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Liam Henderson; signs for Bari.
Topic Started: 3 Oct 2014, 01:50 PM (282,342 Views)
tenerifetim
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I understand Liam needs game time to develop and have to trust Ronny and his team on this but to quote some of the back up as Boerrigter, Rogic , Tonev and Wakaso doesn't inspire me with confidence - 2 loanees ,1 recovering from injury and 1 permanently fragile isn't a great cushion - I just don't get the Wakaso deal either ?
As long as the lad continues to improve and we get him back for next season as a young Davie Hay , I'll go with it!
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He's too good to be sitting on our bench.

He'll be at a good club, alongside some decent experienced pros like Pedersen, challenging for the title and playing on good pitches over the summer months.

He'll come back fitter, stronger and better.

Rosenberg are exactly the type of club we should be loaning players to. This is a much better loan move than most of our other recent deals in which we send some 21 year old to Shrewsbury Town or some such place.
This.

He's a terrific prospect but needs games at a decent level.
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tenerifetim
1 Apr 2015, 10:15 AM
I understand Liam needs game time to develop and have to trust Ronny and his team on this but to quote some of the back up as Boerrigter, Rogic , Tonev and Wakaso doesn't inspire me with confidence - 2 loanees ,1 recovering from injury and 1 permanently fragile isn't a great cushion - I just don't get the Wakaso deal either ?
As long as the lad continues to improve and we get him back for next season as a young Davie Hay , I'll go with it!
It's quite possible that those four won't play 90 minutes between them over the rest of this season. We've got two players ahead of them (and Henderson) in every position in that attacking three, so it would take a pretty spectacular series of injuries and suspensions for us to start relying on them.

Incidentally, 3 of those 4 are full international for fairly decent sides. And WTF two of them being loanees has to do with anything I don't know, I guess we should just drop Denayer as well if that's such a problem.
Edited by SaMule, 1 Apr 2015, 10:29 AM.
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tenerifetim
1 Apr 2015, 10:15 AM
I understand Liam needs game time to develop and have to trust Ronny and his team on this but to quote some of the back up as Boerrigter, Rogic , Tonev and Wakaso doesn't inspire me with confidence - 2 loanees ,1 recovering from injury and 1 permanently fragile isn't a great cushion - I just don't get the Wakaso deal either ?
As long as the lad continues to improve and we get him back for next season as a young Davie Hay , I'll go with it!
How many games have those players played? If we are stuck we should throw in Thomson or some other promising youngster.

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Terrible decision.

We only have Brown, Bitton, Johansen, Armstrong, Forrest, GMS, Commons, Mulgrew, Stokes, Tonev, Wakaso, McGregor, Rogic, Boerrigter, and the rest of the development squad to provide cover.

He's started 4 games this season.
Let him get some 1st team football.
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Let's not forget the position Henderson has been playing in. In that advanced left sided position the following players have all had at least some game time this season: Armstrong, Stokes, Commons, Wakaso, Forrest, Mackay-Steven, Johansen, McGregor, Tonev, Boerrigter. Ten players.

Obviously for the potentially two games we've still to play in the cup Armstrong and Mackay-Steven won't be available, but the options are there.

Clearly, if people see Liam as potential back up for the sitting midfield position, which I don't think he is currently suited to and the manager seems to agree, there is obviously a bit of concern given that Mulgrew is injured, Brown has a heavy workload and Bitton is picking up knocks. Obviously Johansen can be used in there too though, as can Armstrong, so I don't think we can considered light in any way at all.
Edited by Forza, 1 Apr 2015, 11:17 AM.
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We have loads of cover for the 3 behind the striker, its the 2 behind them I'm worried about. Mulgrew has been poor when he's been fit and Brown and Johansen don't work that well together. An injury or suspension and we'd be left with Johansen and Mulgrew in CM or dropping Armstrong back to CM. Brown will miss the Thistle game and Bitton has had a couple of knocks recently.

If focusing on winning the treble makes me short sighted then so be it, its all that we should be focused on and we shouldn't be letting anyone go.
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We have loads of cover for the 3 behind the striker, its the 2 behind them I'm worried about. Mulgrew has been poor when he's been fit and Brown and Johansen don't work that well together. An injury or suspension and we'd be left with Johansen and Mulgrew in CM or dropping Armstrong back to CM. Brown will miss the Thistle game and Bitton has had a couple of knocks recently.

If focusing on winning the treble makes me short sighted then so be it, its all that we should be focused on and we shouldn't be letting anyone go.
So we should've kept Kayal just on the off chance we needed him for a dead rubber league match?

Ridiculous.
Edited by Jack Thaler, 1 Apr 2015, 11:13 AM.
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1 Apr 2015, 11:11 AM
We have loads of cover for the 3 behind the striker, its the 2 behind them I'm worried about. Mulgrew has been poor when he's been fit and Brown and Johansen don't work that well together. An injury or suspension and we'd be left with Johansen and Mulgrew in CM or dropping Armstrong back to CM. Brown will miss the Thistle game and Bitton has had a couple of knocks recently.

If focusing on winning the treble makes me short sighted then so be it, its all that we should be focused on and we shouldn't be letting anyone go.
Henderson has never played in that position this season.

He's only started 4 games this season, there is a risk letting any player go if we suddenly find ourselves with a spate of injuries but if that happens we just need to use the squad.
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1 Apr 2015, 11:11 AM
We have loads of cover for the 3 behind the striker, its the 2 behind them I'm worried about. Mulgrew has been poor when he's been fit and Brown and Johansen don't work that well together. An injury or suspension and we'd be left with Johansen and Mulgrew in CM or dropping Armstrong back to CM. Brown will miss the Thistle game and Bitton has had a couple of knocks recently.

If focusing on winning the treble makes me short sighted then so be it, its all that we should be focused on and we shouldn't be letting anyone go.
Henderson doesn't play there though? He probably could at a push, but I'd have Johansen, Armstrong and Mulgrew ahead of him there if either Brown or Bitton is out. I dare say we could cope with any one of Van Dijk, Denayer or Ambrose in that position if we really had to as well. Maybe even Lustig too.

We've got a massive squad. Liam Henderson will not be badly missed over the next three months. If he's going to be a player that we miss in the future though, he needs more experience than we can give him right now.
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The decision makes even more sense when you consider that the decks will likely be cleared of Tonev and Wakaso at the very least in the summer, and hopefully Boerrigter too. Possibly even Stokes.

So having had the chance to play for a good club team at a decent level Liam will come back in July two or three further up the pecking order at the very least and with some invaluable experience of playing in a different environment.

Absolute no brainer.

Tony Watt this is not.
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Dead rubber? Didn't realise we'd won the league.

A bad tackle or suspension and we could be going into a final with Johansen and Mulgrew in MF. If Brown or Bitton missed a game Henderson could replace them without us having to move Johansen and/or Armstrong from their best position.

Henderson played MF last season, even DM in the Atlaya (?) Cup, in Turkey, just because we haven't played him there this season doesn't mean he can't play CM. He looks a natural CM IMO.

If it was the start of the season or we had decent cover at CM then fine, as it is the risk outweighs the benefit for me but good luck to him, hopefully he comes back a better player.
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Dead rubber? Didn't realise we'd won the league.

A bad tackle or suspension and we could be going into a final with Johansen and Mulgrew in MF. If Brown or Bitton missed a game Henderson could replace them without us having to move Johansen and/or Armstrong from their best position.

Henderson played MF last season, even DM in the Atlaya (?) Cup, in Turkey, just because we haven't played him there this season doesn't mean he can't play CM. He looks a natural CM IMO.

If it was the start of the season or we had decent cover at CM then fine, as it is the risk outweighs the benefit for me but good luck to him, hopefully he comes back a better player.
I'd be willing to bet that Deila would see Johansen and Mulgrew ahead of Henderson in that role regardless.

And it'd need to be really bad luck to be without Brown and Bitton.
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Potentially a great deal for both Celtic and young Liam.

I'm sure Ronny knows the Rosenburg set up well, do they have a decent LB or CH he may be thinking of buying?
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Dead rubber? Didn't realise we'd won the league.

A bad tackle or suspension and we could be going into a final with Johansen and Mulgrew in MF. If Brown or Bitton missed a game Henderson could replace them without us having to move Johansen and/or Armstrong from their best position.

Henderson played MF last season, even DM in the Atlaya (?) Cup, in Turkey, just because we haven't played him there this season doesn't mean he can't play CM. He looks a natural CM IMO.

If it was the start of the season or we had decent cover at CM then fine, as it is the risk outweighs the benefit for me but good luck to him, hopefully he comes back a better player.
I may well be getting a little overconfident here, not to mention disrespectful of ICT, but nonetheless I'd like to think that we could still beat either Hibs or Falkirk in the cup final with Johansen & Mulgrew in midfield.
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Dead rubber? Didn't realise we'd won the league.

A bad tackle or suspension and we could be going into a final with Johansen and Mulgrew in MF. If Brown or Bitton missed a game Henderson could replace them without us having to move Johansen and/or Armstrong from their best position.

Henderson played MF last season, even DM in the Atlaya (?) Cup, in Turkey, just because we haven't played him there this season doesn't mean he can't play CM. He looks a natural CM IMO.

If it was the start of the season or we had decent cover at CM then fine, as it is the risk outweighs the benefit for me but good luck to him, hopefully he comes back a better player.
I'd be willing to bet that Deila would see Johansen and Mulgrew ahead of Henderson in that role regardless.

And it'd need to be really bad luck to be without Brown and Bitton.
Mulgrew :twitch:
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If we lose any game this season it won't be because Liam Henderson isn't available
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Great move for Henderson and an encouraging bit of thinking by the club.

Some folk just like a moan.
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1 Apr 2015, 12:15 PM
If we lose any game this season it won't be because Liam Henderson isn't available
that's a pretty fair assessment of our situation. :thumbsup:

this is all good news for Henderson and Celtic.
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1 Apr 2015, 12:15 PM
If we lose any game this season it won't be because Liam Henderson isn't available
We have a game coming up without Brown and rather than just put Henderson in we'll have to move Johansen, probably Armstrong and then bring in Forrest, Stokes or Commons who are all very streaky.

We should be beating teams whoever starts, my point is I don't think its worth the risk. Let him get game time here and loan him next season, don't do it now when we're a few games away from a treble.
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