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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,926 Views)
fatboab
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sevilliano
28 Aug 2014, 11:41 PM
Iydllwild posted yesterday that he couldn't bring himself to post the reasons why he'd ended up where he is now with Celtic and thinking it through I can see why but drink has been taken and I'm not angry but sad

However I think I'm a few years further down the road of cynicism but I do think the case for Celtic being far better than it is can be made without being sentimental

Born into a Celtic supporting family but whose first memories are feyenoord (not paying players?) and thistle whilst young at time of glory years it really is in subconscious rather than in memory

The real shock was healthy competition of early to mid 80s giving way to the Holmes Murray souness world where we we effed and the families who owned Celtic could not cope with banked backed entrepreneurs

Celtic in my formative years were a team filled with likes of burns provan Nicholas mccluskey - really nowhere on a par with 65-74 but a football team you could identify with and would make an effort to see because it was entertaining (albeit not when keepers let us down time and again)

We were not european giants but we were competent - losing to notts forest or sociedad was no disgrace and was close fought with good teams against us

So I don't dream of European glory and I've sat and watched the corrupt hun eff us through dark days at hampden ibrox etc etc

The arrival of fergus didn't fill me with joy cause I could see from working for him that his driver was his return

That it coincided with us stopping 10iar was luck for us and fergus because honestly he wouldn't change short term for long term but whilst that is commendable that strategy is medium long term and not fixated on short term in his reign
Things have gone far askew since then

Fergus put 9m of his own money into Celtic for a return and having got it left

Dermot took up the slack but provides no direction or strategy since then

In basic terms dermot debted up the business under mon to compete with the hun and enjoyed high profile euro success then left it to his accountant since 2004 to drive the debt and business down

But in the meantime the euphoria of saving the club stopping 10 and achieving relative success in Europe and watching the demise of the hun over the last 8 years we've seen a club going nowhere

And really when the music stops you see that no one has been watching the football shop, that no one has kept alive the relationship between Celtic it's fans and football

We have moved from the useless rump of whytes and Kellys trying to play at business whilst extracting their inheritance on a bi weekly basis through our VC fergus to end up at a useless rump practised at property development, remuneration committees but with no commitment to football or Celtic

I think these guys who control, run our club fail because they either they don't give a flying one or can't be bothered looking at what makes a club work decade after decade - and it's not the balance sheet in their language it's the intangible

Not because they are taking the piss over money - dermot could make more elsewhere and pl could make close to what he earns at Celtic - but because they don't get it - they are focused on finance

My family in part supported Celtic because it was a catholic club but for a large part because it was a football club who played football - not kick and rush of the hun, not the bigotry of the hun

And that held true through the 80s as the legacy of lions and quality street filtered through

Since then though despite the slogans we've become just another club and as the corporate boys play their games we've moved further and further from being a football club based on the values of stein

So we fail as as corporate money making machine in a tiny country marginalised in uefa terms

But more so we fail because the core has been lost - of developing the identity of Celtic, of football, of youth, of community, of charity

We have football in the community officers at Celtic being tasked with being profit centres !! We have first team players being paid 1/10 of the CEO, it's effin mental how far away we've got from doing the basics right


60,000 people will come and support this football team because of a legacy and it's a good legacy

If only they understood that if they made a fist of understanding that they have to make the best of the environment we operate in by being a truly exceptional football club from youth upwards that would be enough

Instead in some kind of blairite new Celtic they try to persuade us that their way is the only way and we should be thankful as they spout pish and take their money year after year leaving others trying to work off fundamentally flawed club to shield them

Unlike idyll wild eff it I'll post it


now that is a proper post. Well said that man. :thumbsup:
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The Poacher
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Samule: Desmond was part of the Come Dine with Me group Dave set up pre No10 as per C4 Despatches

Corky: Lawwell (or whoever would replace him as Chief Exec) is financially rewarded by meeting targets that in turn might be detrimental to football operations, yup? Without putting anyone in an awkward position could you give us a bit more info about what your alluding to there?
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Add Ledley and Hooper to the team that played the other night and we suddenly look a different proposition. Both these players wanted to stay but we didnt give them the cash. The board need to understand that sometimes you do need to speculate to accumulate. These players are as far from a financial gamble as you could get. They gave you guaranteed goals (hooper) and strength and stability in the middle (Ledley).

Even if these guys were asking for an extra 10k a week each, qualification to the Champions League would more than make up for that.

I have no issue with selling players like Wanyama and Forster as they genuinely want to leave, but the ones who would have stayed are the ones that the board need to take the blame for.
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goalsgallagher
29 Aug 2014, 11:10 AM
Add Ledley and Hooper to the team that played the other night and we suddenly look a different proposition. Both these players wanted to stay but we didnt give them the cash. The board need to understand that sometimes you do need to speculate to accumulate. These players are as far from a financial gamble as you could get. They gave you guaranteed goals (hooper) and strength and stability in the middle (Ledley).
This.

What also galled me about the sale of guys like Hooper, Ledley, Forster, et al was the fact that they were young and learning their trade under Lennon who was a relatively inexperienced manager himself. I had a season ticket in 2010 and he brought all of these guys in as his team after he'd been given the gig. A lot of folk, myself included, really connected with the side in 2010/11 because they were so good to watch. As they learned from their mistakes and grew from strength to strength, with 2012/13 being the peak with the wins over Barcelona and Spartak, I think people were really in step with the team and the manager. It was a young bunch of players managed by a management staff learning their own trade and we were with them for the journey.

To an extent this was always going to happen as good players are inevitably destined for bigger leagues than the Scottish Premiership but I just can't help but feel that the arse of that team was completely ripped out unnecessarily when we actually had something damn good.
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The Poacher
29 Aug 2014, 11:08 AM
Samule: Desmond was part of the Come Dine with Me group Dave set up pre No10 as per C4 Despatches

Corky: Lawwell (or whoever would replace him as Chief Exec) is financially rewarded by meeting targets that in turn might be detrimental to football operations, yup? Without putting anyone in an awkward position could you give us a bit more info about what your alluding to there?
I was basically given chapter and verse by someone (more than 5 years ago) about how we went about our business that summer - 2008. I know that on a number of deals - PL has continued in the same vein.

I have no idea if such a strategy was determined by PL's bonus as I have not seen and have no idea as to the fine print of his contract. In all honesty, I suspect its just PL making a dog's dinner of it



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The Poacher
29 Aug 2014, 11:08 AM
Samule: Desmond was part of the Come Dine with Me group Dave set up pre No10 as per C4 Despatches

Corky: Lawwell (or whoever would replace him as Chief Exec) is financially rewarded by meeting targets that in turn might be detrimental to football operations, yup? Without putting anyone in an awkward position could you give us a bit more info about what your alluding to there?
Cheers Poacher, I thought I remembered a connection of some sort there :thumbsup:
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Dianogah
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And it begins

http://www.celticfc.tv/freeview?video=1778
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goalsgallagher
29 Aug 2014, 11:10 AM
Add Ledley and Hooper to the team that played the other night and we suddenly look a different proposition. Both these players wanted to stay but we didnt give them the cash. The board need to understand that sometimes you do need to speculate to accumulate. These players are as far from a financial gamble as you could get. They gave you guaranteed goals (hooper) and strength and stability in the middle (Ledley).

Even if these guys were asking for an extra 10k a week each, qualification to the Champions League would more than make up for that.

I have no issue with selling players like Wanyama and Forster as they genuinely want to leave, but the ones who would have stayed are the ones that the board need to take the blame for.
I wonder just how much (or little) these players were looking for in order for them to stay. In Hooper's case it couldn't be as much as Balde, Pukki and Grifftiths' wages combined
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Updates would be nice for us in work :thumbsup:
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Think I might have to turn this off before I get efe Ambrose to volley my computer monitor out the window.
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I don't think Celtic TV are doing PL any favours by cutting in highlight scenes of the last 10-15 years into the interview :ph43r:
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Dianogah
29 Aug 2014, 11:26 AM
Phase 1 complete :nono:
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A fantastic track record in scouting talents all over the world. Really?
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Peter Lawwell bingo card up already!
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"It's a myth that we don't invest and it's also a myth that we sit on a pile of cash"
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Dianogah
29 Aug 2014, 09:57 AM
Mackin
29 Aug 2014, 09:32 AM
Ian Livingston
Tom Allison
Brian Wilson
Ian Bankier

Add in Peter Lawwell, and you have a board of Tory bastards acting like Tory bastards, call it austerity, call it downsizing, its the same thing. Spend as little as possible while keeping enough to line your own pockets.

Not one thin dime until they are all gone.
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Red tory, blue tory, there is little difference these days.
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I wish he'd get himself to eff. Patronising carrot.

More right than wrong Peter aye?
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Far more right than we've got wrong.

Deluded dolt.
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Lawwell looks a bit rough in that video :lol: He peddles some amount of pish in that interview. Mulgrew a champions league standard player :ffs: . Trying to justify these loan signings too.
Edited by cfc88cfc, 29 Aug 2014, 11:37 AM.
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Sounds like the usual pish :ffs: So out of touch its unreal
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