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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,931 Views)
Wee Ed KTF
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murphio
28 Aug 2014, 12:47 AM
Just noticing a piece in a gif of tomorrows daily mail back page which has mjallby laying into the board.
The confidentiality (gagging) clause has lapsed?

Looking forward to reading that.........and to Lenny delivering his verdict when his clause has run out
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Belgrano, you are killing it. Thanks for your posts. :thumbsup:
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Celtic as a well run business is a bit of myth .....no well run business allows a 20 million pound opportunity slip through their hands.

On another note The money we risk on second rate transfers is unreal. For every Wanyama there are 5 duds.

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There's no medium-term planning. There is a pretence of long-term planning througj biying young and cheap and selling high - which doesn't actially come to fruition because there is no end goal to that. We don't use the profits for anything that would imprpve the club long term.
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I cant believe, or maybe I should, that Lawell will get his journalist cronies around the table on Friday, to give an interview. Eh the fans Mr Lawell. It does not matter what you say or the usual platitudes you will state to your pre ordered questions, it will make no difference to us. You should of come out on wed am, to the web site and apologised to the fans for what you and your board cronies have done to our club. You should all resign immediately in the best interests of the club. What will happen is whatever you say will create a backlash that you will not believe, you will not ease our fears with the usual rubbish. We will not be happy until your and the rest are removed from our club. Our being the operative word. You have turned the best fans in the world into a shambles with a touch of embarrassment. We will not sit back, like sevco, and wait for this to happen any longer. If you think we will be swayed you are wrong. Its went on to long with all problems stemming from your policies. So I look forward to your press statements on Friday, but make it good because it will be your last.
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When lawwell all these years ago refused wgs money to buy Stephen fletcher at the January window and helped the huns ,in financial disarray ,to win the league 3 years in a row and gave them a few more years lifeline,you would have thought he would have learnt his lesson.When we didn't invest in players before the legia game which we lost 6-1 on aggregate but got through because of legia fielding a suspended player you would have thought they might have learned their lesson and got in a few signings ,especially a centre forward ,before we played Maribor ,but of course they didn't and we payed the ultimate price.It really is time for the board to go and get a new board in,preferably with a supporters representative on the board,before the standard of our team drops even further.
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The club hasn't been well run for a number of years.
GS was replaced with a gamble in Mowbray. He was replaced by a bigger gamble in NL and now he is replaced by an even bigger gamble in RD.

Mowbray was a disaster. The board got lucky with NL as he should never have been near such a big job at that time. As much as I love NL we got lucky that the huns years of cheating caught up with them handing us 3 titles.

RD should never have been interviewed for the job never mind get it.

On the transfer front our policy is so flawed it's crazy. Buy cheap sell high only works if we bring in some quality. The scouting dept deserve their jotters for the number of failures. Hooper, Wanyama, Forster VVD ect have been great finds, but the vast majority are third rate rubbish.

I don't agree with folk who say we don't spend, we do, it's just that we spend millions on dross. Always chasing the next big gamble. No wonder our wage bill is so high, no one else will touch them.

Sometimes you have to invest a few million on quality that can walk into the first team.

When I gave my season ticket up twp years ago most of the folk I went with had already drifted away. The board have disengaged a lot of fans with their treatment of our own supporters and the way they let the huns/SFA off the hook.

The board should start to treat Celtic like a football club at times it might win them some time and support from the fans.
Where else would our recruitment policy be tolerated?
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timtastic
28 Aug 2014, 09:01 AM
The club hasn't been well run for a number of years.
GS was replaced with a gamble in Mowbray. He was replaced by a bigger gamble in NL and now he is replaced by an even bigger gamble in RD.

Mowbray was a disaster. The board got lucky with NL as he should never have been near such a big job at that time. As much as I love NL we got lucky that the huns years of cheating caught up with them handing us 3 titles.

RD should never have been interviewed for the job never mind get it.

On the transfer front our policy is so flawed it's crazy. Buy cheap sell high only works if we bring in some quality. The scouting dept deserve their jotters for the number of failures. Hooper, Wanyama, Forster VVD ect have been great finds, but the vast majority are third rate rubbish.

I don't agree with folk who say we don't spend, we do, it's just that we spend millions on dross. Always chasing the next big gamble. No wonder our wage bill is so high, no one else will touch them.

Sometimes you have to invest a few million on quality that can walk into the first team.

When I gave my season ticket up twp years ago most of the folk I went with had already drifted away. The board have disengaged a lot of fans with their treatment of our own supporters and the way they let the huns/SFA off the hook.

The board should start to treat Celtic like a football club at times it might win them some time and support from the fans.
Where else would our recruitment policy be tolerated?
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paulfg42
27 Aug 2014, 11:28 PM
We spent nearly 4 million on Fortune? FFS. How much did we get back?
I think we got 2M (or very nearly) back for him. Before he left, he was actually playing well under Lenny (on the right though - he was never a striker) and Lenny said they had been tempted to keep him, but they were offered money and he wanted to go to england.

I saw him play for west brom a couple of times soon after he left, and he was superb. played on the right, and then on the left wing in another game, and ripped the opposition apart. Really strange, but it looks like he just didn't fit at Celtic, but he was a talented player - and I feel he gets tarred with the 'Bangura brush' a bit by Celtic fans which is a shame, as he was far more talented than a lot of other signings from the last few years. He is a guy we never got the best out of. he was never a goalscorer in France, yet inexplicably we signed him as a striker.
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28 Aug 2014, 03:13 AM
Celtic as a well run business is a bit of myth .....no well run business allows a 20 million pound opportunity slip through their hands.



:thumbsup:

("slip through their hands" twice.... by the way.)
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Luxo
28 Aug 2014, 10:37 AM
paulfg42
27 Aug 2014, 11:28 PM
We spent nearly 4 million on Fortune? FFS. How much did we get back?
I think we got 2M (or very nearly) back for him. Before he left, he was actually playing well under Lenny (on the right though - he was never a striker) and Lenny said they had been tempted to keep him, but they were offered money and he wanted to go to england.

I saw him play for west brom a couple of times soon after he left, and he was superb. played on the right, and then on the left wing in another game, and ripped the opposition apart. Really strange, but it looks like he just didn't fit at Celtic, but he was a talented player - and I feel he gets tarred with the 'Bangura brush' a bit by Celtic fans which is a shame, as he was far more talented than a lot of other signings from the last few years. He is a guy we never got the best out of. he was never a goalscorer in France, yet inexplicably we signed him as a striker.
Ironically I think Fortune would suit Delia's style of football. He is quick.
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28 Aug 2014, 10:48 AM
Luxo
28 Aug 2014, 10:37 AM
paulfg42
27 Aug 2014, 11:28 PM
We spent nearly 4 million on Fortune? FFS. How much did we get back?
I think we got 2M (or very nearly) back for him. Before he left, he was actually playing well under Lenny (on the right though - he was never a striker) and Lenny said they had been tempted to keep him, but they were offered money and he wanted to go to england.

I saw him play for west brom a couple of times soon after he left, and he was superb. played on the right, and then on the left wing in another game, and ripped the opposition apart. Really strange, but it looks like he just didn't fit at Celtic, but he was a talented player - and I feel he gets tarred with the 'Bangura brush' a bit by Celtic fans which is a shame, as he was far more talented than a lot of other signings from the last few years. He is a guy we never got the best out of. he was never a goalscorer in France, yet inexplicably we signed him as a striker.
Ironically I think Fortune would suit Delia's style of football. He is quick.
And rubbish. So he's probably ideal.
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idyllwild
28 Aug 2014, 10:50 AM
CELTBHOY1988
28 Aug 2014, 10:48 AM
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28 Aug 2014, 10:37 AM

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Ironically I think Fortune would suit Delia's style of football. He is quick.
And rubbish. So he's probably ideal.
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CELTBHOY1988
28 Aug 2014, 10:48 AM
Luxo
28 Aug 2014, 10:37 AM
paulfg42
27 Aug 2014, 11:28 PM
We spent nearly 4 million on Fortune? FFS. How much did we get back?
I think we got 2M (or very nearly) back for him. Before he left, he was actually playing well under Lenny (on the right though - he was never a striker) and Lenny said they had been tempted to keep him, but they were offered money and he wanted to go to england.

I saw him play for west brom a couple of times soon after he left, and he was superb. played on the right, and then on the left wing in another game, and ripped the opposition apart. Really strange, but it looks like he just didn't fit at Celtic, but he was a talented player - and I feel he gets tarred with the 'Bangura brush' a bit by Celtic fans which is a shame, as he was far more talented than a lot of other signings from the last few years. He is a guy we never got the best out of. he was never a goalscorer in France, yet inexplicably we signed him as a striker.
Ironically I think Fortune would suit Delia's style of football. He is quick.
Hopefully he'd get to utilise that pace at centre half.
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The majority of the support aren't satisfied with the the board's current business strategy. Ok, that's the blindingly obvious part. What's a lot less clear is what the strategy should be and there's no point in us pretending that's such an easy question. It's surely right that the long-term financial stability of the club must be the only business objective of a responsible board. Otherwise we'll go down the same dark path that THEY did and we know how that has ended up. We've already seen that it's not so easy to sell tickets for bread and butter games and if we continue to walk the league as we have been doing with no higher ambitions than that, it's inevitable that more fans will vote with their feet and there goes our financial stability.

The windfall cash from a couple of seasons in the CL and from the selling of players arguably hasn't been spent well, but at the level we have to operate at in the transfer market, maybe a 50% hit rate is the best we can expect. For every Virgil Van Dijk, you get an Amido Balde. Probably we do have the capital to blast at the transfer market, but that doesn't solve the revenue problem. Players that we could buy at transfer fees much north of £5m would demand a much higher wage level than we can afford to pay while we're in a league that attracts peanuts in TV rights money and hasn't even got a commercial sponsor. So buying our way out of the problem doesn't seem to be a viable option.

I'm not making excuses for the board, just acknowledging that they have a conundrum to solve. They have to find a way to balance the books, keep the club moving forward in footballing terms AND to entertain the fans who after all are Celtic's life blood . We've been widely complimented for our astuteness in the transfer market over the years, but it seems that recently the duds are outnumbering the successes. Maybe the way forward is to look for loan players like Jason Denayer. The jury is still out on that for me, but what I am sure about is that Ronny Deila is an experiment worth sticking with for a bit longer. The alternative doesn't bear thinking about - Owen Coyle? Roy Kean? Davy Moyes? Malky McKay? Nah! Not for me thanks.

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james55a
28 Aug 2014, 12:06 PM
The jury is still out on that for me, but what I am sure about is that Ronny Deila is an experiment worth sticking with for a bit longer. The alternative doesn't bear thinking about - Owen Coyle? Roy Kean? Davy Moyes? Malky McKay? Nah! Not for me thanks.

It's a big wide world out there - we would not be required to hire somebody from the pot of english league failures (or wherever). The football world offers a lot more alternatives than that.

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Luxo
28 Aug 2014, 12:26 PM
james55a
28 Aug 2014, 12:06 PM
The jury is still out on that for me, but what I am sure about is that Ronny Deila is an experiment worth sticking with for a bit longer. The alternative doesn't bear thinking about - Owen Coyle? Roy Kean? Davy Moyes? Malky McKay? Nah! Not for me thanks.

It's a big wide world out there - we would not be required to hire somebody from the pot of english league failures (or wherever). The football world offers a lot more alternatives than that.

You're right there but I never heard many of them quoted for the job last time.
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27 Aug 2014, 10:01 PM
Here's a list of our top 10 highest transfers in our history. As you can see, it's a long, long time since we spent such money on players. In fact, it's more than 5 years now since we spent more than £3m on a player. No-one is even contemplating going back to an era of £5m or £6m signings. But, it's clear when you shop around the £1.5m-£2m mark - you're more than likely to get a 'miss' rather than a 'hit'. All the more difficult to accept when you're taking in £10m or £12.5m fees from player sales (something we never even came close to during the Martin O'Neill era).

1 John Hartson - Coventry City - £6,000,000 - 2 August 2001
2 Chris Sutton - Chelsea - £6,000,000 - 11 July 2000
3 Neil Lennon - Leicester City - £5,750,000 - 8 December 2000
4 Eyal Berkovic - West Ham - £5,750,000 - 8 July 1999
5 Rafael Scheidt - Grêmio - £4,800,000 - 1 January 2000
6 Scott Brown - Hibernian - £4,400,000 - 1 June 2007
7 Joos Valgaeren - Roda JC - £3,800,000 - 28 July 2000
8 Marc-Antoine Fortune - West Bromwich Albion - £3,800,000 - 9 July 2009
9 Alan Stubbs - Bolton Wanderers - £3,500,000 - 1 August 1996
10 Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink - PSV Eindhoven - £3,400,000 - 24 August 2006

The policy of "buy cheap, sell big" is worth pursuing. But when it becomes all-encompassing, and so rigid that it doesn't allow for any other type of signing, or retaining some of those successful signings, then it becomes out downfall. The board have completely exposed the flaws of the policy in recent seasons, and we now find ourself in a position where we have only one player left (Van Dijk) who can realistically get us a big transfer fee, and no top-level European platform on which to showcase or develop our other players. The baw is now, officially, burst. Time for change.
how much would a 5-6 million pound player want in wages ? It's not just the fee, you have to pay the effers too.

And you have to persuade them to come to a pish league like ours.
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Peter doing a statement on Friday? Wonder what pish will be served.
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28 Aug 2014, 12:39 PM
Peter doing a statement on Friday? Wonder what pish will be served.
:suspect: Where's this from?
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