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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,932 Views)
brianlara67
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lenobhoy
27 Aug 2014, 07:13 PM
Belgrano
27 Aug 2014, 06:46 PM
Why even bother listening to Lawwell's interview? Can we just post up the bullet points from it here, just now?

* Financial security of the club is paramount
* Won't take unnecessary risks with the club's finances
* "The reality of the situation"
* Scottish market remains 'prohibitive' to generating money
* Continue a policy of developing young players to sell for profit

Same patronising bullshyte him and the board have been trying to feed us for years. The jig is up - no-one is buying it any more.
Ye forgot, we tried to bring in signings but they wouldn't come. shampoo we tried.
I've got a new one for him to trot out in a press release. "The strategy the Board have enacted at Celtic Football Club has ensured we have passed the UEFA Fair Play Regulations" (note 1 *)"


*note 1 - as long as we qualify for Europe. Test does not apply if not playing in Europe

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Edited by brianlara67, 27 Aug 2014, 08:35 PM.
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I think our biggest problem atm and has been since hooper left is the lack of a good striker.
If we'd had that last night, we'd be in the hat for the CL I believe.
I haven't added it all up, but actually the board did make available to NL several million pounds to find a striker. The wages and transfer fees could be as much as £10m.
And NL got nowhere. Now, and it's just speculation on my part, as the end of last season approached , it would have been plain to both NL and the board that a striker was needed. My guess is that NL was told, informally, that the board would not provide additional funds for a striker and that he would have to sell to raise cash for that purpose.
If the board took that view, it's not one which I would regard as unreasonable. They had already released a fairly substantial sum , and yet it seemed that the club was no further forward in improving that position since hooper left.
Much as I admire NL both as a human being and a manager, I'm afraid I cannot fault the reasoning of the board if it decided that they couldn't justify releasing further sums to him for the purchase of a striker.
If NL was left in that position, I'm not surprised that he resigned and some of his comments after the legia tie hinted at some disquiet between himself and the board regarding squad investment.
Where the board have really let me down is the lack of investment ahead of the CL campaign. They know that CL participation is vital to retain fans' interest. It really is a massive deal for the club.
If they had the confidence in RD to appoint him, then they should have given him money immediately to start bringing a few starter quality players into the squad and a decent wedge over and above that for a striker. Probably about £10m all in....our share of the fraser forster money and a wee bit on top.
What a difference that could have made for us.
Edited by Asgardstreasure, 27 Aug 2014, 08:43 PM.
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I don't think that the system we operate has to change entirely as it's the only way we can get any of the EPL silly money.

But they are effing shampooe at using that system.
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Asgardstreasure
27 Aug 2014, 08:41 PM
I think our biggest problem atm and has been since hooper left is the lack of a good striker.
If we'd had that last night, we'd be in the hat for the CL I believe.
I haven't added it all up, but actually the board did make available to NL several million pounds to find a striker. The wages and transfer fees could be as much as £10m.
And NL got nowhere. Now, and it's just speculation on my part, as the end of last season approached , it would have been plain to both NL and the board that a striker was needed. My guess is that NL was told, informally, that the board would not provide additional funds for a striker and that he would have to sell to raise cash for that purpose.
If the board took that view, it's not one which I would regard as unreasonable. They had already released a fairly substantial sum , and yet it seemed that the club was no further forward in improving that position since hooper left.
Much as I admire NL both as a human being and a manager, I'm afraid I cannot fault the reasoning of the board if it decided that they couldn't justify releasing further sums to him for the purchase of a striker.
If NL was left in that position, I'm not surprised that he resigned and some of his comments after the legia tie hinted at some disquiet between himself and the board regarding squad investment.
Where the board have really let me down is the lack of investment ahead of the CL campaign. They know that CL participation is vital to retain fans' interest. It really is a massive deal for the club.
If they had the confidence in RD to appoint him, then they should have given him money immediately to start bringing a few starter quality players into the squad and a decent wedge over and above that for a striker. Probably about £10m all in....our share of the fraser forster money and a wee bit on top.
What a difference that could have made for us.
I'm confused, are you saying they were right not to give Lennon money for a striker but then saying they should have spent to get us into the CL?

Fwiw, we have spent plenty on strikers. Just not on a A striker. 1.5m for each for pukki, derk, balde gives you 4.5m, adding the roughly 500k banger cost and you have 5m.
The problem then is a 5m striker wants more than the current wage cap which seems now to be nearer 15k pw than 25k.

For some players in some positions you need to go the extra mile. PL talks it well enough.
Edited by Willie Wonka, 27 Aug 2014, 08:52 PM.
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Charlie Nick tore the board (and Efe and Izzy) a new one on SSN just now. Reckons the club have lost the fans.

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Willie Wonka
27 Aug 2014, 08:49 PM
Asgardstreasure
27 Aug 2014, 08:41 PM
I think our biggest problem atm and has been since hooper left is the lack of a good striker.
If we'd had that last night, we'd be in the hat for the CL I believe.
I haven't added it all up, but actually the board did make available to NL several million pounds to find a striker. The wages and transfer fees could be as much as £10m.
And NL got nowhere. Now, and it's just speculation on my part, as the end of last season approached , it would have been plain to both NL and the board that a striker was needed. My guess is that NL was told, informally, that the board would not provide additional funds for a striker and that he would have to sell to raise cash for that purpose.
If the board took that view, it's not one which I would regard as unreasonable. They had already released a fairly substantial sum , and yet it seemed that the club was no further forward in improving that position since hooper left.
Much as I admire NL both as a human being and a manager, I'm afraid I cannot fault the reasoning of the board if it decided that they couldn't justify releasing further sums to him for the purchase of a striker.
If NL was left in that position, I'm not surprised that he resigned and some of his comments after the legia tie hinted at some disquiet between himself and the board regarding squad investment.
Where the board have really let me down is the lack of investment ahead of the CL campaign. They know that CL participation is vital to retain fans' interest. It really is a massive deal for the club.
If they had the confidence in RD to appoint him, then they should have given him money immediately to start bringing a few starter quality players into the squad and a decent wedge over and above that for a striker. Probably about £10m all in....our share of the fraser forster money and a wee bit on top.
What a difference that could have made for us.
I'm confused, are you saying they were right not to give Lennon money for a striker but then saying they should have spent to get us into the CL?

Fwiw, we have spent plenty on strikers. Just not on a A striker. 1.5m for each for pukki, derk, balde gives you 4.5m, adding the roughly 500k banger cost and you have 5m.
The problem then is a 5m striker wants more than the current wage cap which seems now to be nearer 15k pw than 25k.

For some players in some positions you need to go the extra mile. PL talks it well enough.
I said I can't fault the reasoning of the board if they refused NL further funds for a striker.
If that's how things unfolded then it was a subtle invitation for NL's resignation as he couldn't prepare for the CL without bringing in a new striker.
But having brought a new manager in they should have had a decent budget in place to start adding some quality immediately and show the fans that the club tries as far as possible to match their ambitions.
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fatboab
27 Aug 2014, 08:16 PM
mr boots
27 Aug 2014, 08:14 PM
tocce 1973
27 Aug 2014, 07:59 PM
In Europe once we were giant's now. ?
So were Nottingham Forest.
So really, we've done ok. :ph43r:
:lol:

Aye, we've had a much longer run of it and, although being able to say we had won a European cup twice, my wallet wouldn't allow for the inevitable fleecing our marketing department would make of both. :(
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Mr Lawwell, I salute your courage, your strength, your indefatigability.

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For all folk are blaming the board for downsizing, our starting XI and subs cost way way more than Maribor's.

In fact I'm struggling to see any transfer fees paid for any of their team.
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27 Aug 2014, 09:21 PM
For all folk are blaming the board for downsizing, our starting XI and subs cost way way more than Maribor's.

In fact I'm struggling to see any transfer fees paid for any of their team.
Which makes our defeat all the more embarrasing :ffs:
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Asgardstreasure
27 Aug 2014, 09:02 PM
Willie Wonka
27 Aug 2014, 08:49 PM
Asgardstreasure
27 Aug 2014, 08:41 PM
I think our biggest problem atm and has been since hooper left is the lack of a good striker.
If we'd had that last night, we'd be in the hat for the CL I believe.
I haven't added it all up, but actually the board did make available to NL several million pounds to find a striker. The wages and transfer fees could be as much as £10m.
And NL got nowhere. Now, and it's just speculation on my part, as the end of last season approached , it would have been plain to both NL and the board that a striker was needed. My guess is that NL was told, informally, that the board would not provide additional funds for a striker and that he would have to sell to raise cash for that purpose.
If the board took that view, it's not one which I would regard as unreasonable. They had already released a fairly substantial sum , and yet it seemed that the club was no further forward in improving that position since hooper left.
Much as I admire NL both as a human being and a manager, I'm afraid I cannot fault the reasoning of the board if it decided that they couldn't justify releasing further sums to him for the purchase of a striker.
If NL was left in that position, I'm not surprised that he resigned and some of his comments after the legia tie hinted at some disquiet between himself and the board regarding squad investment.
Where the board have really let me down is the lack of investment ahead of the CL campaign. They know that CL participation is vital to retain fans' interest. It really is a massive deal for the club.
If they had the confidence in RD to appoint him, then they should have given him money immediately to start bringing a few starter quality players into the squad and a decent wedge over and above that for a striker. Probably about £10m all in....our share of the fraser forster money and a wee bit on top.
What a difference that could have made for us.
I'm confused, are you saying they were right not to give Lennon money for a striker but then saying they should have spent to get us into the CL?

Fwiw, we have spent plenty on strikers. Just not on a A striker. 1.5m for each for pukki, derk, balde gives you 4.5m, adding the roughly 500k banger cost and you have 5m.
The problem then is a 5m striker wants more than the current wage cap which seems now to be nearer 15k pw than 25k.

For some players in some positions you need to go the extra mile. PL talks it well enough.
I said I can't fault the reasoning of the board if they refused NL further funds for a striker.
If that's how things unfolded then it was a subtle invitation for NL's resignation as he couldn't prepare for the CL without bringing in a new striker.
But having brought a new manager in they should have had a decent budget in place to start adding some quality immediately and show the fans that the club tries as far as possible to match their ambitions.
Thought so.
Lennon should have been allowed to spend the lot on one or two decent strikers, with one in jan 13 and the other in the following summer when hooper left and I doubt we'd be in this mess.
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27 Aug 2014, 05:43 PM
I think the board are sandbagging for the Sevco challenge that is coming. They are spending hee haw now and taking massive gamble on champions league that this year has spectacularly backfired.
i thought that last year but soon realised that it wasnt the case. one might think they are getting us to a level where there will be a challenge. :o
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Bottom line is the board have shown they don't trust Ronny. Arguably this is understandable however I cannot recall any manager in our history being provided with ZERO transfer funds. We have spent eff all. What is going on behind the scenes? Four loan signings? Only 2 of which were available for the most important game of the season? I can't fathom the thinking behind it at all. Have we tried to bring in the players? Is the Lawwell hyperbole actually true that we cannot attract decent players to Celtic and Scotland? I just can't see how that's the case unless we are shopping in the wrong markets.
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Belgrano
27 Aug 2014, 06:28 PM
It's our money the board are dealing with. It's our season ticket money, merchandise and match-day revenues that they have. I think we underestimate just how powerful a hand we hold. Unlike say, for example, English Premier League sides whose income is made up hugely of TV revenue (in theory, one of those clubs could play to an empty stadium and still turn a profit) the low percentage of TV money in Scotland means that the majority of the club's income comes directly from the fans.

Turn that tap off, starve out the means to trigger another bonus payment for another board member, and we might see change. They've already almost reached the point of having exhausted the means to make money from selling the family silver. Once Van Dijk goes (and I've absolutely no reason to think that they board aren't trying to actively punt him) then I can't see anyone else in the current squad able to make us a similar transfer fee. In addition, the overall quality of the playing squad has been reduced to such an extent that we're unlikely to qualify for the Champions League anytime soon; so no 'platform' to showcase any further players for sale. And to add insult to injury - the policy of failing to reinvest profits back into the playing squad has reached such lows, that we're now not even buying players any more - just loaning them - effectively training them up, and gaining them experience for their parent clubs. So, even if these players do turn out to be successes - we're unlikely to see much or any of the profits for their sales ourselves.

And you've got to remember this has all taken place in an era when our biggest rivals have been absent - effectively giving us a free run at league championship and the chance to build a dominance and superiority for years and years to come. Instead, we've turned the clocks back 5 years. Absolutely disgraceful mismanagement from the current 'custodians'.
Well said. Could not agree more. I thought we would be light years ahead before Sevco ever reached the top flight. I looked forward to pumping them time after time while at the same time enjoying CL football.

How stupid of me. As ever we have reverted to type. Use them as our yardstick, do just enough to keep ahead of them. That is not enough. This Board have been negligent in their duty to us, the fans. We want to be entertained, we want heroes, we want to be proud of a team that can at least give the leading teams a game, make them fear coming to Celtic Park.

We have just been soundly beaten by Maribor. Maribor. At Celtic Park, where not less than two years ago we beat Barca. That's where we are at.

Lack of investment in the team has cost us dearly.

The board would do well to regard us as fans not customers.

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Here's a list of our top 10 highest transfers in our history. As you can see, it's a long, long time since we spent such money on players. In fact, it's more than 5 years now since we spent more than £3m on a player. No-one is even contemplating going back to an era of £5m or £6m signings. But, it's clear when you shop around the £1.5m-£2m mark - you're more than likely to get a 'miss' rather than a 'hit'. All the more difficult to accept when you're taking in £10m or £12.5m fees from player sales (something we never even came close to during the Martin O'Neill era).

1 John Hartson - Coventry City - £6,000,000 - 2 August 2001
2 Chris Sutton - Chelsea - £6,000,000 - 11 July 2000
3 Neil Lennon - Leicester City - £5,750,000 - 8 December 2000
4 Eyal Berkovic - West Ham - £5,750,000 - 8 July 1999
5 Rafael Scheidt - Grêmio - £4,800,000 - 1 January 2000
6 Scott Brown - Hibernian - £4,400,000 - 1 June 2007
7 Joos Valgaeren - Roda JC - £3,800,000 - 28 July 2000
8 Marc-Antoine Fortune - West Bromwich Albion - £3,800,000 - 9 July 2009
9 Alan Stubbs - Bolton Wanderers - £3,500,000 - 1 August 1996
10 Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink - PSV Eindhoven - £3,400,000 - 24 August 2006

The policy of "buy cheap, sell big" is worth pursuing. But when it becomes all-encompassing, and so rigid that it doesn't allow for any other type of signing, or retaining some of those successful signings, then it becomes out downfall. The board have completely exposed the flaws of the policy in recent seasons, and we now find ourself in a position where we have only one player left (Van Dijk) who can realistically get us a big transfer fee, and no top-level European platform on which to showcase or develop our other players. The baw is now, officially, burst. Time for change.
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FenianJack
27 Aug 2014, 08:55 PM
Charlie Nick tore the board (and Efe and Izzy) a new one on SSN just now. Reckons the club have lost the fans.

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It's about time Izzy got some serious stick. He's effing woeful defensively. He's not even got any competition for his place which no doubt adds to his complacency.
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We spent nearly 4 million on Fortune? FFS. How much did we get back?
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When the "buy cheap, sell big" policy was implemented, I really thought that phase 2 of the plan was to "buy less cheap, sell bigger".

The rigidity of the wage structure and the amount of dross in the squad have killed the momentum of what could've been a very smart policy. As someone said earlier, van Dijk is the last golden egg before we've effed the goose to death.
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Charlie Nicholas on Sky tonight was bang on with what he said.
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Just noticing a piece in a gif of tomorrows daily mail back page which has mjallby laying into the board.
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