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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,930 Views)
CELTBHOY1988
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28 Aug 2014, 12:39 PM
Peter doing a statement on Friday? Wonder what pish will be served.
The normal one I would imagine.
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28 Aug 2014, 12:40 PM
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28 Aug 2014, 12:39 PM
Peter doing a statement on Friday? Wonder what pish will be served.
:suspect: Where's this from?
Shug on Clyde reported it yesterday. :thumbsup:
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CELTBHOY1988
28 Aug 2014, 12:40 PM
Wailer
28 Aug 2014, 12:39 PM
Peter doing a statement on Friday? Wonder what pish will be served.
The normal one I would imagine.
It's been covered in previous posts.

PL will simply state that we are a Club with great traditions and we have to have a frugal fiscal policy.

Blah.......blah......effin blah.
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28 Aug 2014, 12:39 PM
Peter doing a statement on Friday? Wonder what pish will be served.

Hopefully its his resignation.

See if its a load of shampooe about market conditions and England , he can go eff himself and resign anyway and let someone with sense do the job.

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28 Aug 2014, 12:43 PM
CELTBHOY1988
28 Aug 2014, 12:40 PM
Wailer
28 Aug 2014, 12:39 PM
Peter doing a statement on Friday? Wonder what pish will be served.
The normal one I would imagine.
It's been covered in previous posts.

PL will simply state that we are a Club with great traditions and we have to have a frugal fiscal policy.

Blah.......blah......effin blah.
Oh, and Europa League match packages are now available.
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28 Aug 2014, 12:06 PM
It's surely right that the long-term financial stability of the club must be the only business objective of a responsible board.
Strongly disagree. The board have just as big a responsibility to the current climate as they do the future.

Also, it's extremely difficult to safeguard the future whilst such apathy exists in the present.
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28 Aug 2014, 12:39 PM
Peter doing a statement on Friday? Wonder what pish will be served.
Nike Friday for sure.

Wallet is going to be HAMMERED before the window SLAMS shut.
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28 Aug 2014, 01:01 PM
james55a
28 Aug 2014, 12:06 PM
It's surely right that the long-term financial stability of the club must be the only business objective of a responsible board.
Strongly disagree. The board have just as big a responsibility to the current climate as they do the future.

Also, it's extremely difficult to safeguard the future whilst such apathy exists in the present.
There's absolutely no doubt that it's extremely difficult Declan. That's why "sack the board!" or "change the manager!" or "FFS splash the cash Lawell!" are no more than simplistic knee-jerk reactions that don't get us anywhere.
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28 Aug 2014, 01:02 PM
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28 Aug 2014, 12:39 PM
Peter doing a statement on Friday? Wonder what pish will be served.
Nike Friday for sure.

Wallet is going to be HAMMERED before the window SLAMS shut.
Aye hammered shut. Locked and double bolted.
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28 Aug 2014, 12:59 PM
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28 Aug 2014, 12:43 PM
CELTBHOY1988
28 Aug 2014, 12:40 PM

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It's been covered in previous posts.

PL will simply state that we are a Club with great traditions and we have to have a frugal fiscal policy.

Blah.......blah......effin blah.
Oh, and Europa League match packages are now available.
Oh yeah, forgot about the Europa League special packages.

No doubt it will appear on the website.

"Special Europa League packages available, come and see the Bhoys getting pumped by inferior teams. Guaranteed total embarrassment from Europe's finest, who gives a total eff when you can buy your tickets and ensure we have loads of money while we do not give an eff, because you lot, being customers, will be so sucked in that it is not funny, but we will continue laughing while you proclaim "Faithful through and through.

And we will keep on laughing because you are such a bunch of gullible bastards.

Well, remember the days when we used to care about you.....................get over it, because we need to ensure that our books are balanced, irrespective of what happens on the pitch.

The pitch?..................Football?.......................eff that idea.
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OzBhoy
28 Aug 2014, 01:15 PM
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28 Aug 2014, 12:59 PM
OzBhoy
28 Aug 2014, 12:43 PM

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As things stand we might be one of the inferior teams.
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theres an article on the web with direct quotes from lawwell in february of this year saying theres money there to buy an 8 million player and we will try and do our business early in the window. The guys a meglomaniac and continually lies to the people who matter
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28 Aug 2014, 12:30 PM
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27 Aug 2014, 10:01 PM
Here's a list of our top 10 highest transfers in our history. As you can see, it's a long, long time since we spent such money on players. In fact, it's more than 5 years now since we spent more than £3m on a player. No-one is even contemplating going back to an era of £5m or £6m signings. But, it's clear when you shop around the £1.5m-£2m mark - you're more than likely to get a 'miss' rather than a 'hit'. All the more difficult to accept when you're taking in £10m or £12.5m fees from player sales (something we never even came close to during the Martin O'Neill era).

1 John Hartson - Coventry City - £6,000,000 - 2 August 2001
2 Chris Sutton - Chelsea - £6,000,000 - 11 July 2000
3 Neil Lennon - Leicester City - £5,750,000 - 8 December 2000
4 Eyal Berkovic - West Ham - £5,750,000 - 8 July 1999
5 Rafael Scheidt - Grêmio - £4,800,000 - 1 January 2000
6 Scott Brown - Hibernian - £4,400,000 - 1 June 2007
7 Joos Valgaeren - Roda JC - £3,800,000 - 28 July 2000
8 Marc-Antoine Fortune - West Bromwich Albion - £3,800,000 - 9 July 2009
9 Alan Stubbs - Bolton Wanderers - £3,500,000 - 1 August 1996
10 Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink - PSV Eindhoven - £3,400,000 - 24 August 2006

The policy of "buy cheap, sell big" is worth pursuing. But when it becomes all-encompassing, and so rigid that it doesn't allow for any other type of signing, or retaining some of those successful signings, then it becomes out downfall. The board have completely exposed the flaws of the policy in recent seasons, and we now find ourself in a position where we have only one player left (Van Dijk) who can realistically get us a big transfer fee, and no top-level European platform on which to showcase or develop our other players. The baw is now, officially, burst. Time for change.
how much would a 5-6 million pound player want in wages ? It's not just the fee, you have to pay the effers too.

And you have to persuade them to come to a pish league like ours.
What part of that initial post did you miss?
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27 Aug 2014, 10:01 PM
Here's a list of our top 10 highest transfers in our history. As you can see, it's a long, long time since we spent such money on players. In fact, it's more than 5 years now since we spent more than £3m on a player. No-one is even contemplating going back to an era of £5m or £6m signings. But, it's clear when you shop around the £1.5m-£2m mark - you're more than likely to get a 'miss' rather than a 'hit'. All the more difficult to accept when you're taking in £10m or £12.5m fees from player sales (something we never even came close to during the Martin O'Neill era).

1 John Hartson - Coventry City - £6,000,000 - 2 August 2001
2 Chris Sutton - Chelsea - £6,000,000 - 11 July 2000
3 Neil Lennon - Leicester City - £5,750,000 - 8 December 2000
4 Eyal Berkovic - West Ham - £5,750,000 - 8 July 1999
5 Rafael Scheidt - Grêmio - £4,800,000 - 1 January 2000
6 Scott Brown - Hibernian - £4,400,000 - 1 June 2007
7 Joos Valgaeren - Roda JC - £3,800,000 - 28 July 2000
8 Marc-Antoine Fortune - West Bromwich Albion - £3,800,000 - 9 July 2009
9 Alan Stubbs - Bolton Wanderers - £3,500,000 - 1 August 1996
10 Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink - PSV Eindhoven - £3,400,000 - 24 August 2006

The policy of "buy cheap, sell big" is worth pursuing. But when it becomes all-encompassing, and so rigid that it doesn't allow for any other type of signing, or retaining some of those successful signings, then it becomes out downfall. The board have completely exposed the flaws of the policy in recent seasons, and we now find ourself in a position where we have only one player left (Van Dijk) who can realistically get us a big transfer fee, and no top-level European platform on which to showcase or develop our other players. The baw is now, officially, burst. Time for change.

Good post.
Factor in that £6m then is the equivalent to £8/9m today then your point becomes even more valid.
Bottom raking is not going to cut it going forward.
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Spend £2.4m and you get a Gary Hooper; spend £1.5 and you get an Amido Balde. Likewise, spend £2.6m and you'll get a Van Dijk; loan Jason Denayer and it doesn't matter how effing good he is - he isnae your player, and you're making eff all out of him even if he does turn out to be a 'success'.
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27 Aug 2014, 10:01 PM
Here's a list of our top 10 highest transfers in our history. As you can see, it's a long, long time since we spent such money on players. In fact, it's more than 5 years now since we spent more than £3m on a player. No-one is even contemplating going back to an era of £5m or £6m signings. But, it's clear when you shop around the £1.5m-£2m mark - you're more than likely to get a 'miss' rather than a 'hit'. All the more difficult to accept when you're taking in £10m or £12.5m fees from player sales (something we never even came close to during the Martin O'Neill era).

1 John Hartson - Coventry City - £6,000,000 - 2 August 2001
2 Chris Sutton - Chelsea - £6,000,000 - 11 July 2000
3 Neil Lennon - Leicester City - £5,750,000 - 8 December 2000
4 Eyal Berkovic - West Ham - £5,750,000 - 8 July 1999
5 Rafael Scheidt - Grêmio - £4,800,000 - 1 January 2000
6 Scott Brown - Hibernian - £4,400,000 - 1 June 2007
7 Joos Valgaeren - Roda JC - £3,800,000 - 28 July 2000
8 Marc-Antoine Fortune - West Bromwich Albion - £3,800,000 - 9 July 2009
9 Alan Stubbs - Bolton Wanderers - £3,500,000 - 1 August 1996
10 Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink - PSV Eindhoven - £3,400,000 - 24 August 2006

The policy of "buy cheap, sell big" is worth pursuing. But when it becomes all-encompassing, and so rigid that it doesn't allow for any other type of signing, or retaining some of those successful signings, then it becomes out downfall. The board have completely exposed the flaws of the policy in recent seasons, and we now find ourself in a position where we have only one player left (Van Dijk) who can realistically get us a big transfer fee, and no top-level European platform on which to showcase or develop our other players. The baw is now, officially, burst. Time for change.
I would agree with the facts and part of your analysis that you post, but I would argue that Ronny Deila is that change. I think the whole point is that, going forward, our emphasis has to be developing our own players, which means giving them game time and a coaching team who are willing to invest their time and energy into their long term development, not just the next few games or this season. That has to be a better long term strategy than continually signing players at the £2m mark, which you rightly say is no guarantee of success. But then what is?

I'm not sure what some people are actually looking for here. I don't particularly like many areas of the club's operation, but in terms of signing players and building a successful team I'm not that sure what else we do, other than allow RD and his staff time.
Edited by modest mouse, 28 Aug 2014, 03:10 PM.
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28 Aug 2014, 12:49 PM
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28 Aug 2014, 12:39 PM
Peter doing a statement on Friday? Wonder what pish will be served.

Hopefully its his resignation.

See if its a load of shampooe about market conditions and England , he can go eff himself and resign anyway and let someone with sense do the job.

Sums it up for me too :thumbsup:

Totally effing scunnered with our board - all of the carrots, but PL in particular.
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28 Aug 2014, 03:09 PM
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27 Aug 2014, 10:01 PM
Here's a list of our top 10 highest transfers in our history. As you can see, it's a long, long time since we spent such money on players. In fact, it's more than 5 years now since we spent more than £3m on a player. No-one is even contemplating going back to an era of £5m or £6m signings. But, it's clear when you shop around the £1.5m-£2m mark - you're more than likely to get a 'miss' rather than a 'hit'. All the more difficult to accept when you're taking in £10m or £12.5m fees from player sales (something we never even came close to during the Martin O'Neill era).

1 John Hartson - Coventry City - £6,000,000 - 2 August 2001
2 Chris Sutton - Chelsea - £6,000,000 - 11 July 2000
3 Neil Lennon - Leicester City - £5,750,000 - 8 December 2000
4 Eyal Berkovic - West Ham - £5,750,000 - 8 July 1999
5 Rafael Scheidt - Grêmio - £4,800,000 - 1 January 2000
6 Scott Brown - Hibernian - £4,400,000 - 1 June 2007
7 Joos Valgaeren - Roda JC - £3,800,000 - 28 July 2000
8 Marc-Antoine Fortune - West Bromwich Albion - £3,800,000 - 9 July 2009
9 Alan Stubbs - Bolton Wanderers - £3,500,000 - 1 August 1996
10 Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink - PSV Eindhoven - £3,400,000 - 24 August 2006

The policy of "buy cheap, sell big" is worth pursuing. But when it becomes all-encompassing, and so rigid that it doesn't allow for any other type of signing, or retaining some of those successful signings, then it becomes out downfall. The board have completely exposed the flaws of the policy in recent seasons, and we now find ourself in a position where we have only one player left (Van Dijk) who can realistically get us a big transfer fee, and no top-level European platform on which to showcase or develop our other players. The baw is now, officially, burst. Time for change.
I would agree with the facts and part of your analysis that you post, but I would argue that Ronny Deila is that change. I think the whole point is that, going forward, our emphasis has to be developing our own players, which means giving them game time and a coaching team who are willing to invest their time and energy into their long term development, not just the next few games or this season. That has to be a better long term strategy than continually signing players at the £2m mark, which you rightly say is no guarantee of success. But then what is?

I'm not sure what some people are actually looking for here. I don't particularly like many areas of the club's operation, but in terms of signing players and building a successful team I'm not that sure what else we do, other than allow RD and his staff time.
But time is something he most certainly will not get if all the ones on here calling for boycotts, cancelling HCTS , cancelling DD for Season Tickets are anything to go by.

Its laughable- we slag Aberdeen,Dundee UTd,Kilmarnock etc about being Glory hunters when we have a support who are exactly the same, want to pack it in as soon as things go pear shaped on the field..... either very young or have very short memories if they think this is bad...
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28 Aug 2014, 03:21 PM
But time is something he most certainly will not get if all the ones on here calling for boycotts, cancelling HCTS , cancelling DD for Season Tickets are anything to go by.

Its laughable- we slag Aberdeen,Dundee UTd,Kilmarnock etc about being Glory hunters when we have a support who are exactly the same, want to pack it in as soon as things go pear shaped on the field..... either very young or have very short memories if they think this is bad...
There's absolutely nothing "sudden" about how things have gone 'pear shaped'. The sheer inevitability of it, all the ignored warning signs, and the blind continuation of a policy that is clearly no longer working have resulted in many fans feeling they way they do. It certainly has nothing to do with "glory hunting". Had we have qualified on Wednesday, those same concerns, complaints and reservations would still have been there among the fans. But all it would have done would to have bought the board a bit more time before those feelings, inevitably, manifested themselves in a situation were fans are genuinely considering withdrawing financial support for the club until things change.

The fans aren't stupid. You may describe it as "packing things in". Others will make the educated observation that the only language boards understand is financial hits. All the protests, boycotts and demonstrations in the world will have almost eff all impact if the same financial resources are flowing into the club. Once they flow reduce, or stop altogether, then the board have to sit up and take notice of the message being sent. Until that moment - it's business as usual, and the board have tacit approval from the fans to continue the present disastrous policy.
Edited by Belgrano, 28 Aug 2014, 03:33 PM.
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It's incredible to think that Lawwell, a man who has such influence over the footballing side of our 'business', his objectives are in no way football-related. He could potentially be relegated and as long as he sells off a few golden eggs, he'll make the profits necessary to trigger another bonus payment approaching £1m.

I wonder if Delia is paid as much? Or if his objectives trigger a similar bonus for football success?
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