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Liam Henderson; signs for Bari.
Topic Started: 3 Oct 2014, 01:50 PM (282,272 Views)
Jack Thaler
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16 Oct 2017, 08:32 PM
Joe the Baker
16 Oct 2017, 08:30 PM
The OP said McGregor had been written off 'until this season.'
That's just not true.
I think he changed a lot of peoples minds when he came into the team about 3/4 of the way through last season. He's been more than decent since then.

I'd start him in Munich over Armstrong.
He started changing my mind when he got into the side halfway through Deila's 2nd season.

He's a tidier passer than Armstrong.
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16 Oct 2017, 08:23 PM
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16 Oct 2017, 08:20 PM
There were plenty who were though, first few pages of the McGregor thread are littered with them. Saying you don't think he's good enough long term is hardly a ringing endorsement is it ?
The first few pages of the McGregor thread are from when, 2014?
Again, that's not the start of this season.

I want to see the team progress and improve, and if we're to do that very few of the current squad are good enough long term :thumbsup:


Okay my wording was wrong, I'll give you that. I meant since Rodgers came in - but the wording as I put it is - as you said - clearly wrong. The point I was trying to make, though, still stands.

In 2014 CalMac was a 21 year old, the exact same age as Henderson is - and was being written off as 'not Celtic class'. Henderson, at the same age, has had much more productive loan spells than the Notts County one McGregor had - winning the SC with Hibs and having some impressive cameos for us also. To say Henderson is not ready for the first team every week right now is true, but to write him off entirely is completely wrong.

He's a decent footballer and has shown it many times. I don't know if he'll make it here, I don't see him every day in training. What I am saying is that if Rodgers feels there's something in there to develop and extended his deal I wouldn't be complaining. Rodgers has shown he likes to improve the players that we already have. You're right in saying that few of the current squad are good enough in the long term if we want to improve - if I add an addendum of at their current level, but that entirely ignores the idea that they can develop and get better. That's an ethos we need to embrace. A 21 year old isn't going to be a ready made top class player, but they can learn.
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16 Oct 2017, 08:23 PM
The first few pages of the McGregor thread are from when, 2014?
Again, that's not the start of this season.

I want to see the team progress and improve, and if we're to do that very few of the current squad are good enough long term :thumbsup:


Okay my wording was wrong, I'll give you that. I meant since Rodgers came in - but the wording as I put it is - as you said - clearly wrong. The point I was trying to make, though, still stands.

In 2014 CalMac was a 21 year old, the exact same age as Henderson is - and was being written off as 'not Celtic class'. Henderson, at the same age, has had much more productive loan spells than the Notts County one McGregor had - winning the SC with Hibs and having some impressive cameos for us also. To say Henderson is not ready for the first team every week right now is true, but to write him off entirely is completely wrong.

He's a decent footballer and has shown it many times. I don't know if he'll make it here, I don't see him every day in training. What I am saying is that if Rodgers feels there's something in there to develop and extended his deal I wouldn't be complaining. Rodgers has shown he likes to improve the players that we already have. You're right in saying that few of the current squad are good enough in the long term if we want to improve - if I add an addendum of at their current level, but that entirely ignores the idea that they can develop and get better. That's an ethos we need to embrace. A 21 year old isn't going to be a ready made top class player, but they can learn.
That's fair :thumbsup:

When McGregor was Henderson's age, all that stood between him and a run in the first team was the fitness of Brown, Bitton, and Johansen.
As soon as one of them got injured, he was in the starting XI.

The depth of our squad now makes Henderson's hopes of breaking through remote.
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16 Oct 2017, 05:48 PM
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15 Oct 2017, 07:25 PM
You cannot judge any player in Henderson position where he gets 1 game (if lucky) every 3/4 months. He quite obviously has no future at the club but gaffer keeps him for reasons exactly like Saturday where players are injured etc.

Im no big fan iof him but sone comments are way to severe and over the top for the guy.


He has had very little game time still relatively young and to be judged on a single relatively poor performance under circumstances and subsequent comments are out of touch and harsh on him.
spot on, disappointed he hasn't really kicked on since a bright start a couple yrs ago under NL but he goes for months without even getting in squads, sounds like he did ok against Dundee
I predict he will be back under NL in January.
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I'm sure Rodgers is quite keen to have a fair share of talented youngsters who'd run through a brick wall for the hoops. Henderson is still a kid in relative terms and is far from the worst centre midfielder on our books.

I'd be tempted to keep him for another year or two, he won't be too demanding financially, just to see how he develops.
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georgiebhoy
16 Oct 2017, 10:44 PM
I'm sure Rodgers is quite keen to have a fair share of talented youngsters who'd run through a brick wall for the hoops. Henderson is still a kid in relative terms and is far from the worst centre midfielder on our books.

I'd be tempted to keep him for another year or two, he won't be too demanding financially, just to see how he develops.
Henderson should have aspirations to play regular first team football.
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16 Oct 2017, 10:44 PM
I'm sure Rodgers is quite keen to have a fair share of talented youngsters who'd run through a brick wall for the hoops. Henderson is still a kid in relative terms and is far from the worst centre midfielder on our books.

I'd be tempted to keep him for another year or two, he won't be too demanding financially, just to see how he develops.
Genuine question: if comparing him to our other centre midfielders, who is worse than him?
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16 Oct 2017, 09:16 PM
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16 Oct 2017, 08:23 PM
The first few pages of the McGregor thread are from when, 2014?
Again, that's not the start of this season.

I want to see the team progress and improve, and if we're to do that very few of the current squad are good enough long term :thumbsup:


Okay my wording was wrong, I'll give you that. I meant since Rodgers came in - but the wording as I put it is - as you said - clearly wrong. The point I was trying to make, though, still stands.

In 2014 CalMac was a 21 year old, the exact same age as Henderson is - and was being written off as 'not Celtic class'. Henderson, at the same age, has had much more productive loan spells than the Notts County one McGregor had - winning the SC with Hibs and having some impressive cameos for us also. To say Henderson is not ready for the first team every week right now is true, but to write him off entirely is completely wrong.

He's a decent footballer and has shown it many times. I don't know if he'll make it here, I don't see him every day in training. What I am saying is that if Rodgers feels there's something in there to develop and extended his deal I wouldn't be complaining. Rodgers has shown he likes to improve the players that we already have. You're right in saying that few of the current squad are good enough in the long term if we want to improve - if I add an addendum of at their current level, but that entirely ignores the idea that they can develop and get better. That's an ethos we need to embrace. A 21 year old isn't going to be a ready made top class player, but they can learn.
I agree with some of your points, but Callum McGregor had a pretty good loan spell at Notts County. 12 goals in 30 odd games is not a bad return for a midfielder.
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Okay my wording was wrong, I'll give you that. I meant since Rodgers came in - but the wording as I put it is - as you said - clearly wrong. The point I was trying to make, though, still stands.

In 2014 CalMac was a 21 year old, the exact same age as Henderson is - and was being written off as 'not Celtic class'. Henderson, at the same age, has had much more productive loan spells than the Notts County one McGregor had - winning the SC with Hibs and having some impressive cameos for us also. To say Henderson is not ready for the first team every week right now is true, but to write him off entirely is completely wrong.

He's a decent footballer and has shown it many times. I don't know if he'll make it here, I don't see him every day in training. What I am saying is that if Rodgers feels there's something in there to develop and extended his deal I wouldn't be complaining. Rodgers has shown he likes to improve the players that we already have. You're right in saying that few of the current squad are good enough in the long term if we want to improve - if I add an addendum of at their current level, but that entirely ignores the idea that they can develop and get better. That's an ethos we need to embrace. A 21 year old isn't going to be a ready made top class player, but they can learn.
I agree with some of your points, but Callum McGregor had a pretty good loan spell at Notts County. 12 goals in 30 odd games is not a bad return for a midfielder.
I never meant to imply his loan spell wasn't a good one, but it was at League 1 level in England (although compared to Hibs in the Championship there's probably not much of a gulf in quality, admittedly) and my point was that Henderson won silverware with Hibs and played a key role in winning it - as well as it being against Sevco to make that all the sweeter. Essentially, what I was saying, is that Henderson and McGregor when he was at the same age are very comparable and McGregor has developed into an important squad member since. Henderson also had a few very impressive cameos for us when he was younger. If we look at them both in that light then I'm trying to say it's unfair to say he'd never make it with us, and that if we gave him another couple of years to develop under the manager and learn from experiences squad members, there's no reason he couldn't replicate McGregor's ascent.
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Henderson won't make it with us now. He's too far down the pecking order. Wouldn't be surprised if he left in a January.
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16 Oct 2017, 11:43 PM
Henderson won't make it with us now. He's too far down the pecking order. Wouldn't be surprised if he left in a January.
Any particular year?
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I'm sure Rodgers is quite keen to have a fair share of talented youngsters who'd run through a brick wall for the hoops. Henderson is still a kid in relative terms and is far from the worst centre midfielder on our books.

I'd be tempted to keep him for another year or two, he won't be too demanding financially, just to see how he develops.
Genuine question: if comparing him to our other centre midfielders, who is worse than him?
Not seen enough of Eboue to say if he's a better option than Henderson or not. But him, Ntcham and Armstrong will probably have one eye on moving to England in the next year or two.

Not saying that Henderson's going to develop into a solid first teamer but I do think we can afford to keep an eye on his development a little longer.
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I'm sure Rodgers is quite keen to have a fair share of talented youngsters who'd run through a brick wall for the hoops. Henderson is still a kid in relative terms and is far from the worst centre midfielder on our books.

I'd be tempted to keep him for another year or two, he won't be too demanding financially, just to see how he develops.
Genuine question: if comparing him to our other centre midfielders, who is worse than him?
Not seen enough of Eboue to say if he's a better option than Henderson or not. But him, Ntcham and Armstrong will probably have one eye on moving to England in the next year or two.

Not saying that Henderson's going to develop into a solid first teamer but I do think we can afford to keep an eye on his development a little longer.
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1) That's 2 seasons ago;
2) I said that he'd been our most consistent midfielder that year;
3) I said I'd keep him.

So hardly writing him off before this season.
There were plenty who were though, first few pages of the McGregor thread are littered with them. Saying you don't think he's good enough long term is hardly a ringing endorsement is it ?
Pretty sure he got pelters and it was said he wasn't good enough after that miss away to BMG.
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16 Oct 2017, 10:44 PM
I'm sure Rodgers is quite keen to have a fair share of talented youngsters who'd run through a brick wall for the hoops. Henderson is still a kid in relative terms and is far from the worst centre midfielder on our books.

I'd be tempted to keep him for another year or two, he won't be too demanding financially, just to see how he develops.
Genuine question: if comparing him to our other centre midfielders, who is worse than him?
Bitton.
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16 Oct 2017, 10:44 PM
I'm sure Rodgers is quite keen to have a fair share of talented youngsters who'd run through a brick wall for the hoops. Henderson is still a kid in relative terms and is far from the worst centre midfielder on our books.

I'd be tempted to keep him for another year or two, he won't be too demanding financially, just to see how he develops.
Genuine question: if comparing him to our other centre midfielders, who is worse than him?
Bitton.
no chance

i think henderson would have been gone in the summer but wanted hibs. lennon said they couldnt bring him in unless they sold mcginn im sure
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16 Oct 2017, 10:44 PM
I'm sure Rodgers is quite keen to have a fair share of talented youngsters who'd run through a brick wall for the hoops. Henderson is still a kid in relative terms and is far from the worst centre midfielder on our books.

I'd be tempted to keep him for another year or two, he won't be too demanding financially, just to see how he develops.
Genuine question: if comparing him to our other centre midfielders, who is worse than him?
Not seen enough of Eboue to say if he's a better option than Henderson or not. But him, Ntcham and Armstrong will probably have one eye on moving to England in the next year or two.

Not saying that Henderson's going to develop into a solid first teamer but I do think we can afford to keep an eye on his development a little longer.
He's now behind players his age or younger.
Without games, and he isn't going to get games here, he won't develop at all.
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He's now 21 years old, and that age its imperative that he gets regular first-team football somewhere. The longer he goes without that sort of football, the bigger the negative impact it'll have on his development. For his own sake he should go in January.
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Bitton.
no chance

i think henderson would have been gone in the summer but wanted hibs. lennon said they couldnt bring him in unless they sold mcginn im sure
this has to be it imo. dont think well give him an extension but even if we wanted to not sure why people think he would sign given he has struggled to even make the bench under BR especially this yr
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He's now 21 years old, and that age its imperative that he gets regular first-team football somewhere. The longer he goes without that sort of football, the bigger the negative impact it'll have on his development. For his own sake he should go in January.
I think Dedryck Boyata is proof of this. He arrived at Celtic, 24 yrs old and having barely averaged 10 first-team games a season in his career. It took the big fellow 18 months of regular football here to finally find his feet, having stagnated for years on the subs bench and development team at Man City.

Henderson is about eighth-choice for a spot in midfield here now - for the sake of his career he needs a move.
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