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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,925 Views)
Wanyerma
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Oh and anyone watching that BS should be in no doubt about Lawell wanting the zombies in our league. We apparently augmented their absence with selling players. That's strategic failure.

Celtic is going nowhere under this incompetent dick.
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Dianogah
29 Aug 2014, 11:26 AM
:lol: Oh, that made me mad.

Patronising carrot.
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Mackin
29 Aug 2014, 11:34 AM
Dianogah
29 Aug 2014, 09:57 AM
Mackin
29 Aug 2014, 09:32 AM
Ian Livingston
Tom Allison
Brian Wilson
Ian Bankier

Add in Peter Lawwell, and you have a board of Tory bastards acting like Tory bastards, call it austerity, call it downsizing, its the same thing. Spend as little as possible while keeping enough to line your own pockets.

Not one thin dime until they are all gone.
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Red tory, blue tory, there is little difference these days.
Sorry but that's just not true

Having dealt with with Brian ons few occasions with the grave society, and reading his work and knowing his record in politics that's just not a fair representation of him

For example

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As trade minister, Wilson took a great deal of interest in Cuba which he visited on a number of occasions in an effort to improve political and trade links. He has written extensively in defence of Cuba and about his meetings with Fidel Castro


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Wilson_%28Labour_politician%29

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Turned that interview off after 30 secs and away to change as Peter Lawwell pissed up my leg there.

He really does think we're that stupid. :nono:

Arrogant effwit :nono:
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fatboab
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Dianogah
29 Aug 2014, 11:26 AM
Bingo :clap:
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mick405
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effin hell, huns aren't there so we augment revenue by selling our best players. Good one Peter, don't worry about us paying money to come and watch a good standard of player and football you moron. Anyone that believes a word this clown says needs their head checked.

Yer no in touch at all.
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Transition
Supporters don't understand
It all gets invested back in
More right than wrong
Can't compete
No huns
I'm a Celtic fan
HOUSE!
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Corky Buczek
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Cliché, Cliché, Cliché

But will anyone honestly expect anything else ?
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Ned Rise
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We're not sitting on a pile of cash. We have got cash, but surely it's better not to spend it, but to get players on loan and spend it next year instead.

My head is in a Celtic spin, my feet don't touch the ground...
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sevilliano
28 Aug 2014, 11:41 PM
Iydllwild posted yesterday that he couldn't bring himself to post the reasons why he'd ended up where he is now with Celtic and thinking it through I can see why but drink has been taken and I'm not angry but sad

However I think I'm a few years further down the road of cynicism but I do think the case for Celtic being far better than it is can be made without being sentimental

Born into a Celtic supporting family but whose first memories are feyenoord (not paying players?) and thistle whilst young at time of glory years it really is in subconscious rather than in memory

The real shock was healthy competition of early to mid 80s giving way to the Holmes Murray souness world where we we effed and the families who owned Celtic could not cope with banked backed entrepreneurs

Celtic in my formative years were a team filled with likes of burns provan Nicholas mccluskey - really nowhere on a par with 65-74 but a football team you could identify with and would make an effort to see because it was entertaining (albeit not when keepers let us down time and again)

We were not european giants but we were competent - losing to notts forest or sociedad was no disgrace and was close fought with good teams against us

So I don't dream of European glory and I've sat and watched the corrupt hun eff us through dark days at hampden ibrox etc etc

The arrival of fergus didn't fill me with joy cause I could see from working for him that his driver was his return

That it coincided with us stopping 10iar was luck for us and fergus because honestly he wouldn't change short term for long term but whilst that is commendable that strategy is medium long term and not fixated on short term in his reign
Things have gone far askew since then

Fergus put 9m of his own money into Celtic for a return and having got it left

Dermot took up the slack but provides no direction or strategy since then

In basic terms dermot debted up the business under mon to compete with the hun and enjoyed high profile euro success then left it to his accountant since 2004 to drive the debt and business down

But in the meantime the euphoria of saving the club stopping 10 and achieving relative success in Europe and watching the demise of the hun over the last 8 years we've seen a club going nowhere

And really when the music stops you see that no one has been watching the football shop, that no one has kept alive the relationship between Celtic it's fans and football

We have moved from the useless rump of whytes and Kellys trying to play at business whilst extracting their inheritance on a bi weekly basis through our VC fergus to end up at a useless rump practised at property development, remuneration committees but with no commitment to football or Celtic

I think these guys who control, run our club fail because they either they don't give a flying one or can't be bothered looking at what makes a club work decade after decade - and it's not the balance sheet in their language it's the intangible

Not because they are taking the piss over money - dermot could make more elsewhere and pl could make close to what he earns at Celtic - but because they don't get it - they are focused on finance

My family in part supported Celtic because it was a catholic club but for a large part because it was a football club who played football - not kick and rush of the hun, not the bigotry of the hun

And that held true through the 80s as the legacy of lions and quality street filtered through

Since then though despite the slogans we've become just another club and as the corporate boys play their games we've moved further and further from being a football club based on the values of stein

So we fail as as corporate money making machine in a tiny country marginalised in uefa terms

But more so we fail because the core has been lost - of developing the identity of Celtic, of football, of youth, of community, of charity

We have football in the community officers at Celtic being tasked with being profit centres !! We have first team players being paid 1/10 of the CEO, it's effin mental how far away we've got from doing the basics right


60,000 people will come and support this football team because of a legacy and it's a good legacy

If only they understood that if they made a fist of understanding that they have to make the best of the environment we operate in by being a truly exceptional football club from youth upwards that would be enough

Instead in some kind of blairite new Celtic they try to persuade us that their way is the only way and we should be thankful as they spout pish and take their money year after year leaving others trying to work off fundamentally flawed club to shield them

Unlike idyll wild eff it I'll post it


Great summation of where we're at Sev.

We've become a football club driven by bankers and accountants whose focus is on a fiscally conservative risk-averse strategy with commercialism and PR to the fore. We should be an club that is driven by the first team, its football and its success. That should be the key focus.
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29 Aug 2014, 11:34 AM
"It's a myth that we don't invest and it's also a myth that we sit on a pile of cash"
I can't see the video in work, but my thoughts on the stockpiling cash...

They're not stockpiling money as such. However, they're not making use of the available debt facility. To a degree which seems unnaturally risk-averse.

A company of our size and with our business model should be able to flexibly use a debt facility without it adversely affecting the business in any way. Instead we're clearing it down to zero. Companies use debt everyday as part of their normal operations, and we're not just talking about long-term loans.

I don't know why we operate this way. We might splurge next close season if rangers are promoted, or we might carry on with a target of zero debt. But right now, while the phrase "stockpiling cash" might be inaccurate, we're certainly not spending what we'd be expected to in the normal course of things.

Either we're preparing for an incredibly bleak future and this is the ever-decreasing norm, or we're going to increase the football investment again at some specific point in the future.
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zombieslayer35
29 Aug 2014, 11:29 AM
Updates would be nice for us in work :thumbsup:
So in summary, for anyone not able to access the vid:

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Bitterly disappointed. Sharing the pain. We all feel the same outcome, feel the pain.

Got to move on. Didnt plan for Europa but we have it and must do best we can. Go for treble.

Dont panic. Keep the head. Do best thing for long term

"Clearly we're in period of transition".

New manager has good ideas but is replacing a legend and nothing prepares a young man for the Celtic job. We knew all this.

He has new ideas and a philosophy. There was a transfer window and speculation about players leaving for him to deal with.

A chapter has now finished. Not the way we'd like it to but it has. Must look forward and every confidence in manager.

We'll give him every support financially and he'll build a good team

MON, Strachan and Lenny all had early Euro hiccups (my note - that's a stretch with MON). You need time in periods of transition. You must make allowances for the fact this all new to Ronny and nothing prepares you for enormity of job

Now we go into phase two. RD will have all our support, board, staff, players, fans. He just needs time to build team. Objective is winning, entertaining football.

Re lack of investment. There is a lot of misunderstanding in terms of Scottish football and Celtic

Huge challenges. To say spend, spend, spend is the solution is superficial and wrong. Must take balanced look

We have invested heavily and brought in quality. We gave NL £30m+ Strachan £38m+

Board's commitment is clear. We reinvest every penny back into the club for the longer term.

We will be flexible with debt, but cannot jeopardise long-term future with reckless spending.

"We'll spend everything, but no more. Can't get better commitment than that."

Need to be intelligent too. Create Champions League players. We've done that over five or six years. We've been clever. Scoured Europe and the world for quality to develop.

Our track record doing so is fantastic. We've got more right than wrong

But cos of European football economic situation we cant get very best. Mentions Shane Long and Ross McCormack. We cant afford those fees or wages.

Thankfully we've got more right than wrong. We are well-known as one of the best-run clubs in Europe if not world. Last 11 years track record has been titles and CL whilst second and third-largest clubs in country went bust

Myth we are sitting on cash reserve. Have small one to provide stability in period of uncertainty. Will invest at right time and properly

On and off park, club going in right direction.

Re criticism of amount of loan signings. RD wants to take his time and get it right. He wants to assess first.

We could've bought them. Could've paid money. But smarter to negotiate loans and see if they settle and fit, then pay later rather than up front.

Also issue of salary. Repeats claim we could buy £6m player, but salary breaks wage structure. Single signing would be more than entire wage bill of SPL opposition

Wanyama, VVD, Hooper, Ledley, Forsster, Commons - these are quality players bought at wage level we can afford and maintain. If they move on later, we reinvest back into club

Loans are normal. Ie Lukaka. Now bought permanently. So nothing out ordinary.

Funds are there. Not mountains of cash but funds to support RD "in last few days of window, or January, or going forward"

Re fans' frustrations about weakening squad. We dont get them all right. When players leave you replace with better, admits that hasn't happened in case. We must make sure that pipeline keeps flowing, but accepts it hasn't always. "Have we replaced Hooper? Very viable question. But not for want of trying."

Problems attracting players to this environment. "We made many offers as in last window."

Revenues in Scotland are on the decline. Perception of product not the best. Do we need Rangers? At time I said, no, our strategy is independent. We're seeing proof of that, but revenues still come down cos they are not here and we fill the gap by selling players.

McGregor and Henderson show worth of academy. Huge objective of club and player development is one of RD big strengths. He's very excited about that. There are more behind the surface. We want to see these players come through and it's a reason Ronnie is here.

Rest of window - speculation is part of territory. Delighted with five we've brought in. Like to add one more and are working hard on it

Departures, we dont want any of our big players to leave and tey've been told that. But who knows what will happen in next fw days.

As lifelong Celtic supporter nobody hurts more than me. Board are all supporters. Only interest we have is what is in best interest of Celtic. We know about football and we hurt as much as everybody else.

Board members have reached top of their respective fields through ambition and ability. You don't lose that when you come to Celtic.
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mick405
29 Aug 2014, 11:41 AM
effin hell, huns aren't there so we augment revenue by selling our best players. Good one Peter, don't worry about us paying money to come and watch a good standard of player and football you moron. Anyone that believes a word this clown says needs their head checked.

Yer no in touch at all.
Unfortunately too many do believe the pish.
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I can't even get angry whilst watching that video.
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So we are all a bunch of thick ***** with no understanding of anything :ffs: Good luck shifting tickets for cup game. Fans turning up for league games and shifting season tickets next season.
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Ooooooh! Phase 1 is complete acc to PL!

Perceived lack of investment? It's an 'actual' lack of investment!

We are 'creating' champions league players! The selling them sharpish

It seems our strategy is spend little and fingers crossed we get more wrong than right!

I'm lot defending him but our record in the last 10 years while other have capitulated is good on the surface - but the complacency about it is so painfully Evident
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Watched the first three minutes and that was enough. Same old condescending garbage. The guy has not learned a thing and clearly thinks the support are imbeciles that will continue to stomach the lies that he peddles. The worm has turned and the sooner the Board realises this and get rid of this charlatan the better for all concerned.
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Lawwell get to feck !! Treating us as dummies - that video has done more damage than getting pumped by Legia !
Time to go ya Bassa !!
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OptimusCheese
29 Aug 2014, 11:37 AM
Dianogah
29 Aug 2014, 11:26 AM
:lol: Oh, that made me mad.

Patronising carrot.
Says nothing. We got more right than we got wrong?
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he gives the same interview every year..probably word for word.
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