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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,928 Views)
murphio
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wigwam
28 Aug 2014, 09:51 PM
murphio
28 Aug 2014, 09:48 PM
Auldyin
28 Aug 2014, 09:46 PM

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Auldyin's been up at CP for tea and biscuits again.
:lol:

It's not really cyclical, even if it was, would you advocate just sitting on your hands doing nothing, expecting your 'turn' to come round again? No effort required at all, just a bit of patience?
Yep, that appears to be exactly what the strategy is. Don't worry lads, we'll manage this decline as best we can, wait for the huns to come back to regenerate some domestic interest and throw enough mud at the wall in terms of cheap signings and loan deals in the hope some might stick. Oh, and pray to god we get a generous draw in the qualifiers. Fingers crossed for next year.
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Belgrano
28 Aug 2014, 04:35 PM
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28 Aug 2014, 03:54 PM
You say the policy is clearly no longer working - its worked the past couple of seasons and was 15/20 mins away from working again ie in obtaining CL Qualification. That is about as much as we can really hope for is it not? Last 16 at a push ,certainly nothing beyond that. If the manager gets the signings right then we dont have a problem, if he doesnt as has been the case recently then this is what happens, If Derk had turned out like a Hooper or Berget like Wanyama or Ambrose like VVD ..would things have been different....all transfers are a risk/gamble - has Torres been a success for £50m, spending big on transfers carries no guarantees... no one knows for sure if Deila has money to spend or if the loans have been forced upon him..

We are where we are , why damage the club any more ?

Had we qualified on Wednesday there would have been no talk of boycotts,cancelling tickets,not going back etc etc.... that to me is Glory hunting we may differ in our opinion as to what to call it.

Dont get me wrong I am as angry and upset as the next supporter but football goes in cycles - it always has done.... I am not suddenly going to stop supporting my team just because we didnt reach this seasons CL...
If you're happy with the way the club is being run, then that's good for you. But I think you'll find yourself increasingly in the minority.

You say the policy almost worked? That had we qualified on Wednesday, everything would have been rosey in the garden. But it isn't. We didn't qualify. And I don't think too many of us are surprised we didn't qualify. We rode our luck big time last season, and were a crossbar away from being put out by Karagandy. Then despite those warning flags that the team needed investment, we didn't sign anyone else and inevitably finished rock bottom of our group.

This season we knew we faced similar challenges in qualifying. We had over 6 months to prepare for qualification - line up some signings, attempt to consolidate and keep some of our better players, or plan for how we were to progress. Instead we've sold our best player for £10m and the guy who scored our winner against Barcelona. And spent not a penny on the side to strengthen or replace it. And that's also not even taking into account that we've also lost Ledley and Samaras from that same qualification period last year.

If you think it's about "glory hunting" or just a recent thing, then you deserve everything the board will continue to give you. And that's exactly what they will do, unless the language of money (or, more accurately, lack of) starts getting the message through to them that the current policy isn't working.
There is not too much to get excited about with Celtic football these days. At the end of the day its about entertainment, and there is not much of that with the current squad and manager.

If there is a policy of developing youth and buying cheap fair enough. However its not working. Those executing this policy are producing absolutely crap football. They should be sacked.

On the management side of things we have basically disintrested managers that geniunley have Celtic at the heart and where sickened off the job. MON, WGS, Lenny. We've got Roy Keane telling us thanks but no thanks.

Sorry, this isn't good enough for me.
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Regarding the recruitment policy we currently operate, after Virgil is sold it looks as though that will be it. Who else is going to be sold on from this bunch?
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tinsoldier
28 Aug 2014, 09:51 PM
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28 Aug 2014, 09:44 PM
From Lawwell, as recently as February this year:

Celtic now have £5.7m in the bank and, with Lawwell describing the Scottish champions as arguably being in the best financial health in their history, he pledged to make up to £8m available for one player - so long as Lennon and his scouting team can convince him the target represents value for money. "Neil will have substantial funds to spend in the summer," said Lawwell. "We’re in arguably the best financial state we’ve ever been in but it makes no sense to keep the money in the bank. We want to invest in the club by investing in good footballers that create value for the club."

Is that right Peter? Wonder if he'll change his tune in his 'exclusive' interview with Clyde tomorrow?
"Up to £8m available for one player". Oh FFS.

Tomorrow will be stage managed nonsense, a game of Lawwell bingo for the listeners.

Yet there will be many who line up to swallow his garbage.
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28 Aug 2014, 09:44 PM
From Lawwell, as recently as February this year:

Celtic now have £5.7m in the bank and, with Lawwell describing the Scottish champions as arguably being in the best financial health in their history, he pledged to make up to £8m available for one player - so long as Lennon and his scouting team can convince him the target represents value for money. "Neil will have substantial funds to spend in the summer," said Lawwell. "We’re in arguably the best financial state we’ve ever been in but it makes no sense to keep the money in the bank. We want to invest in the club by investing in good footballers that create value for the club."

Is that right Peter? Wonder if he'll change his tune in his 'exclusive' interview with Clyde tomorrow?
Can't believe he is that arrogant that he believes him spouting crap about prudence tomorrow will work.
I can hear his rally cry
We need the support now more than ever( ie we need your money)
Why doesn't he take a pay cut
He is not delivering

The malcontent is getting back to where we were when the boycott occurred with the Kelly's and whites.
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tinsoldier
28 Aug 2014, 10:02 PM
Regarding the recruitment policy we currently operate, after Virgil is sold it looks as though that will be it. Who else is going to be sold on from this bunch?
Correct. Once he goes it's all over. Our major problem then is not clubs banging down our door wanting to our buy players but getting rid of the likes of Balde, Pukki, Boerrigter, Rogic and Kayal who are a massive drain on the wagebill.
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Cyclical? Some people will believe anything.

Here's another cliche: speculate to accumulate.
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paulfg42
28 Aug 2014, 10:09 PM
Cyclical? Some people will believe anything.

Here's another cliche: speculate to accumulate.
There are a couple of posters on here who seem relatively ITK that have heard we are actively downsizing as that is the cycle we are in.

They are screwing the fanbase & they just do not give two effs.
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oataat
28 Aug 2014, 03:54 PM
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28 Aug 2014, 03:32 PM
oataat
28 Aug 2014, 03:21 PM
But time is something he most certainly will not get if all the ones on here calling for boycotts, cancelling HCTS , cancelling DD for Season Tickets are anything to go by.

Its laughable- we slag Aberdeen,Dundee UTd,Kilmarnock etc about being Glory hunters when we have a support who are exactly the same, want to pack it in as soon as things go pear shaped on the field..... either very young or have very short memories if they think this is bad...
There's absolutely nothing "sudden" about how things have gone 'pear shaped'. The sheer inevitability of it, all the ignored warning signs, and the blind continuation of a policy that is clearly no longer working have resulted in many fans feeling they way they do. It certainly has nothing to do with "glory hunting". Had we have qualified on Wednesday, those same concerns, complaints and reservations would still have been there among the fans. But all it would have done would to have bought the board a bit more time before those feelings, inevitably, manifested themselves in a situation were fans are genuinely considering withdrawing financial support for the club until things change.

The fans aren't stupid. You may describe it as "packing things in". Others will make the educated observation that the only language boards understand is financial hits. All the protests, boycotts and demonstrations in the world will have almost eff all impact if the same financial resources are flowing into the club. Once they flow reduce, or stop altogether, then the board have to sit up and take notice of the message being sent. Until that moment - it's business as usual, and the board have tacit approval from the fans to continue the present disastrous policy.
You say the policy is clearly no longer working - its worked the past couple of seasons and was 15/20 mins away from working again ie in obtaining CL Qualification. That is about as much as we can really hope for is it not? Last 16 at a push ,certainly nothing beyond that. If the manager gets the signings right then we dont have a problem, if he doesnt as has been the case recently then this is what happens, If Derk had turned out like a Hooper or Berget like Wanyama or Ambrose like VVD ..would things have been different....all transfers are a risk/gamble - has Torres been a success for £50m, spending big on transfers carries no guarantees... no one knows for sure if Deila has money to spend or if the loans have been forced upon him..

We are where we are , why damage the club any more ?

Had we qualified on Wednesday there would have been no talk of boycotts,cancelling tickets,not going back etc etc.... that to me is Glory hunting we may differ in our opinion as to what to call it.

Dont get me wrong I am as angry and upset as the next supporter but football goes in cycles - it always has done.... I am not suddenly going to stop supporting my team just because we didnt reach this seasons CL...
"What's for dinner tonight, love?"

"Gruel again"

"Braw I love the gruel me"

"aye slurp it down son, slurp it down"
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james55a
28 Aug 2014, 01:10 PM
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28 Aug 2014, 01:01 PM
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28 Aug 2014, 12:06 PM
It's surely right that the long-term financial stability of the club must be the only business objective of a responsible board.
Strongly disagree. The board have just as big a responsibility to the current climate as they do the future.

Also, it's extremely difficult to safeguard the future whilst such apathy exists in the present.
There's absolutely no doubt that it's extremely difficult Declan. That's why "sack the board!" or "change the manager!" or "FFS splash the cash Lawell!" are no more than simplistic knee-jerk reactions that don't get us anywhere.
Just newly on board :lol:
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28 Aug 2014, 10:34 PM
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28 Aug 2014, 01:10 PM
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There's absolutely no doubt that it's extremely difficult Declan. That's why "sack the board!" or "change the manager!" or "FFS splash the cash Lawell!" are no more than simplistic knee-jerk reactions that don't get us anywhere.
Just newly on board :lol:
No one is expecting PL to splash 15 million on new players, just to actually identify and sign talented players for the positions we need. Even if that means spending 3-5 million on one player.
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28 Aug 2014, 10:44 PM
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28 Aug 2014, 10:34 PM
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28 Aug 2014, 01:10 PM

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Just newly on board :lol:
No one is expecting PL to splash 15 million on new players, just to actually identify and sign talented players for the positions we need. Even if that means spending 3-5 million on one player.
I expect him to do the square root of eff all when it comes to identifying players for Celtic.
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28 Aug 2014, 07:36 PM
I have heard today that the youth budget has been slashed over the last couple of years with the football coaches acting as taxi drivers picking up the young players and dropping them off. Also told that the club have made drastic changes to operating costs throughout the club - was a wee bit worrying considering we are supposed to be a big club
Aye? Concerning if we're cutting our youth development budget. We don't spend enough as it is.
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No one is expecting PL to splash 15 million on new players, just to actually identify and sign talented players for the positions we need. Even if that means spending 3-5 million on one player.
I expect him to do the square root of eff all when it comes to identifying players for Celtic.
He should have feck all to do with identifying players.

This "cyclical" pish is doing my breests in.

PL has manufactured this situation by perching himself as DOF whilst gambling and making a complete arse of it!!! He appointed Deila and he interferes all over the shop,has disconnected a large chunk of the Support,has had season ticket sales diminishing year after year when the figures given include many kids tickets at £50 a pop and to crown it all he has just cost the Club £15-£20million + despite having had two bites at it - Any other CEO would be down the road for that loss of revenue alone.
Edited by CaltonBhoy1967, 28 Aug 2014, 11:30 PM.
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Be interesting to hear what he (PL) has to say at the media love in tomorrow.
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It's clear that there has been a policy of prudence since Seville. This has led to a lack of quality-down sizing, if you will. Much of this seems to be down to the wage structure and the desire to sell on for a profit. Great when it works-wanyama, forster, hooper etc. however, too many poor purchases up front have seen money squandered . Surely going for one big signing for 5 or 6 million as opposed to 3 or 4 signings for less in the hope they work out would be advantageous? Aside from the increased quality on the field, the feel good factor of having an icon, somebody to sell shirts etc must be a better business model. Balde, pukki, stokes, griffiths, bangurra, boerichter...not seen many shirts with those names. Yet perversely, The short sighted and penny pinching nature of the board has cost us a fortune! Think back to the failure to sign fletcher seeing the huns win 3 in a row in a period we should have buried them! This is the same attitude. No one wants to see us going heavily into debt, but what's the point if a healthy bank balance and empty shirts and empty seats in the stands? To me, it is a betrayal of the support and the standards that were set long ago. Safely, I cannot see it changing whilst Dd and lawell are there.
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28 Aug 2014, 11:31 PM
Be interesting to hear what he (PL) has to say at the media love in tomorrow.
He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time and every word that comes out is a lie including the words "and" and "the".
Edited by Barnsey, 28 Aug 2014, 11:37 PM.
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It's a terrible strategy anyway, that has Celtic as little more than a conveyor belt for good players and a stopping point for terrible-to-average players.

My days of having football heroes are long gone, but I'd say there's little chance of youngsters idolising anyone these day. Very quickly they'll realise that they're off with a bag of swag on their back.

Within two games, we had people saying VVD or Wanyama etc were 'too good for us' and speculating about the kind of cash they'd bring it. I appreciate it is part of football, but people are obsessed by it. It's only good for who we can get to replace the players lost. It should not be the name of the game. Putting good teams on the park and giving them a fighting chance is what it's all about. With it comes the big nights, bigger crowds, more youngsters interested instead of watching fecking Chelsea or Man City instead.

I get the feeling that the board think, it's been a good party, but time to get the hoover out.
Edited by Ned Rise, 28 Aug 2014, 11:41 PM.
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Iydllwild posted yesterday that he couldn't bring himself to post the reasons why he'd ended up where he is now with Celtic and thinking it through I can see why but drink has been taken and I'm not angry but sad

However I think I'm a few years further down the road of cynicism but I do think the case for Celtic being far better than it is can be made without being sentimental

Born into a Celtic supporting family but whose first memories are feyenoord (not paying players?) and thistle whilst young at time of glory years it really is in subconscious rather than in memory

The real shock was healthy competition of early to mid 80s giving way to the Holmes Murray souness world where we we effed and the families who owned Celtic could not cope with banked backed entrepreneurs

Celtic in my formative years were a team filled with likes of burns provan Nicholas mccluskey - really nowhere on a par with 65-74 but a football team you could identify with and would make an effort to see because it was entertaining (albeit not when keepers let us down time and again)

We were not european giants but we were competent - losing to notts forest or sociedad was no disgrace and was close fought with good teams against us

So I don't dream of European glory and I've sat and watched the corrupt hun eff us through dark days at hampden ibrox etc etc

The arrival of fergus didn't fill me with joy cause I could see from working for him that his driver was his return

That it coincided with us stopping 10iar was luck for us and fergus because honestly he wouldn't change short term for long term but whilst that is commendable that strategy is medium long term and not fixated on short term in his reign
Things have gone far askew since then

Fergus put 9m of his own money into Celtic for a return and having got it left

Dermot took up the slack but provides no direction or strategy since then

In basic terms dermot debted up the business under mon to compete with the hun and enjoyed high profile euro success then left it to his accountant since 2004 to drive the debt and business down

But in the meantime the euphoria of saving the club stopping 10 and achieving relative success in Europe and watching the demise of the hun over the last 8 years we've seen a club going nowhere

And really when the music stops you see that no one has been watching the football shop, that no one has kept alive the relationship between Celtic it's fans and football

We have moved from the useless rump of whytes and Kellys trying to play at business whilst extracting their inheritance on a bi weekly basis through our VC fergus to end up at a useless rump practised at property development, remuneration committees but with no commitment to football or Celtic

I think these guys who control, run our club fail because they either they don't give a flying one or can't be bothered looking at what makes a club work decade after decade - and it's not the balance sheet in their language it's the intangible

Not because they are taking the piss over money - dermot could make more elsewhere and pl could make close to what he earns at Celtic - but because they don't get it - they are focused on finance

My family in part supported Celtic because it was a catholic club but for a large part because it was a football club who played football - not kick and rush of the hun, not the bigotry of the hun

And that held true through the 80s as the legacy of lions and quality street filtered through

Since then though despite the slogans we've become just another club and as the corporate boys play their games we've moved further and further from being a football club based on the values of stein

So we fail as as corporate money making machine in a tiny country marginalised in uefa terms

But more so we fail because the core has been lost - of developing the identity of Celtic, of football, of youth, of community, of charity

We have football in the community officers at Celtic being tasked with being profit centres !! We have first team players being paid 1/10 of the CEO, it's effin mental how far away we've got from doing the basics right


60,000 people will come and support this football team because of a legacy and it's a good legacy

If only they understood that if they made a fist of understanding that they have to make the best of the environment we operate in by being a truly exceptional football club from youth upwards that would be enough

Instead in some kind of blairite new Celtic they try to persuade us that their way is the only way and we should be thankful as they spout pish and take their money year after year leaving others trying to work off fundamentally flawed club to shield them

Unlike idyll wild eff it I'll post it


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28 Aug 2014, 11:41 PM
Iydllwild posted yesterday that he couldn't bring himself to post the reasons why he'd ended up where he is now with Celtic and thinking it through I can see why but drink has been taken and I'm not angry but sad

However I think I'm a few years further down the road of cynicism but I do think the case for Celtic being far better than it is can be made without being sentimental

Born into a Celtic supporting family but whose first memories are feyenoord (not paying players?) and thistle whilst young at time of glory years it really is in subconscious rather than in memory

The real shock was healthy competition of early to mid 80s giving way to the Holmes Murray souness world where we we effed and the families who owned Celtic could not cope with banked backed entrepreneurs

Celtic in my formative years were a team filled with likes of burns provan Nicholas mccluskey - really nowhere on a par with 65-74 but a football team you could identify with and would make an effort to see because it was entertaining (albeit not when keepers let us down time and again)

We were not european giants but we were competent - losing to notts forest or sociedad was no disgrace and was close fought with good teams against us

So I don't dream of European glory and I've sat and watched the corrupt hun eff us through dark days at hampden ibrox etc etc

The arrival of fergus didn't fill me with joy cause I could see from working for him that his driver was his return

That it coincided with us stopping 10iar was luck for us and fergus because honestly he wouldn't change short term for long term but whilst that is commendable that strategy is medium long term and not fixated on short term in his reign
Things have gone far askew since then

Fergus put 9m of his own money into Celtic for a return and having got it left

Dermot took up the slack but provides no direction or strategy since then

In basic terms dermot debted up the business under mon to compete with the hun and enjoyed high profile euro success then left it to his accountant since 2004 to drive the debt and business down

But in the meantime the euphoria of saving the club stopping 10 and achieving relative success in Europe and watching the demise of the hun over the last 8 years we've seen a club going nowhere

And really when the music stops you see that no one has been watching the football shop, that no one has kept alive the relationship between Celtic it's fans and football

We have moved from the useless rump of whytes and Kellys trying to play at business whilst extracting their inheritance on a bi weekly basis through our VC fergus to end up at a useless rump practised at property development, remuneration committees but with no commitment to football or Celtic

I think these guys who control, run our club fail because they either they don't give a flying one or can't be bothered looking at what makes a club work decade after decade - and it's not the balance sheet in their language it's the intangible

Not because they are taking the piss over money - dermot could make more elsewhere and pl could make close to what he earns at Celtic - but because they don't get it - they are focused on finance

My family in part supported Celtic because it was a catholic club but for a large part because it was a football club who played football - not kick and rush of the hun, not the bigotry of the hun

And that held true through the 80s as the legacy of lions and quality street filtered through

Since then though despite the slogans we've become just another club and as the corporate boys play their games we've moved further and further from being a football club based on the values of stein

So we fail as as corporate money making machine in a tiny country marginalised in uefa terms

But more so we fail because the core has been lost - of developing the identity of Celtic, of football, of youth, of community, of charity

We have football in the community officers at Celtic being tasked with being profit centres !! We have first team players being paid 1/10 of the CEO, it's effin mental how far away we've got from doing the basics right


60,000 people will come and support this football team because of a legacy and it's a good legacy

If only they understood that if they made a fist of understanding that they have to make the best of the environment we operate in by being a truly exceptional football club from youth upwards that would be enough

Instead in some kind of blairite new Celtic they try to persuade us that their way is the only way and we should be thankful as they spout pish and take their money year after year leaving others trying to work off fundamentally flawed club to shield them

Unlike idyll wild eff it I'll post it



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