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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,933 Views)
Bawman
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I hate the way every season it's like we are suddenly pish from the team that cantered the SPL the season before and not ready for Europe. WTF is that all about?
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The only thing I can honestly say explains our financial strategy is that the Zombies were right all along, we do owe squillions to the Co-Op and others. Why else would we continually fail to strengthen from positions of both strength and weakness.
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ryn
27 Aug 2014, 06:51 PM
Just read someone in the Wakaso thread criticising fans with the "faithful through and through" defence. We are Celtic supporters, we support the club, the team and it is only right that when the custodians of the club are not acting in it's best interests they should be told in no uncertain terms that they have a responsibility to the supporters.

They completely failed last night, to a man. The whole club needs an overhaul. We are left with a few of options.

1. Let Deila have the remainder of the season with the current squad to see if he can forge a team to take into the qualifiers next year. (The season over scenario)
2. Give Deila money to invest in players he wants to bring to the club to play the type of football he wants to play. (The Back him scenario)
3. Punt Deila and Lawell then see option 1 or 2 with a new experienced manager in place. (The I have a dream scenario)

For the record I think Deila is well out of his depth and won't last to Christmas. The real problem however lies with the reports that Lawell runs the club top to bottom. A £70m turnover company should not be seeing £1m of that go on the CEO salary.

All the comparisons between Deila and Lennon are a mere sideshow. The real question is why are we taking the club backwards by going with a manager who has no real pedigree or Euro competition experience again? Managers can learn form experience, why have the custodians of the club failed to do so? It is time for Lawell to be held to account for his stewardship and management, if he is acting as DoF then he needs to be removed with vigour.
In truth, the way the club is now treating the fans reminds me of the Kelly's and the Whites but with added financial acumen. And we will take it because we are faithful through and through.
I think you will find that the board will feed delia to the fishes if it suits them

Lennon got hauled over the coals by dermot for failing to beat Aberdeen and was then told no budget for purchases before cl qualification - so Ronny may yet be off for subbing cb with Derk at nil nil

John park has been tasked with finding players costing nothing and obviously within our ever decreasing wage bill- so for the large part dross then

I'm told Brian Wilson commented their job is to manage decline !! Such vision if true

Supposedly jp is seeking pastures new - obviously it's getting hot

But Teflon man stays schtum - we can but hope

And did the board send for police horses to control a peaceful crowd outside ?

Best laugh though Bertie auld was told on trying to leave last night that he couldn't go out cause of the support outside ! Bertie told them his thoughts on that advice and was met with cheers and chant sack the board and Bertie Bertie sort them out

The people at Celtic surrounding and in the board are totally clueless
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With regards to investment, there a couple of glaring issues that the board trot out with. The wages players want are unaffordable. Lets look at other clubs does every player earns the same wage. No. You play players there net weekly worth, in a comparable market i.e At Man city does Yaya earn the same as Clichy, No. Why does our club insist on this wage structure, its strangling our ability to bring in decent players. Then the time of year. January is a difficult month, even John Collins, recently stated at this time of year its difficult. So when can we buy, its a joke.
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sevilliano
27 Aug 2014, 07:06 PM


Best laugh though Bertie auld was told on trying to leave last night that he couldn't go out cause of the support outside ! Bertie told them his thoughts on that advice and was met with cheers and chant sack the board and Bertie Bertie sort them out
:ffs:

As you say, utterly clueless.
Edited by tinsoldier, 27 Aug 2014, 07:10 PM.
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lenobhoy
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Belgrano
27 Aug 2014, 06:46 PM
Why even bother listening to Lawwell's interview? Can we just post up the bullet points from it here, just now?

* Financial security of the club is paramount
* Won't take unnecessary risks with the club's finances
* "The reality of the situation"
* Scottish market remains 'prohibitive' to generating money
* Continue a policy of developing young players to sell for profit

Same patronising bullshyte him and the board have been trying to feed us for years. The jig is up - no-one is buying it any more.
Ye forgot, we tried to bring in signings but they wouldn't come. shampoo we tried.
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lenobhoy
27 Aug 2014, 07:13 PM
Ye forgot, we tried to bring in signings but they wouldn't come. shampoo we tried.
"The support doesn't understand the work going on in the background, trying to bring players here to strengthen the squad. Sometimes those deals don't come off, and sometimes they are reliant on other teams selling or buying a player before they can release the players we're after. But rest assured, the support can be guaranteed that the board is doing everything in our powers to continually support and strengthen the playing staff"

Of course, this all overlooks the fact that they club have know for months and months in advance that we had Champions League qualifiers coming up, and plenty of time to work on getting the players we wanted. Strangely, such 'frustrations' and 'complications' never seem to come up as much when we're punting any of our quality players to an English side for profit? Utter pointless, empty phrases heard time and time again from Lawwell and the board.
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I could do Lawwell's job which is basically an asset stripper.In his shoes I would sell VVD ,commons and Mathews and then tell the fans how we really tried very hard to bring in players but were unsuccessful and then with more money in the bank expect a healthy bonus.I just wonder how far the standard of the team the board will allow to fall even further.
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I very much doubt Lawell will admit the board have made mistakes regarding lack of signings. I expect the usual bs from Lawell.
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Whilst I sympathise with those who want to boycott matches until there is change, to call those who want to stay and support the team as being stupid is just wrong. I think bawman summed it for me in that to some people, going to games is their social life and to take that away would leave a huge hole. I am sure there is many a wife/partner who would welcome less football but you start going down that route and your heading to a terminal decline of our football club as you would start losing the fanbase and a percentage would not come back, regardless of who is in charge.

Saying that, the board do need to realise that their current policy has back fired on them over the past two years and that change is required. This is not like the pre-McCann era (to say so is ridiculous) but we do need to consider other ways to protest, for example encouraging fans to stop buying merchandise.

Having read this thread, most want change and certain individuals out. What I haven't seen is what change people want. Personally I would be fine with the current board to remain in place if there is an acknowledgement of the situation and a plan, backed up by action, on how we are going to be taken forward. These can't be moonbeams and promises that are unrealistic and cannot be fulfilled, but tangible steps to how we will get back on track.

I actually think our current strategy/policy is sensible and is similar to what other big clubs from small countries have. My issue is with how it is implemented. Selling established players is fine if you have ready made replacements, not projects who are actually gambles. Also, most clubs with this approach will properly reinvest with targeted recruitment, we have a scatter gun approach. In the current climate, I don't see any other way of building a capability to qualify and compete in the CL. Scottish football is that far behind the curve and the investment in the "product" is so low.

I think I'll shut up now and breath!
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Belgrano
27 Aug 2014, 06:46 PM
Why even bother listening to Lawwell's interview? Can we just post up the bullet points from it here, just now?

* Financial security of the club is paramount
* Won't take unnecessary risks with the club's finances
* "The reality of the situation"
* Scottish market remains 'prohibitive' to generating money
* Continue a policy of developing young players to sell for profit

Same patronising bullshyte him and the board have been trying to feed us for years. The jig is up - no-one is buying it any more.
Let me know if any of these come up:

* I am confident that the team will be stronger at the end of the transfer window than it was at the start of it.
* Of course it's disappointing, but you have to remember there are teams with larger turnovers than Celtic who don't reach the Champions League every year.
* The supporters need to back the club so we can bring in better players for the next campaign.
Edited by pauldg1, 27 Aug 2014, 07:49 PM.
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tocce 1973
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In Europe once we were giant's now. ?
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tocce 1973
27 Aug 2014, 07:59 PM
In Europe once we were giant's now. ?
to be fair, the European cup as we knew and won , is a totally different beast now. Would love the old days when the Champs played each other and progressed by virtue of skill(and the odd bit of good fortune) those days are gone and the dice are loaded in favour of the loaded
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Belgrano
27 Aug 2014, 05:14 PM
There's always an undercurrent of a patronising message from the board, always along the lines of "the fans don't understand economics; they don't understand money; leave all that stuff to us, the businessmen in charge".

The same fans who know exactly what economics are. The ones who deal with it, in reality, on a daily basis, sometimes with job insecurity, managing debt, and balancing budgets hanging over them every single day. And they manage it. Seemingly much better than the 'businessmen', the economists and the 'custodians' that the likes of Lawwell and Bankier represent. All above all that, they also still find a financial commitment and dedication to supporting Celtic.

And what do they get in return?

The board can go eff themselves. I'll happily avoid giving them another penny of cash until their way of running our club ends of changes. Their choice. We'll be here much, much longer than they'll ever be.
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tocce 1973
27 Aug 2014, 07:59 PM
In Europe once we were giant's now. ?
So were Nottingham Forest.
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mr boots
27 Aug 2014, 08:14 PM
tocce 1973
27 Aug 2014, 07:59 PM
In Europe once we were giant's now. ?
So were Nottingham Forest.
So really, we've done ok. :ph43r:
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mytsharp
27 Aug 2014, 11:34 AM
georgiebhoy
27 Aug 2014, 08:21 AM
I find it quite sad that the board are trying to use governmental type austerity measures on something that is essentially the entertainment business.

They fail to realise that the hard won fan loyalty can be eroded by mismanagement and a lack of appreciation of what we want.
A football team that competes, entertains and wins. If you don't have that as the 'goal', you can't be surprised when people decide to look elsewhere when it comes to spending their hard earned.
That's actually a very good point.
It is but the Board don't see it as an entertainment business and haven't for years.
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pauldg1
27 Aug 2014, 07:48 PM
Belgrano
27 Aug 2014, 06:46 PM
Why even bother listening to Lawwell's interview? Can we just post up the bullet points from it here, just now?

* Financial security of the club is paramount
* Won't take unnecessary risks with the club's finances
* "The reality of the situation"
* Scottish market remains 'prohibitive' to generating money
* Continue a policy of developing young players to sell for profit

Same patronising bullshyte him and the board have been trying to feed us for years. The jig is up - no-one is buying it any more.
Let me know if any of these come up:

* I am confident that the team will be stronger at the end of the transfer window than it was at the start of it.
* Of course it's disappointing, but you have to remember there are teams with larger turnovers than Celtic who don't reach the Champions League every year.
* The supporters need to back the club so we can bring in better players for the next campaign.
"The money is available to Ronny and his management team if the right players become available." is another stick on.

We have heard the same pish for years now - The support could write Lawwell's diatribe for him it has been repeated ad nauseum so many times.
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Another one Lawwell is fond of is mixing up years and seasons to suit his answer. He'll say "We have brought in x number of players this year" and include Johansen and Griffiths signings in January in the conversation.
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I'll go for "Matchday Experience" in the Lawwell bingo.
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