how far they can improve at higher levels. Only by giving them such a chance can be truly see who can fulfill their potential.

Paul George has a huge talent but seemingly failed to recover his early potential since a serious injury - going out on loan to various clubs isn't always the best policy, clubs play different styles, generally have much less possession than Celtic teams.
Personally I'd rate Paul McMullan far above Jim O'Brien at similar ages, still a long way to go and I hope he continues to learn & improve.
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twardzik has no chance since his injury and was poor in midfield last season at that level. the switching of positions was a last gasp chance for him which obviously wont work

tonev is miles and miles ahead of anyone at that level. again i dont think people realise just how huge the gap is.

mcmullan couldnt lace obriens boots, nowhere near the ability and will have nowhere near the career.

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So what if some of the youth players get five or ten minutes through default. Its still better than watching the crud above them block the passageway.


couldnt disagree more with that statement. i have no interest whatsoever in seeing much much poorer players in our team just because they came through our system rather than getting there on any sort of merit.

again i go back to ronnys "philosophy" and whole idea on how youths should be handled. if a coach like that still doesnt fancy giving any of our lot a runout do you not think that theres a bit more to it than young players not being given a chance?
Edited by Zurawski 7, 9 Dec 2014, 11:27 AM.
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Good to see Ronny talking about Henderson going out on loan in January, it should be a mandatory part of any young player's development at Celtic.
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Good to see Ronny talking about Henderson going out on loan in January, it should be a mandatory part of any young player's development at Celtic.
I'd like him to go to Hearts. Good facilities and set up and seem to have a decent manager. He will experience playing under pressure, in front of some good crowds, and will hopefully contribute to winning their league.

What’s not to like?


Wish we could give them a striker too.
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9 Dec 2014, 11:49 AM
Bobby Peru
9 Dec 2014, 11:31 AM
Good to see Ronny talking about Henderson going out on loan in January, it should be a mandatory part of any young player's development at Celtic.
I'd like him to go to Hearts. Good facilities and set up and seem to have a decent manager. He will experience playing under pressure, in front of some good crowds, and will hopefully contribute to winning their league.

What’s not to like?


Wish we could give them a striker too.
Why send him to the Championship? He's good enough to play in the SPL so send him there, if not abroad/down South to play at a similar level.

Besides, Hearts have their own young players to develop. I don't think they'd be keen on developing ours.
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9 Dec 2014, 11:49 AM
Bobby Peru
9 Dec 2014, 11:31 AM
Good to see Ronny talking about Henderson going out on loan in January, it should be a mandatory part of any young player's development at Celtic.
I'd like him to go to Hearts. Good facilities and set up and seem to have a decent manager. He will experience playing under pressure, in front of some good crowds, and will hopefully contribute to winning their league.

What’s not to like?


Wish we could give them a striker too.
Id rather he went to thistle, keeps him close by and they play football the correct way.
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