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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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thenakattack
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28 Aug 2014, 11:47 PM
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- 28 Aug 2014, 11:31 PM
Be interesting to hear what he (PL) has to say at the media love in tomorrow. I honestly dont think it will be, itll be all the usual marketing PR bluster.
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28 Aug 2014, 11:49 PM
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Ive got myself into debt to go and support the club overseas in Europe but after this summer they wont be getting another penny from me. The board haven't only sold Forster, Watt and co, they've sold our soul and taken the piss out of dedicated fans for far too long,
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29 Aug 2014, 12:20 AM
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Not going to quote the post at length Sevilliano but well put.
Would only add that when the board started viewing us as customers rather than fans the game was up.
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29 Aug 2014, 01:06 AM
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- are you here for the game boys
- 29 Aug 2014, 12:20 AM
Not going to quote the post at length Sevilliano but well put.
Would only add that when the board started viewing us as customers rather than fans the game was up. wasnt it McCann who first called us that?
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29 Aug 2014, 01:29 AM
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- 28 Aug 2014, 11:31 PM
Be interesting to hear what he (PL) has to say at the media love in tomorrow.
I honestly dont think it will be, itll be all the usual marketing PR bluster. There will be more spin than Alistair Campbell on amphetamines
Witnessed this guy up close (as others on KDS have) and he's a sharp operator who could sell camel sh**e to a Tunisian peasant farmer
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29 Aug 2014, 02:56 AM
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- 28 Aug 2014, 07:38 PM
Lawwell gets paid £20,000-a-week, making him our highest paid striker at the club. And like the rest of them - he's shyte. Pukki gets more.
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Neil Jung
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29 Aug 2014, 07:52 AM
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- 28 Aug 2014, 07:38 PM
Lawwell gets paid £20,000-a-week, making him our highest paid striker at the club. And like the rest of them - he's shyte.
Pukki gets more. No chance Pukki is in more than 20 grand a week because he was signed when we were actively punting anyone who was either on that sort of money or decided that's the kind of money they were worth. One player in our squad will be on 20grand+ and its the captain.
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29 Aug 2014, 07:59 AM
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This Scepovic signing is too little, too late. Signings need done at the start of the window or in January to let them settle in for these qualifying games. All you hear now from the club is how hard it is to sign players in whatever period of time we are in. No doubt we'll get told by Lawwell we'll look to strengthen in January just like the club always says when we've had a shampoo summer window. Its always Jam Tomorrow from they schysters. You have to be wilfully complicit to believe the shampooe that comes out their mouths nowadays.
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29 Aug 2014, 08:04 AM
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- sevilliano
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Iydllwild posted yesterday that he couldn't bring himself to post the reasons why he'd ended up where he is now with Celtic and thinking it through I can see why but drink has been taken and I'm not angry but sad However I think I'm a few years further down the road of cynicism but I do think the case for Celtic being far better than it is can be made without being sentimental Spoiler: click to toggle Born into a Celtic supporting family but whose first memories are feyenoord (not paying players?) and thistle whilst young at time of glory years it really is in subconscious rather than in memory
The real shock was healthy competition of early to mid 80s giving way to the Holmes Murray souness world where we we effed and the families who owned Celtic could not cope with banked backed entrepreneurs
Celtic in my formative years were a team filled with likes of burns provan Nicholas mccluskey - really nowhere on a par with 65-74 but a football team you could identify with and would make an effort to see because it was entertaining (albeit not when keepers let us down time and again)
We were not european giants but we were competent - losing to notts forest or sociedad was no disgrace and was close fought with good teams against us
So I don't dream of European glory and I've sat and watched the corrupt hun eff us through dark days at hampden ibrox etc etc
The arrival of fergus didn't fill me with joy cause I could see from working for him that his driver was his return
That it coincided with us stopping 10iar was luck for us and fergus because honestly he wouldn't change short term for long term but whilst that is commendable that strategy is medium long term and not fixated on short term in his reign Things have gone far askew since then
Fergus put 9m of his own money into Celtic for a return and having got it left
Dermot took up the slack but provides no direction or strategy since then
In basic terms dermot debted up the business under mon to compete with the hun and enjoyed high profile euro success then left it to his accountant since 2004 to drive the debt and business down
But in the meantime the euphoria of saving the club stopping 10 and achieving relative success in Europe and watching the demise of the hun over the last 8 years we've seen a club going nowhere
And really when the music stops you see that no one has been watching the football shop, that no one has kept alive the relationship between Celtic it's fans and football
We have moved from the useless rump of whytes and Kellys trying to play at business whilst extracting their inheritance on a bi weekly basis through our VC fergus to end up at a useless rump practised at property development, remuneration committees but with no commitment to football or Celtic
I think these guys who control, run our club fail because they either they don't give a flying one or can't be bothered looking at what makes a club work decade after decade - and it's not the balance sheet in their language it's the intangible
Not because they are taking the piss over money - dermot could make more elsewhere and pl could make close to what he earns at Celtic - but because they don't get it - they are focused on finance
My family in part supported Celtic because it was a catholic club but for a large part because it was a football club who played football - not kick and rush of the hun, not the bigotry of the hun
And that held true through the 80s as the legacy of lions and quality street filtered through
Since then though despite the slogans we've become just another club and as the corporate boys play their games we've moved further and further from being a football club based on the values of stein
So we fail as as corporate money making machine in a tiny country marginalised in uefa terms
But more so we fail because the core has been lost - of developing the identity of Celtic, of football, of youth, of community, of charity
We have football in the community officers at Celtic being tasked with being profit centres !! We have first team players being paid 1/10 of the CEO, it's effin mental how far away we've got from doing the basics right
60,000 people will come and support this football team because of a legacy and it's a good legacy
If only they understood that if they made a fist of understanding that they have to make the best of the environment we operate in by being a truly exceptional football club from youth upwards that would be enough
Instead in some kind of blairite new Celtic they try to persuade us that their way is the only way and we should be thankful as they spout pish and take their money year after year leaving others trying to work off fundamentally flawed club to shield them
Unlike idyll wild eff it I'll post it
Fine post sev, absolutely spot on.
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29 Aug 2014, 08:35 AM
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- sevilliano
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Instead in some kind of blairite new Celtic they try to persuade us that their way is the only way and we should be thankful as they spout pish and take their money year after year The whole post's a fine one, but this line stood out for me - the comparison with Celtic and the Labour party is one I hadn't thought of before, but it's very apt. New Celtic and New Labour have had some successes in the last 15-20 years, but they've moved increasingly away from their core support in order to do so.
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29 Aug 2014, 08:38 AM
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- 29 Aug 2014, 12:20 AM
Not going to quote the post at length Sevilliano but well put.
Would only add that when the board started viewing us as customers rather than fans the game was up. They dont treat us as customers though, any company with half a brain treats their customers well.
They treat us as daft supporters, to them that means we will turf in money no matter what and just nod and smile at every decision they make.
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29 Aug 2014, 08:39 AM
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- sevilliano
- 28 Aug 2014, 11:41 PM
Iydllwild posted yesterday that he couldn't bring himself to post the reasons why he'd ended up where he is now with Celtic and thinking it through I can see why but drink has been taken and I'm not angry but sad
However I think I'm a few years further down the road of cynicism but I do think the case for Celtic being far better than it is can be made without being sentimental
Born into a Celtic supporting family but whose first memories are feyenoord (not paying players?) and thistle whilst young at time of glory years it really is in subconscious rather than in memory
The real shock was healthy competition of early to mid 80s giving way to the Holmes Murray souness world where we we effed and the families who owned Celtic could not cope with banked backed entrepreneurs
Celtic in my formative years were a team filled with likes of burns provan Nicholas mccluskey - really nowhere on a par with 65-74 but a football team you could identify with and would make an effort to see because it was entertaining (albeit not when keepers let us down time and again)
We were not european giants but we were competent - losing to notts forest or sociedad was no disgrace and was close fought with good teams against us
So I don't dream of European glory and I've sat and watched the corrupt hun eff us through dark days at hampden ibrox etc etc
The arrival of fergus didn't fill me with joy cause I could see from working for him that his driver was his return
That it coincided with us stopping 10iar was luck for us and fergus because honestly he wouldn't change short term for long term but whilst that is commendable that strategy is medium long term and not fixated on short term in his reign Things have gone far askew since then
Fergus put 9m of his own money into Celtic for a return and having got it left
Dermot took up the slack but provides no direction or strategy since then
In basic terms dermot debted up the business under mon to compete with the hun and enjoyed high profile euro success then left it to his accountant since 2004 to drive the debt and business down
But in the meantime the euphoria of saving the club stopping 10 and achieving relative success in Europe and watching the demise of the hun over the last 8 years we've seen a club going nowhere
And really when the music stops you see that no one has been watching the football shop, that no one has kept alive the relationship between Celtic it's fans and football
We have moved from the useless rump of whytes and Kellys trying to play at business whilst extracting their inheritance on a bi weekly basis through our VC fergus to end up at a useless rump practised at property development, remuneration committees but with no commitment to football or Celtic
I think these guys who control, run our club fail because they either they don't give a flying one or can't be bothered looking at what makes a club work decade after decade - and it's not the balance sheet in their language it's the intangible
Not because they are taking the piss over money - dermot could make more elsewhere and pl could make close to what he earns at Celtic - but because they don't get it - they are focused on finance
My family in part supported Celtic because it was a catholic club but for a large part because it was a football club who played football - not kick and rush of the hun, not the bigotry of the hun
And that held true through the 80s as the legacy of lions and quality street filtered through
Since then though despite the slogans we've become just another club and as the corporate boys play their games we've moved further and further from being a football club based on the values of stein
So we fail as as corporate money making machine in a tiny country marginalised in uefa terms
But more so we fail because the core has been lost - of developing the identity of Celtic, of football, of youth, of community, of charity
We have football in the community officers at Celtic being tasked with being profit centres !! We have first team players being paid 1/10 of the CEO, it's effin mental how far away we've got from doing the basics right
60,000 people will come and support this football team because of a legacy and it's a good legacy
If only they understood that if they made a fist of understanding that they have to make the best of the environment we operate in by being a truly exceptional football club from youth upwards that would be enough
Instead in some kind of blairite new Celtic they try to persuade us that their way is the only way and we should be thankful as they spout pish and take their money year after year leaving others trying to work off fundamentally flawed club to shield them
Unlike idyll wild eff it I'll post it
Sev
Fatboab posted immediately after the final whistle of Barca 6-1 debacle that the Board would go off and enjoy a glass of Rioja with the Barcelona directors and discuss on the flight home how they could do just enough to ensure we made the group stages this year.
That is their mentality to a T.
My disillusionment started in 2008/9 and particularly with PL. We had staged a great comeback to win the league and we had - as always - a chance to push on. We absolutely threw it away. I had a long conversation with someone involved in football and got chapter and verse of some of the dealings that happened that summer and that made me very concerned about what we were doing.
We were looking for utterly unrealistic money for some of our own players - ensuring that players who were surplus to requirement weren't moved on - whilst putting bids in for players that I could only describe as a joke. Particularly as we had indicated something different in the verbal negotiations. It was a summer that saw us sign Loovens and Crosas - neither of whom would ever be described as a first choice and who were either way down their list or, in the case of the Dutchman, not even on it at the start of the summer.
Come winter and we're crying out for goals and we all know what happened with Steven Fletcher. Oldco won the title and it was the first of three
My utter cynicism with them is not a case of either spending money for the sake of it or spending money we don't have. It is a complete failure to spend from a position of strength thus ensuring that we have a better chance of getting the right player and continued success on the pitch with the riches it brings.
Far too often we are buying players at the fag end of windows when the right ones have gone and we end with duds like Bangura,and Miku. Panic buys because the we haven't tried hard enough to get the players we really wanted. It is also economic stupidity. Look at the money we have lost on Balde, Pukki and Griffiths and think we would have actually saved money if we had given Hooper what he wanted. And please don't anybody say, "oh that would just have resulted in every other player demanding the same." That is nonsense - the same argument used by directors to justify their ludicrous salaries.
PL and board really have continued in the same vein since 2008 and refuse to learn the lessons. I was told (and other can correct me if this info is wrong) that there was a difference of £2K a week with what Olivier Giroud wanted (when he was in the French 2nd division) and what we were prepared to give him. We then went out and signed Rasmussen.
I accept totally that we can't get it right all the time and YOU WILL have bad buys at some point - it is unavoidable. But as Dianogah's separate thread proves, our policy on strikers has been an absolute clusterEff because we fail to accept that some times you have to push the boat out a bit more than you want to get the desired quality. The long terms results of that policy have financially cost us severely.
Last summer I couldn't believe that we decided to get through the qualifiers without any serious attempts to replace some of the quality we had just sold. To say we scraped into the CL group stages doesn't do it justice.
However I had resigned myself to conclude that PL would still try it again given half a chance. But even I've been taken aback at the shambles of this summer. We bring in a new manager and we conclude our first proper transfer deal (a player who isn't a loan or on a free due to not having a club) two days before the window shuts.
Well as others have said, hitting them in the pocket is the only way to bring to their attention their utter folly.
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29 Aug 2014, 09:32 AM
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Add in Peter Lawwell, and you have a board of Tory bastards acting like Tory bastards, call it austerity, call it downsizing, its the same thing. Spend as little as possible while keeping enough to line your own pockets.
Not one thin dime until they are all gone.
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29 Aug 2014, 09:39 AM
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- 29 Aug 2014, 09:32 AM
Ian Livingston Tom Allison Brian Wilson Ian Bankier
Add in Peter Lawwell, and you have a board of Tory bastards acting like Tory bastards, call it austerity, call it downsizing, its the same thing. Spend as little as possible while keeping enough to line your own pockets.
Not one thin dime until they are all gone.
Desmond too, pretty sure I remember something about him donating money to the Tories (or it may have been whichever of Ireland's main parties is their closest equivalent). Celtic has the most left wing support in the most left wing city in Britain, yet is run by people who have absolutely nothing in common with the vast majority of that support.
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29 Aug 2014, 09:55 AM
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Ian Livingston Tom Allison Brian Wilson Ian Bankier
Add in Peter Lawwell, and you have a board of Tory bastards acting like Tory bastards, call it austerity, call it downsizing, its the same thing. Spend as little as possible while keeping enough to line your own pockets.
Not one thin dime until they are all gone. Desmond too, pretty sure I remember something about him donating money to the Tories (or it may have been whichever of Ireland's main parties is their closest equivalent). Celtic has the most left wing support in the most left wing city in Britain, yet is run by people who have absolutely nothing in common with the vast majority of that support. I actually believe that the board thought they could get past maibor and decided to gamble like last year they made a royal fk up and now they are scrambling
the green brigade have been isolated the team have been dismantled the relationship with the support/customers has been estranged
the board no that this is going to be a hard year to get cash out of the customers pockets( bet the three new kits bomb) and the interview today is part of the charm offensive
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29 Aug 2014, 09:57 AM
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- 29 Aug 2014, 09:32 AM
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Add in Peter Lawwell, and you have a board of Tory bastards acting like Tory bastards, call it austerity, call it downsizing, its the same thing. Spend as little as possible while keeping enough to line your own pockets.
Not one thin dime until they are all gone.
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29 Aug 2014, 09:59 AM
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- 28 Aug 2014, 11:41 PM
Iydllwild posted yesterday that he couldn't bring himself to post the reasons why he'd ended up where he is now with Celtic and thinking it through I can see why but drink has been taken and I'm not angry but sad However I think I'm a few years further down the road of cynicism but I do think the case for Celtic being far better than it is can be made without being sentimental Spoiler: click to toggle Born into a Celtic supporting family but whose first memories are feyenoord (not paying players?) and thistle whilst young at time of glory years it really is in subconscious rather than in memory
The real shock was healthy competition of early to mid 80s giving way to the Holmes Murray souness world where we we effed and the families who owned Celtic could not cope with banked backed entrepreneurs
Celtic in my formative years were a team filled with likes of burns provan Nicholas mccluskey - really nowhere on a par with 65-74 but a football team you could identify with and would make an effort to see because it was entertaining (albeit not when keepers let us down time and again)
We were not european giants but we were competent - losing to notts forest or sociedad was no disgrace and was close fought with good teams against us
So I don't dream of European glory and I've sat and watched the corrupt hun eff us through dark days at hampden ibrox etc etc
The arrival of fergus didn't fill me with joy cause I could see from working for him that his driver was his return
That it coincided with us stopping 10iar was luck for us and fergus because honestly he wouldn't change short term for long term but whilst that is commendable that strategy is medium long term and not fixated on short term in his reign Things have gone far askew since then
Fergus put 9m of his own money into Celtic for a return and having got it left
Dermot took up the slack but provides no direction or strategy since then
In basic terms dermot debted up the business under mon to compete with the hun and enjoyed high profile euro success then left it to his accountant since 2004 to drive the debt and business down
But in the meantime the euphoria of saving the club stopping 10 and achieving relative success in Europe and watching the demise of the hun over the last 8 years we've seen a club going nowhere
And really when the music stops you see that no one has been watching the football shop, that no one has kept alive the relationship between Celtic it's fans and football
We have moved from the useless rump of whytes and Kellys trying to play at business whilst extracting their inheritance on a bi weekly basis through our VC fergus to end up at a useless rump practised at property development, remuneration committees but with no commitment to football or Celtic
I think these guys who control, run our club fail because they either they don't give a flying one or can't be bothered looking at what makes a club work decade after decade - and it's not the balance sheet in their language it's the intangible
Not because they are taking the piss over money - dermot could make more elsewhere and pl could make close to what he earns at Celtic - but because they don't get it - they are focused on finance
My family in part supported Celtic because it was a catholic club but for a large part because it was a football club who played football - not kick and rush of the hun, not the bigotry of the hun
And that held true through the 80s as the legacy of lions and quality street filtered through
Since then though despite the slogans we've become just another club and as the corporate boys play their games we've moved further and further from being a football club based on the values of stein
So we fail as as corporate money making machine in a tiny country marginalised in uefa terms
But more so we fail because the core has been lost - of developing the identity of Celtic, of football, of youth, of community, of charity
We have football in the community officers at Celtic being tasked with being profit centres !! We have first team players being paid 1/10 of the CEO, it's effin mental how far away we've got from doing the basics right
60,000 people will come and support this football team because of a legacy and it's a good legacy
If only they understood that if they made a fist of understanding that they have to make the best of the environment we operate in by being a truly exceptional football club from youth upwards that would be enough
Instead in some kind of blairite new Celtic they try to persuade us that their way is the only way and we should be thankful as they spout pish and take their money year after year leaving others trying to work off fundamentally flawed club to shield them
Unlike idyll wild eff it I'll post it
Fine post sev, absolutely spot on. The only part I'd disagree with is the part about us being a Catholic club.
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29 Aug 2014, 10:01 AM
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well labour is just a different way of saying tory these days.
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29 Aug 2014, 10:34 AM
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- sevilliano
- 28 Aug 2014, 11:41 PM
Iydllwild posted yesterday that he couldn't bring himself to post the reasons why he'd ended up where he is now with Celtic and thinking it through I can see why but drink has been taken and I'm not angry but sad
However I think I'm a few years further down the road of cynicism but I do think the case for Celtic being far better than it is can be made without being sentimental
Born into a Celtic supporting family but whose first memories are feyenoord (not paying players?) and thistle whilst young at time of glory years it really is in subconscious rather than in memory
The real shock was healthy competition of early to mid 80s giving way to the Holmes Murray souness world where we we effed and the families who owned Celtic could not cope with banked backed entrepreneurs
Celtic in my formative years were a team filled with likes of burns provan Nicholas mccluskey - really nowhere on a par with 65-74 but a football team you could identify with and would make an effort to see because it was entertaining (albeit not when keepers let us down time and again)
We were not european giants but we were competent - losing to notts forest or sociedad was no disgrace and was close fought with good teams against us
So I don't dream of European glory and I've sat and watched the corrupt hun eff us through dark days at hampden ibrox etc etc
The arrival of fergus didn't fill me with joy cause I could see from working for him that his driver was his return
That it coincided with us stopping 10iar was luck for us and fergus because honestly he wouldn't change short term for long term but whilst that is commendable that strategy is medium long term and not fixated on short term in his reign Things have gone far askew since then
Fergus put 9m of his own money into Celtic for a return and having got it left
Dermot took up the slack but provides no direction or strategy since then
In basic terms dermot debted up the business under mon to compete with the hun and enjoyed high profile euro success then left it to his accountant since 2004 to drive the debt and business down
But in the meantime the euphoria of saving the club stopping 10 and achieving relative success in Europe and watching the demise of the hun over the last 8 years we've seen a club going nowhere
And really when the music stops you see that no one has been watching the football shop, that no one has kept alive the relationship between Celtic it's fans and football
We have moved from the useless rump of whytes and Kellys trying to play at business whilst extracting their inheritance on a bi weekly basis through our VC fergus to end up at a useless rump practised at property development, remuneration committees but with no commitment to football or Celtic
I think these guys who control, run our club fail because they either they don't give a flying one or can't be bothered looking at what makes a club work decade after decade - and it's not the balance sheet in their language it's the intangible
Not because they are taking the piss over money - dermot could make more elsewhere and pl could make close to what he earns at Celtic - but because they don't get it - they are focused on finance
My family in part supported Celtic because it was a catholic club but for a large part because it was a football club who played football - not kick and rush of the hun, not the bigotry of the hun
And that held true through the 80s as the legacy of lions and quality street filtered through
Since then though despite the slogans we've become just another club and as the corporate boys play their games we've moved further and further from being a football club based on the values of stein
So we fail as as corporate money making machine in a tiny country marginalised in uefa terms
But more so we fail because the core has been lost - of developing the identity of Celtic, of football, of youth, of community, of charity
We have football in the community officers at Celtic being tasked with being profit centres !! We have first team players being paid 1/10 of the CEO, it's effin mental how far away we've got from doing the basics right
60,000 people will come and support this football team because of a legacy and it's a good legacy
If only they understood that if they made a fist of understanding that they have to make the best of the environment we operate in by being a truly exceptional football club from youth upwards that would be enough
Instead in some kind of blairite new Celtic they try to persuade us that their way is the only way and we should be thankful as they spout pish and take their money year after year leaving others trying to work off fundamentally flawed club to shield them
Unlike idyll wild eff it I'll post it
I can't see how any supporter in our age group could disagree with those sentiments.
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29 Aug 2014, 10:56 AM
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- searcher52
- 28 Aug 2014, 11:31 PM
Be interesting to hear what he (PL) has to say at the media love in tomorrow. I will tell you what exactly he will say. " We have brought in a new manager and things take time. He came in and had to access the squad and players who we have in our scouting system needed to be selected by him. He also had to review the current squad as well as proritising for the CL games, which left little time. Money is available for the right investement but wages are hampering our abilities to bring in the best players even if they want to come to a one sided scottish league. We understand the frustartions but we a family and we must stick together." Ps if he says that hes finished.
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