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Celtic development side
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Is the person who wrote it any more impartial than the celtic one who said that getting beaten 5-1 in the preliminaries was meaningless? Everyone is partisan.

My point is that Celtics academy has a win at all cost attitudes. It could be argued whether this is a good thing or not. What cant be argued is the difference in the amount of exceptional players to come through the respective academies.

We are generally very competitive and successful at these types of tournaments at this age group. Again, my point is that in the grand scheme of things who really cares about a one-off tournament when there is a bigger goal for our academy players?
you said it was an ajax twitter account as if it was an official account slating celtic. now you wont even name the one that said it when it seems there has been no talk whatosover of celtic booting anyone off the park then jumped to all sorts of conclusions whilst moving the goal posts every post.

a couple of the very very few mentions of the final. would be a bit strange if this dutch guy watched us kick everything that moved and make no mention of it. not sure it would make for a spectacular final either

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19 Apr 2017, 01:15 PM
I can imagine the Ajax fan was very impartial
eff Ajax and eff their coaches. Whinging little Dutch turds.

We won and sounds like we had to dig in a little , so what ? Dutch coaches shaking their heads, whatever next ? Gies a break.
That's the spirit mate.
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you said it was an ajax twitter account as if it was an official account slating celtic. now you wont even name the one that said it when it seems there has been no talk whatosover of celtic booting anyone off the park then jumped to all sorts of conclusions whilst moving the goal posts every post.

a couple of the very very few mentions of the final. would be a bit strange if this dutch guy watched us kick everything that moved and make no mention of it. not sure it would make for a spectacular final either

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Yeah I'm making it up mate to suit whatever agenda I have.
It sounds like your glass is half full.
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you said it was an ajax twitter account as if it was an official account slating celtic. now you wont even name the one that said it when it seems there has been no talk whatosover of celtic booting anyone off the park then jumped to all sorts of conclusions whilst moving the goal posts every post.

a couple of the very very few mentions of the final. would be a bit strange if this dutch guy watched us kick everything that moved and make no mention of it. not sure it would make for a spectacular final either

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at least give a link to the twitter account that has us down as kicking everything that moved
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Yeah I'm making it up mate to suit whatever agenda I have.
at least give a link to the twitter account that has us down as kicking everything that moved
Ajax youth academy @godenzonen_

"Ajax won 5-1 the day before so celtic switched it up in the final and basicly (sp) kicked at everything that moved. Ref only gave 2 cards".

He tweeted that in reply to @celticFCCoach and @celticfc.


As I said earlier I have no idea how official it is or not. However as I also said how is this guys opinion regardless of who he is any different to anyone else's?

Having witnessed Celtic academy I'm willing to believe this account has some substance to it.
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at least give a link to the twitter account that has us down as kicking everything that moved
Ajax youth academy @godenzonen_

"Ajax won 5-1 the day before so celtic switched it up in the final and basicly (sp) kicked at everything that moved. Ref only gave 2 cards".

He tweeted that in reply to @celticFCCoach and @celticfc.


As I said earlier I have no idea how official it is or not. However as I also said how is this guys opinion regardless of who he is any different to anyone else's?

Having witnessed Celtic academy I'm willing to believe this account has some substance to it.
i didnt say it was irrelevant (although if tweeted it has been deleted now) i said you were jumping to massive conclusions. how you went from that tweet to the below:

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obviously our coaches had our players wound up for the final.


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I can imagine the Ajax coaches shaking their heads thinking no wonder our players struggle to make the grade between 17-20 if that's what we do at under 14.

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Our boys ground out a win after getting thrashed earlier on in the tournament

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is grinding out victories and kicking lumps out of the opposition to win a trophy the correct way to coach children?

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Ajax youth academy @godenzonen_

"Ajax won 5-1 the day before so celtic switched it up in the final and basicly (sp) kicked at everything that moved. Ref only gave 2 cards".

He tweeted that in reply to @celticFCCoach and @celticfc.


As I said earlier I have no idea how official it is or not. However as I also said how is this guys opinion regardless of who he is any different to anyone else's?

Having witnessed Celtic academy I'm willing to believe this account has some substance to it.
i didnt say it was irrelevant (although if tweeted it has been deleted now) i said you were jumping to massive conclusions. how you went from that tweet to the below:

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obviously our coaches had our players wound up for the final.


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I can imagine the Ajax coaches shaking their heads thinking no wonder our players struggle to make the grade between 17-20 if that's what we do at under 14.

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Our boys ground out a win after getting thrashed earlier on in the tournament

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is grinding out victories and kicking lumps out of the opposition to win a trophy the correct way to coach children?

Mate, youre trying to trying to create an argument when there is not one to be had.

I'm going by the guys tweet and it is far from jumping to conclusions that :-

1) Our coaches had our players wound up for the final. Have you ever been involved in a final that players are not wound up for, especially after having been beaten by their opponents 5-1 in the qualifiers?
2) Their coaches would be dumbfounded by our approach to the game going by the guys tweet.
3) We did grind out a win going by the guys tweet that we kicked at everything that moved".
4) The argument over winning a tournament at this age group over producing exceptionally gifted players is one that could be done forever as I said earlier.

I don't have any agenda in posting the guys view of the match but I do think it is naïve if you believe there is no grain of truth in it. Again, as I have stated we are excellent at these age groups as our neighbours in the south side however neither us, nor them have as good a tracke record as Ajax.

that's the real discussion to be had.

And btw, if you want to pm me your number I will forward the screenshot.
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i didnt say it was irrelevant (although if tweeted it has been deleted now) i said you were jumping to massive conclusions. how you went from that tweet to the below:

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obviously our coaches had our players wound up for the final.


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I can imagine the Ajax coaches shaking their heads thinking no wonder our players struggle to make the grade between 17-20 if that's what we do at under 14.

Quote:
 
Our boys ground out a win after getting thrashed earlier on in the tournament

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is grinding out victories and kicking lumps out of the opposition to win a trophy the correct way to coach children?

Mate, youre trying to trying to create an argument when there is not one to be had.

I'm going by the guys tweet and it is far from jumping to conclusions that :-

1) Our coaches had our players wound up for the final. Have you ever been involved in a final that players are not wound up for, especially after having been beaten by their opponents 5-1 in the qualifiers?
2) Their coaches would be dumbfounded by our approach to the game going by the guys tweet.
3) We did grind out a win going by the guys tweet that we kicked at everything that moved".
4) The argument over winning a tournament at this age group over producing exceptionally gifted players is one that could be done forever as I said earlier.

I don't have any agenda in posting the guys view of the match but I do think it is naïve if you believe there is no grain of truth in it. Again, as I have stated we are excellent at these age groups as our neighbours in the south side however neither us, nor them have as good a tracke record as Ajax.

that's the real discussion to be had.

And btw, if you want to pm me your number I will forward the screenshot.
Why are you so quick to believe the views of one Dutch guy on Twitter and why when questioned on it are you changing gears to talk about track record of youth development?
Maybe we did kick everything that moved, something admitedly I doubt, but having watched several Dutch teams, including Ajax, at youth tournaments I can say they aren't slow in putting the boot in themselves.
It is a good achievement from this group of players to win another repected European tournament. This is the second year in a row this age group have done it. Here is hoping we manage to bridge the gap between youth football and senior football a bit better than we have so it reaults in a few of these players making it rather than the odd one.
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Mate, youre trying to trying to create an argument when there is not one to be had.

I'm going by the guys tweet and it is far from jumping to conclusions that :-

1) Our coaches had our players wound up for the final. Have you ever been involved in a final that players are not wound up for, especially after having been beaten by their opponents 5-1 in the qualifiers?
2) Their coaches would be dumbfounded by our approach to the game going by the guys tweet.
3) We did grind out a win going by the guys tweet that we kicked at everything that moved".
4) The argument over winning a tournament at this age group over producing exceptionally gifted players is one that could be done forever as I said earlier.

I don't have any agenda in posting the guys view of the match but I do think it is naïve if you believe there is no grain of truth in it. Again, as I have stated we are excellent at these age groups as our neighbours in the south side however neither us, nor them have as good a tracke record as Ajax.

that's the real discussion to be had.

And btw, if you want to pm me your number I will forward the screenshot.
Why are you so quick to believe the views of one Dutch guy on Twitter and why when questioned on it are you changing gears to talk about track record of youth development?
Maybe we did kick everything that moved, something admitedly I doubt, but having watched several Dutch teams, including Ajax, at youth tournaments I can say they aren't slow in putting the boot in themselves.
It is a good achievement from this group of players to win another repected European tournament. This is the second year in a row this age group have done it. Here is hoping we manage to bridge the gap between youth football and senior football a bit better than we have so it reaults in a few of these players making it rather than the odd one.
I'd also be willing to bet that Ajax u14 will be on average taller and physically stronger than our u14s having been to a youth tournament in Holland.

The wee boy Dembele is a tiny wee guy even for his age for example.
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i didnt say it was irrelevant (although if tweeted it has been deleted now) i said you were jumping to massive conclusions. how you went from that tweet to the below:

Quote:
 
obviously our coaches had our players wound up for the final.


Quote:
 
I can imagine the Ajax coaches shaking their heads thinking no wonder our players struggle to make the grade between 17-20 if that's what we do at under 14.

Quote:
 
Our boys ground out a win after getting thrashed earlier on in the tournament

Quote:
 
is grinding out victories and kicking lumps out of the opposition to win a trophy the correct way to coach children?

Mate, youre trying to trying to create an argument when there is not one to be had.

I'm going by the guys tweet and it is far from jumping to conclusions that :-

1) Our coaches had our players wound up for the final. Have you ever been involved in a final that players are not wound up for, especially after having been beaten by their opponents 5-1 in the qualifiers?
2) Their coaches would be dumbfounded by our approach to the game going by the guys tweet.
3) We did grind out a win going by the guys tweet that we kicked at everything that moved".
4) The argument over winning a tournament at this age group over producing exceptionally gifted players is one that could be done forever as I said earlier.

I don't have any agenda in posting the guys view of the match but I do think it is naïve if you believe there is no grain of truth in it. Again, as I have stated we are excellent at these age groups as our neighbours in the south side however neither us, nor them have as good a tracke record as Ajax.

that's the real discussion to be had.

And btw, if you want to pm me your number I will forward the screenshot.
Maybe you are the naive one mate. Never considered the coach was a poor loser ?

There are coaches at all levels who look for excuses, whether they come from the mighty Ajax or wherever else.

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Mate, youre trying to trying to create an argument when there is not one to be had.

I'm going by the guys tweet and it is far from jumping to conclusions that :-

1) Our coaches had our players wound up for the final. Have you ever been involved in a final that players are not wound up for, especially after having been beaten by their opponents 5-1 in the qualifiers?
2) Their coaches would be dumbfounded by our approach to the game going by the guys tweet.
3) We did grind out a win going by the guys tweet that we kicked at everything that moved".
4) The argument over winning a tournament at this age group over producing exceptionally gifted players is one that could be done forever as I said earlier.

I don't have any agenda in posting the guys view of the match but I do think it is naïve if you believe there is no grain of truth in it. Again, as I have stated we are excellent at these age groups as our neighbours in the south side however neither us, nor them have as good a tracke record as Ajax.

that's the real discussion to be had.

And btw, if you want to pm me your number I will forward the screenshot.
Maybe you are the naive one mate. Never considered the coach was a poor loser ?

There are coaches at all levels who look for excuses, whether they come from the mighty Ajax or wherever else.

There were no Ajax coaches quoted.
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They got beat in groups by ajax so if we changed it up and got more physical in the final then so what?

At least we can adapt and change the game plan to grind out a win
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Mate, youre trying to trying to create an argument when there is not one to be had.

I'm going by the guys tweet and it is far from jumping to conclusions that :-

1) Our coaches had our players wound up for the final. Have you ever been involved in a final that players are not wound up for, especially after having been beaten by their opponents 5-1 in the qualifiers?
2) Their coaches would be dumbfounded by our approach to the game going by the guys tweet.
3) We did grind out a win going by the guys tweet that we kicked at everything that moved".
4) The argument over winning a tournament at this age group over producing exceptionally gifted players is one that could be done forever as I said earlier.

I don't have any agenda in posting the guys view of the match but I do think it is naïve if you believe there is no grain of truth in it. Again, as I have stated we are excellent at these age groups as our neighbours in the south side however neither us, nor them have as good a tracke record as Ajax.

that's the real discussion to be had.

And btw, if you want to pm me your number I will forward the screenshot.
Why are you so quick to believe the views of one Dutch guy on Twitter and why when questioned on it are you changing gears to talk about track record of youth development?
Maybe we did kick everything that moved, something admitedly I doubt, but having watched several Dutch teams, including Ajax, at youth tournaments I can say they aren't slow in putting the boot in themselves.
It is a good achievement from this group of players to win another repected European tournament. This is the second year in a row this age group have done it. Here is hoping we manage to bridge the gap between youth football and senior football a bit better than we have so it reaults in a few of these players making it rather than the odd one.
I've witnessed Celtics desire to win at academy level. Their philosophy goes totally against the "it's not all about winning, it's about development" mantra. That's fine but let's not kid ourselves on.

I have never moved the goalposts. My point was, and still is that yes it's great winning trophies but if the truth is that we kicked everything that moved to do so was it worth it and in the best interests of development.
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They got beat in groups by ajax so if we changed it up and got more physical in the final then so what?

At least we can adapt and change the game plan to grind out a win
We've been great at that for years.

It's not really done us any good long term though has it?
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They got beat in groups by ajax so if we changed it up and got more physical in the final then so what?

At least we can adapt and change the game plan to grind out a win
We've been great at that for years.

It's not really done us any good long term though has it?
So for probably one game in the tournament weve played more physical than we normally would. This led to us winning the tournament and beating probably one of best academys in the world. I dont see this as a bad thing.

Need to coach kids to play different styles of games, depending on opposition.
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Why are you so quick to believe the views of one Dutch guy on Twitter and why when questioned on it are you changing gears to talk about track record of youth development?
Maybe we did kick everything that moved, something admitedly I doubt, but having watched several Dutch teams, including Ajax, at youth tournaments I can say they aren't slow in putting the boot in themselves.
It is a good achievement from this group of players to win another repected European tournament. This is the second year in a row this age group have done it. Here is hoping we manage to bridge the gap between youth football and senior football a bit better than we have so it reaults in a few of these players making it rather than the odd one.
I've witnessed Celtics desire to win at academy level. Their philosophy goes totally against the "it's not all about winning, it's about development" mantra. That's fine but let's not kid ourselves on.

I have never moved the goalposts. My point was, and still is that yes it's great winning trophies but if the truth is that we kicked everything that moved to do so was it worth it and in the best interests of development.
Aren't the development team currently about 5th in the table ?

Goes a bit against your win at all costs theory
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Why are you so quick to believe the views of one Dutch guy on Twitter and why when questioned on it are you changing gears to talk about track record of youth development?
Maybe we did kick everything that moved, something admitedly I doubt, but having watched several Dutch teams, including Ajax, at youth tournaments I can say they aren't slow in putting the boot in themselves.
It is a good achievement from this group of players to win another repected European tournament. This is the second year in a row this age group have done it. Here is hoping we manage to bridge the gap between youth football and senior football a bit better than we have so it reaults in a few of these players making it rather than the odd one.
I've witnessed Celtics desire to win at academy level. Their philosophy goes totally against the "it's not all about winning, it's about development" mantra. That's fine but let's not kid ourselves on.

I have never moved the goalposts. My point was, and still is that yes it's great winning trophies but if the truth is that we kicked everything that moved to do so was it worth it and in the best interests of development.
This is not my experience of Celtic youth teams over the last couple of seasons - especially the younger ones including this group. Cannot really comment on later than this as i haven't seen them.
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Can we get that referee sent over to Scotland for this weekend's semi-final :naught:

Seems Celtic are allowed to kick the living daylights out of another team and get away with it (both teams had a player sent of, so same same) :boxer:
Edited by Celts88, 19 Apr 2017, 03:54 PM.
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This is ridiculous.
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Why are you so quick to believe the views of one Dutch guy on Twitter and why when questioned on it are you changing gears to talk about track record of youth development?
Maybe we did kick everything that moved, something admitedly I doubt, but having watched several Dutch teams, including Ajax, at youth tournaments I can say they aren't slow in putting the boot in themselves.
It is a good achievement from this group of players to win another repected European tournament. This is the second year in a row this age group have done it. Here is hoping we manage to bridge the gap between youth football and senior football a bit better than we have so it reaults in a few of these players making it rather than the odd one.
I've witnessed Celtics desire to win at academy level. Their philosophy goes totally against the "it's not all about winning, it's about development" mantra. That's fine but let's not kid ourselves on.

I have never moved the goalposts. My point was, and still is that yes it's great winning trophies but if the truth is that we kicked everything that moved to do so was it worth it and in the best interests of development.
All this based on one tweet. :ffs:
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