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Liam Henderson; signs for Bari.
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jebus82
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it always amazes me how quickly some of our fans like to slaughter young scottish players who come from our youths?
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jebus82
21 Dec 2016, 11:16 PM
it always amazes me how quickly some of our fans like to slaughter young scottish players who come from our youths?
Like Tierney you mean? Or Forrest?

Henderson isn't good enough. Simple as.
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jebus82
21 Dec 2016, 11:16 PM
it always amazes me how quickly some of our fans like to slaughter young scottish players who come from our youths?
Like Tierney you mean? Or Forrest?

Henderson isn't good enough. Simple as.
yeah mate, forrest really got an easy ride :lol:
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jebus82
21 Dec 2016, 11:16 PM
it always amazes me how quickly some of our fans like to slaughter young scottish players who come from our youths?
Like Tierney you mean? Or Forrest?

Henderson isn't good enough. Simple as.
yeah mate, forrest really got an easy ride :lol:
:lol: :lol:

great example.
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22 Dec 2016, 12:08 AM

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yeah mate, forrest really got an easy ride :lol:
:lol: :lol:

great example.
Alright I'll give you that one :lol:

Tierney came through our ranks, is highly rated and that's because he has quickly become a first team regular thanks to his obvious qualities. Not because he came through the ranks and is Scottish.

Likewise, Henderson isn't highly rated (I've never seen him slaughtered to be honest), and that's because it's clear he doesn't have what it takes. Nothing to do with coming through the ranks and being Scottish.

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:lol: :lol:

great example.
Alright I'll give you that one :lol:

Tierney came through our ranks, is highly rated and that's because he has quickly become a first team regular thanks to his obvious qualities. Not because he came through the ranks and is Scottish.

Likewise, Henderson isn't highly rated (I've never seen him slaughtered to be honest), and that's because it's clear he doesn't have what it takes. Nothing to do with coming through the ranks and being Scottish.

i understand that argument but there's another argument in there that says forrest wasn't always highly rated.
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Alright I'll give you that one :lol:

Tierney came through our ranks, is highly rated and that's because he has quickly become a first team regular thanks to his obvious qualities. Not because he came through the ranks and is Scottish.

Likewise, Henderson isn't highly rated (I've never seen him slaughtered to be honest), and that's because it's clear he doesn't have what it takes. Nothing to do with coming through the ranks and being Scottish.

i understand that argument but there's another argument in there that says forrest wasn't always highly rated.
True, but the question is, is it because they are Scottish and came from the youths? Take Scott Allen or GMS as an example.

You can disagree with the critique of Henderson, but its nothing to do with his nationality or provenance.
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i understand that argument but there's another argument in there that says forrest wasn't always highly rated.
True, but the question is, is it because they are Scottish and came from the youths? Take Scott Allen or GMS as an example.

You can disagree with the critique of Henderson, but its nothing to do with his nationality or provenance.
aye, i would agree with that.
henderson has been given plenty of oppurtunities so the fans have had
enough time to form their opinions.

but in saying that any lads like miller making a debut will be more
likely for scrutiny and the inevitable criticism.


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There are a number of area's where Henderson falls short in my view

Pace.....He has little , either over a short distance or over 40 yards. That means he cantt accelerate out of trouble or be effective in a pressing game

Tracking midfield runners.......He doesn't do it. Last night was a good example . Brown and Armstrong regularly bail out the defence by tracking the runners from midfield. They have the pace and the desire to get back. Liam hasn't gotbthe pace, and the desire to do that seems lacking

Tackling......mediocre at best

Movement.......He just doesn't find the space he should , and that is down to lack of movement. He gets the ball generally in areas the opposition let him have it.

Fitness.......He hasn't played much this season, so maybe it's unfair to judge on last night. He was done though after 60 minutes. He was a liability from that point on


On the upside , he is a good dead ball taker and he has good football intelligence. However i just don't think he has what it takes to contribute to a team playing the way Brendan wants to play. The fact that Brendan has given 4 times as much playing time to Callum McGregor suggests he's not in Brendan's long-term plans
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22 Dec 2016, 07:11 AM
There are a number of area's where Henderson falls short in my view

Pace.....He has little , either over a short distance or over 40 yards. That means he cantt accelerate out of trouble or be effective in a pressing game

Tracking midfield runners.......He doesn't do it. Last night was a good example . Brown and Armstrong regularly bail out the defence by tracking the runners from midfield. They have the pace and the desire to get back. Liam hasn't gotbthe pace, and the desire to do that seems lacking

Tackling......mediocre at best

Movement.......He just doesn't find the space he should , and that is down to lack of movement. He gets the ball generally in areas the opposition let him have it.

Fitness.......He hasn't played much this season, so maybe it's unfair to judge on last night. He was done though after 60 minutes. He was a liability from that point on


On the upside , he is a good dead ball taker and he has good football intelligence. However i just don't think he has what it takes to contribute to a team playing the way Brendan wants to play. The fact that Brendan has given 4 times as much playing time to Callum McGregor suggests he's not in Brendan's long-term plans
Tackling the jury is out but I definitely think he looks lacking in pace, and I think that is where possibly a lot of his problems begin. Especially the way BR has this team set up.. Can't say I agree about movement. A few have come on here and said he lacks in technical ability. That's where he shines brightest for me, he seems a very clever footballer with great ball ability.

I haven't totally given up on Henderson yet, but really feel he needs to be playing games regularly somewhere just now. A loan in January again might be a good idea.
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Alright I'll give you that one :lol:

Tierney came through our ranks, is highly rated and that's because he has quickly become a first team regular thanks to his obvious qualities. Not because he came through the ranks and is Scottish.

Likewise, Henderson isn't highly rated (I've never seen him slaughtered to be honest), and that's because it's clear he doesn't have what it takes. Nothing to do with coming through the ranks and being Scottish.

i understand that argument but there's another argument in there that says forrest wasn't always highly rated.
By the time he was Henderson's age, Forrest was already a first team regular, had won Scottish Young Player of the Year, and was being linked with a move to Spurs.

He wasn't sitting on the bench of the third best team in the Scottish Championship.
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22 Dec 2016, 10:06 AM
barcabhoy
22 Dec 2016, 07:11 AM
There are a number of area's where Henderson falls short in my view

Pace.....He has little , either over a short distance or over 40 yards. That means he cantt accelerate out of trouble or be effective in a pressing game

Tracking midfield runners.......He doesn't do it. Last night was a good example . Brown and Armstrong regularly bail out the defence by tracking the runners from midfield. They have the pace and the desire to get back. Liam hasn't gotbthe pace, and the desire to do that seems lacking

Tackling......mediocre at best

Movement.......He just doesn't find the space he should , and that is down to lack of movement. He gets the ball generally in areas the opposition let him have it.

Fitness.......He hasn't played much this season, so maybe it's unfair to judge on last night. He was done though after 60 minutes. He was a liability from that point on


On the upside , he is a good dead ball taker and he has good football intelligence. However i just don't think he has what it takes to contribute to a team playing the way Brendan wants to play. The fact that Brendan has given 4 times as much playing time to Callum McGregor suggests he's not in Brendan's long-term plans
Tackling the jury is out but I definitely think he looks lacking in pace, and I think that is where possibly a lot of his problems begin. Especially the way BR has this team set up.. Can't say I agree about movement. A few have come on here and said he lacks in technical ability. That's where he shines brightest for me, he seems a very clever footballer with great ball ability.

I haven't totally given up on Henderson yet, but really feel he needs to be playing games regularly somewhere just now. A loan in January again might be a good idea.
His technique isn't awful, but neither is exceptional.
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22 Dec 2016, 07:11 AM
There are a number of area's where Henderson falls short in my view

Pace.....He has little , either over a short distance or over 40 yards. That means he cantt accelerate out of trouble or be effective in a pressing game

Tracking midfield runners.......He doesn't do it. Last night was a good example . Brown and Armstrong regularly bail out the defence by tracking the runners from midfield. They have the pace and the desire to get back. Liam hasn't gotbthe pace, and the desire to do that seems lacking

Tackling......mediocre at best

Movement.......He just doesn't find the space he should , and that is down to lack of movement. He gets the ball generally in areas the opposition let him have it.

Fitness.......He hasn't played much this season, so maybe it's unfair to judge on last night. He was done though after 60 minutes. He was a liability from that point on


On the upside , he is a good dead ball taker and he has good football intelligence. However i just don't think he has what it takes to contribute to a team playing the way Brendan wants to play. The fact that Brendan has given 4 times as much playing time to Callum McGregor suggests he's not in Brendan's long-term plans
Great post :thumbsup:
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I rate the lad. There are a few areas he needs to brush up on and most of them are when he doesn't have the ball. This will come with time spent on the training field with BR. Technically he is very good, which is what I'd look for in the middle of the park. Should be playing over Bitton in my opinion.
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21 Dec 2016, 03:04 PM
I'm no fan of McGregor at all. He's got much more to his game than Henderson.

He is also 3 years older than Henderson, 3 years ago McGregor wasn't on the lvl that Henderson is today
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I rate the lad. There are a few areas he needs to brush up on and most of them are when he doesn't have the ball. This will come with time spent on the training field with BR. Technically he is very good, which is what I'd look for in the middle of the park. Should be playing over Bitton in my opinion.
But not in the opinion of the last 3 Celtic managers, which should tell you something.

Will working with Brendan make his legs faster?
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21 Dec 2016, 10:15 PM
Needs to start progressing soon. Still think there is something there.
Agreed.

Knives seem to be out for him here a bit.
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Danny McGrain was 20 before he even got a look in at Celtic. Some fans would have wanted him released if that was the case now
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22 Dec 2016, 07:11 AM
There are a number of area's where Henderson falls short in my view

Pace.....He has little , either over a short distance or over 40 yards. That means he cantt accelerate out of trouble or be effective in a pressing game

Tracking midfield runners.......He doesn't do it. Last night was a good example . Brown and Armstrong regularly bail out the defence by tracking the runners from midfield. They have the pace and the desire to get back. Liam hasn't gotbthe pace, and the desire to do that seems lacking

Tackling......mediocre at best

Movement.......He just doesn't find the space he should , and that is down to lack of movement. He gets the ball generally in areas the opposition let him have it.

Fitness.......He hasn't played much this season, so maybe it's unfair to judge on last night. He was done though after 60 minutes. He was a liability from that point on


On the upside , he is a good dead ball taker and he has good football intelligence. However i just don't think he has what it takes to contribute to a team playing the way Brendan wants to play. The fact that Brendan has given 4 times as much playing time to Callum McGregor suggests he's not in Brendan's long-term plans
Can't argue with that really.

Only thing that could be added is that most of what he's lacking can still be coached into him, but that lack of pace will always be an issue. With the position he plays it's not like simply developing a short burst of pace will help him move to the next level as it did for McGeady all those years ago; he needs to be able to run for days if he's going to play central midfield for us. I was surprised to hear he's still only 20 so all is not lost for him, but he's got a long way to go yet.
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22 Dec 2016, 10:41 AM
Danny McGrain was 20 before he even got a look in at Celtic. Some fans would have wanted him released if that was the case now
Sure if Danny had played a few games and didnt look like he was good enough.

If BR is going to get the squad size to where he wants and bring in better midfielders (that he says he wants) then how do we balance that out? Releasing peripheral players that the manager doesnt seem to rate would be the obvious way. Its not knives out, impatience, anti-Scots youngsters, etc. Its just looking at what the manager wants and moving forward with that.
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