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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,937 Views)
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bigbadpaul
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27 Aug 2014, 12:27 PM
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- arklys
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How did we have "unprecedented" CL success under Strachan compared to what happened before and after? Lennon got 10 points in the CL two seasons ago and MON got 9 points in 2001/02. Strachan had some fine European results but he also presided over our worst ever CL campaign, including a defeat to a Danish team who were as poor a side as we've ever faced in the group stages.
I'd say getting knocked out twice before the group stages makes this year's a pretty strong candidate for our worst ever CL campaign. So bad we were knocked out twice, says it all
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27 Aug 2014, 12:27 PM
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What percentage of the club does dermot desmond own?
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arklys
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27 Aug 2014, 12:28 PM
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How about you just get worked up about the fact that the board approved the appointment of a man who managed at the "Norwegian equivalent of Kilmarnock" (Vidar Riseth) He was never going to be up to this job, the jump in expectations was too great. I don't get the issue with this
If Kilmarnock won the Scottish Premiership I'd probably advocate pinching their manager.
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prettygreen
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27 Aug 2014, 12:30 PM
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As a PLC the main aim is to make money for their shareholders. they are doing that. but what they are not doing is running our club for the fans benefit and its sould crushing to watch. they are making money from player sales, merch, matchday revenue etc, but giving nothing back to the fans in return. we are the main reason their 'business' makes them money. I will not be spending another penny on this club till that board is punted. ST is paid for, but there will be no merch getting bought, no pints in kerrydale bar, or elsewhere within the club where ive been spending my money. they have milked our loyalty for too long. weakened the side, charge the same, and you know for a fact when scotland's newest club is in the SPL next season that the £100 will be added back to the season ticket price.
Back the team, sack the board.
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Jungle_G
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27 Aug 2014, 12:32 PM
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- mr boots
- 27 Aug 2014, 11:41 AM
My big issue with the board is Ian Bankiers positioning over the referendum. He has, in effect, turned the club into a Unionist club. I know it won't make any real difference to him, the club, or his chain of whisky shops but I won't be putting any money into the club until he is gone and won't be buying from his shops at all. Left a sour taste that - the timing of it above all else
Under no illusions about the board's likely political leanings. Small c-conservatives through to avowed tory carrots would be my educated stab at it.
However the chairman of a football club you couldn't make a proper case for, frightening off investors for fun right now, bumping his gums the morning after an historic humiliation, along wi a sprinking of his nest-feathering efftard chums with the brass neck to whine that those running the country don't know their stuff, like us businessy types. Who don't have the balls to spout our grandstanding pish without qualifying that we're speaking in a 'personal capacity' (but here's a list of the companies we pure run).
Sure ye are. effing boak.
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patsy
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27 Aug 2014, 12:35 PM
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I put this in the wrong thread earlier, should be here.
We are completely fed up with our club being run as a discount shop (ASDA) , if we want the board to take notice and players to take notice , we need to vote with our feet. Turn up to the next home game but not take our seats and protest outside the ground. 30-40 thousand outside will make a statement that the board can't ignore, and if they do we do it again. As a televised game in an empty ground will have far wider consequences for the board with its sponsors questioning their involvement.
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One sharp cookie
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27 Aug 2014, 12:37 PM
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- arklys
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How about you just get worked up about the fact that the board approved the appointment of a man who managed at the "Norwegian equivalent of Kilmarnock" (Vidar Riseth) He was never going to be up to this job, the jump in expectations was too great.
I don't get the issue with this If Kilmarnock won the Scottish Premiership I'd probably advocate pinching their manager. Not if all the other clubs in the league were of a similar size to Kilmarnock you wouldn't.
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27 Aug 2014, 12:52 PM
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There needs to be a change. I had a quick look at financial results from 2003 and compared them to the most recent set. For a start we had 10,000 more season ticket holders in 2003 and this was also the results that included Seville.
We had 53,000 season book holders in 2003 and we had 41,000 last year. 2003 was also a time when it was noted that we spent a lot towards the team with a few big named players in the squad. However we actually spent £33m in staff costs compared to the £41m we spend now. It's strange that we are spending almost £10m more on staff costs but are a shambles compared to that team.
I understand there is a slight difference in wage due to inflation but we only have 1-2 players on the same money as half the guys in that 2003 team.
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27 Aug 2014, 12:54 PM
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- Benjamin7
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- 27 Aug 2014, 11:41 AM
My big issue with the board is Ian Bankiers positioning over the referendum. He has, in effect, turned the club into a Unionist club. I know it won't make any real difference to him, the club, or his chain of whisky shops but I won't be putting any money into the club until he is gone and won't be buying from his shops at all.
Is this your big gripe with the board? Our chairman is voting no to independence, and so you are boycotting Celtic? I knew nationalists can be 'special' people from time to time but this is just ridiculous. What you are basically saying is that he shouldn't have a view on this subject, but since his view differs from yours then you will boycott Celtic... How about you just get worked up about the fact that the board approved the appointment of a man who managed at the "Norwegian equivalent of Kilmarnock" (Vidar Riseth) He was never going to be up to this job, the jump in expectations was too great. 4 Loan signings and a free transfer. We are an embarrassment. The Norwegian TV channel i watched the game on last night had a pundit on who said we would struggle to even win their premiership. I agree. Lack of investment in the right transfer targets and a manager who thinks losing at Celtic park to qualify for the Europa League is some sort of achievement is disgusting. Get worked up about that, not Ian Bankiers political opinions. Whilst there are many other gripes i have with the current board of the PLC, the timing of this sucks. The PLC are always telling us to leave out politics at the door yet are happy to align themselves with the likes of the Orange Order, the BNP, the EDL/SDL, Britain First etc in order for the individual board members to protect their own business interests at the expense of the people who support the club and the people of the country the club the operates in.
This thread is primarily concerned with the board. The managers many failings are being discussed elsewhere.
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Torbjorn
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27 Aug 2014, 01:00 PM
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It is very clear that the board are not particularly concerned about what we see on the park. If we get rid of the manager now, he acts as a scapegoat and the board's strategy remains the same.
Get rid of Lawwell (DD's henchman) and we get a new guy with patter learned from the Thick of it like "change", "holistic approach", and "dynamism". The board's strategy stays the same.
Either DD changes the strategy or he should move on and focus on his businesses where that type of strategy can be a success.
EDIT: posted that in the RD thread but should have been in here.
Edited by Torbjorn, 27 Aug 2014, 01:01 PM.
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alun_e
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27 Aug 2014, 01:07 PM
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I think what this boils down to is honesty from the Board. Lawwell is constantly bleeting on about the state of our finances and how solvent we are. His comments regarding £8m players is laughable, arrogant and deceptive of the people who support our club.
He needs to be honest. If we're not spending, but selling why is this? Tell us why.
What is the long term strategy for the club? Are we happy to win the league, get a decent run in Europa with the Champions League being a bonus? If that's the case be honest with the fans.
Lawwell has managed to acheive his goals of reducing spend, removing almost all significant debt at the price of the team on the field. He's about to find out a stark lesson that if you have team filled with rubbish no one will spend £10m on them.
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Pat McGatt
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27 Aug 2014, 01:13 PM
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- fortysixtwo
- 27 Aug 2014, 12:52 PM
There needs to be a change. I had a quick look at financial results from 2003 and compared them to the most recent set. For a start we had 10,000 more season ticket holders in 2003 and this was also the results that included Seville.
We had 53,000 season book holders in 2003 and we had 41,000 last year. 2003 was also a time when it was noted that we spent a lot towards the team with a few big named players in the squad. However we actually spent £33m in staff costs compared to the £41m we spend now. It's strange that we are spending almost £10m more on staff costs but are a shambles compared to that team.
I understand there is a slight difference in wage due to inflation but we only have 1-2 players on the same money as half the guys in that 2003 team.
Interesting if correct.
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murphio
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27 Aug 2014, 01:16 PM
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- alun_e
- 27 Aug 2014, 01:07 PM
I think what this boils down to is honesty from the Board. Quite.... this is the ceo who gave us Bent, Pavylechenko and 'deadline' busting capture of free transfer Zeng Zhi. The carrots think our heads zip up at the back.
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fortysixtwo
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27 Aug 2014, 01:21 PM
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Interesting if correct. You can see the 2013 results here: http://www.celtictrust.net/index.php?func=d_home_documents_view&id=48 the wages section is on page numbered 46.
The 2003 report can be found here: http://wikifoundryattachments.com/BeYA43ScSFJeN%24Lm6y%2B6Fg%3D%3D286171 page 33
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prettygreen
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27 Aug 2014, 01:23 PM
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- patsy
- 27 Aug 2014, 12:35 PM
I put this in the wrong thread earlier, should be here.
We are completely fed up with our club being run as a discount shop (ASDA) , if we want the board to take notice and players to take notice , we need to vote with our feet. Turn up to the next home game but not take our seats and protest outside the ground. 30-40 thousand outside will make a statement that the board can't ignore, and if they do we do it again. As a televised game in an empty ground will have far wider consequences for the board with its sponsors questioning their involvement.
I would support this decision. fan action needs to be taken. i dont think its jumping the gun to suggest that its back to the 'celts for change' movement to be resurrected. my worry is that it seems plenty are happy to just sit back and let whats happening continue. it will be hard to do, but i wont be shelling out my money for a europa league package. not because of the tournament, but the board needs to be hit in the pocket.
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27 Aug 2014, 01:29 PM
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- prettygreen
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As a PLC the main aim is to make money for their shareholders. they are doing that. but what they are not doing is running our club for the fans benefit and its sould crushing to watch. they are making money from player sales, merch, matchday revenue etc, but giving nothing back to the fans in return. we are the main reason their 'business' makes them money. I will not be spending another penny on this club till that board is punted. ST is paid for, but there will be no merch getting bought, no pints in kerrydale bar, or elsewhere within the club where ive been spending my money. they have milked our loyalty for too long. weakened the side, charge the same, and you know for a fact when scotland's newest club is in the SPL next season that the £100 will be added back to the season ticket price.
Back the team, sack the board. This summer could be PL's 'Ratner' moment.
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27 Aug 2014, 01:33 PM
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- 27 Aug 2014, 11:43 AM
Alarm bells were ringing when Lennon suddenly resigned. Some people expected him to go, but completely out the blue?
Then it became clear the ambition of the board when we started seeing the list of potential candidates that Lawwell had obviously leaked to the press (Larsson, Keane etc), that we were obviously going to continue with the policy of downsizing the quality of the playing squad whilst we remained in a position to get away with it domestically.
It then became a worry when said candidates no sane person wanted the club to employ as manager were actually knocking us back - we now know why that is, and you can add Petrescu to that list. I have no idea how many other unproven/shampooe/average managers said no to us, but we know of at least 3.
Heaven forbid the people in charge of our football club actually put a strategy in place to ensure the improvement of the quality on the park by going for an established manager they'd back financially (because we can certainly afford it).
Attendances have been dropping rapidly since MON left, and the quality of the squad along side it. One man has presided over all of this - Peter Lawwell - and he has been downsizing everything but his own salary since he got here. If we're now in a position where we're barely spending any money, then why are we hemorrhaging £1 million per year on this guys wages? Surely, in line with the boards policy, we should be punting this guy and bringing in someone on £50k per year? I mean that's the strategy thats been put in place, and Lawwell seems to be the only oddball left in the place immune to the policy he set in motion.
This pre season saw us make ridiculous trips to multiple countries, with no logical plan that would possibly benefit the team ahead of crucial Champions League Qualifiers. We even had a scenario where we played a pointless game in Germany, returned home to play a qualifier game, then went away back out to Germany to play another pointless tie.
We then couldn't even rely on taking on Legia at Celtic Park because Lawwell had given the keys of the stadium away.
We get kicked out of the Champions League by being pummeled 6-1 by a shampooe team from Poland, and luckily get back in due to an administrative error. So for the final qualifying round, our only attempts to strengthen the team was to add a dud from Aston Villa who is actually injured for 2 months, and a kid from Man City - both on loan.
We left a player out of the first team for a league match, then left him at home as the squad flew out to Slovenia because we thought he'd be suspended, only to seek clarification at the last minute and fly him out so he could sit on the bench.
It was clear we weren't good enough in Europe last season, barely qualifying in the dying minutes against a team from Kazakhstan. Our bargain basement signings were a failure, yet here we are a year later, on the 27th of August, 5 days before the transfer window shuts and we haven't even spent a penny.
To lose the chance of a guaranteed £17 million once is bad enough due to malpractice, but to actually go and do it again is absolutely mind blowing. effing mindblowing.
As a fan, I genuinely don't know what to do. I don't know how to go about removing him from the club, and I have no idea how to get supporters who have been poisoned by Lawwell to awake from their apathy coma to begin pushing for this ***** removal. But we need to do, and it has to be soon. We can't wait and see how Deila does this season - the damage has already been done.
You can certainly vote with your feet and your wallet (I obviously won't be spending any more money until Lawwell is out - as the bunnet once said: "Not one thin dime"), but that would only be enough if done en mass, and it won't be. There's too many happy clappers (the type of people that want 'Wim Jansen' back as manager) who will continue to line the pockets of this arsehole.
We need to do something now. Great post and saves me from writing my own thoughts. Suffice to say I have been banging this drum about my misgivings on the direction that Lawwell has been taking the club for years. Failing to beat a Slovenian side on the back of the income that has come into the club in the last two years is gross mismanagement from Lawwell and his Board and hopefully it will be a final wake up call to the support who up until now have been conditioned to believe that we haven't a pot to piss in with regard to spending on players.
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27 Aug 2014, 01:37 PM
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- 27 Aug 2014, 12:54 PM
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- 27 Aug 2014, 11:41 AM
My big issue with the board is Ian Bankiers positioning over the referendum. He has, in effect, turned the club into a Unionist club. I know it won't make any real difference to him, the club, or his chain of whisky shops but I won't be putting any money into the club until he is gone and won't be buying from his shops at all.
Is this your big gripe with the board? Our chairman is voting no to independence, and so you are boycotting Celtic? I knew nationalists can be 'special' people from time to time but this is just ridiculous. What you are basically saying is that he shouldn't have a view on this subject, but since his view differs from yours then you will boycott Celtic... How about you just get worked up about the fact that the board approved the appointment of a man who managed at the "Norwegian equivalent of Kilmarnock" (Vidar Riseth) He was never going to be up to this job, the jump in expectations was too great. 4 Loan signings and a free transfer. We are an embarrassment. The Norwegian TV channel i watched the game on last night had a pundit on who said we would struggle to even win their premiership. I agree. Lack of investment in the right transfer targets and a manager who thinks losing at Celtic park to qualify for the Europa League is some sort of achievement is disgusting. Get worked up about that, not Ian Bankiers political opinions.
Whilst there are many other gripes i have with the current board of the PLC, the timing of this sucks. The PLC are always telling us to leave out politics at the door yet are happy to align themselves with the likes of the Orange Order, the BNP, the EDL/SDL, Britain First etc in order for the individual board members to protect their own business interests at the expense of the people who support the club and the people of the country the club the operates in. This thread is primarily concerned with the board. The managers many failings are being discussed elsewhere. Who from the board or the plc in general has aligned themselves the Orange Order, the BNP or the EDL/SDL? If that is the case for someone they should be out of the club this minute.
Or do you mean since the BNP etc also supports the No-movement they are basically all in the same boat? If so that is a sickening way of trying to present all members of the no-movement as dirty racists.
Edited by henrimd, 27 Aug 2014, 01:38 PM.
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27 Aug 2014, 01:38 PM
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- Willie Wonka
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As a PLC the main aim is to make money for their shareholders. they are doing that. but what they are not doing is running our club for the fans benefit and its sould crushing to watch. they are making money from player sales, merch, matchday revenue etc, but giving nothing back to the fans in return. we are the main reason their 'business' makes them money. I will not be spending another penny on this club till that board is punted. ST is paid for, but there will be no merch getting bought, no pints in kerrydale bar, or elsewhere within the club where ive been spending my money. they have milked our loyalty for too long. weakened the side, charge the same, and you know for a fact when scotland's newest club is in the SPL next season that the £100 will be added back to the season ticket price.
Back the team, sack the board.
This summer could be PL's 'Ratner' moment. Ratner got pelters for calling his products crap. Lawwell is talking up his product whilst allowing the quality to deteriorate. He hasn't the honesty of a Ratner.
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27 Aug 2014, 01:39 PM
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- 27 Aug 2014, 11:43 AM
Alarm bells were ringing when Lennon suddenly resigned. Some people expected him to go, but completely out the blue?
Then it became clear the ambition of the board when we started seeing the list of potential candidates that Lawwell had obviously leaked to the press (Larsson, Keane etc), that we were obviously going to continue with the policy of downsizing the quality of the playing squad whilst we remained in a position to get away with it domestically.
It then became a worry when said candidates no sane person wanted the club to employ as manager were actually knocking us back - we now know why that is, and you can add Petrescu to that list. I have no idea how many other unproven/shampooe/average managers said no to us, but we know of at least 3.
Heaven forbid the people in charge of our football club actually put a strategy in place to ensure the improvement of the quality on the park by going for an established manager they'd back financially (because we can certainly afford it).
Attendances have been dropping rapidly since MON left, and the quality of the squad along side it. One man has presided over all of this - Peter Lawwell - and he has been downsizing everything but his own salary since he got here. If we're now in a position where we're barely spending any money, then why are we hemorrhaging £1 million per year on this guys wages? Surely, in line with the boards policy, we should be punting this guy and bringing in someone on £50k per year? I mean that's the strategy thats been put in place, and Lawwell seems to be the only oddball left in the place immune to the policy he set in motion.
This pre season saw us make ridiculous trips to multiple countries, with no logical plan that would possibly benefit the team ahead of crucial Champions League Qualifiers. We even had a scenario where we played a pointless game in Germany, returned home to play a qualifier game, then went away back out to Germany to play another pointless tie.
We then couldn't even rely on taking on Legia at Celtic Park because Lawwell had given the keys of the stadium away.
We get kicked out of the Champions League by being pummeled 6-1 by a shampooe team from Poland, and luckily get back in due to an administrative error. So for the final qualifying round, our only attempts to strengthen the team was to add a dud from Aston Villa who is actually injured for 2 months, and a kid from Man City - both on loan.
We left a player out of the first team for a league match, then left him at home as the squad flew out to Slovenia because we thought he'd be suspended, only to seek clarification at the last minute and fly him out so he could sit on the bench.
It was clear we weren't good enough in Europe last season, barely qualifying in the dying minutes against a team from Kazakhstan. Our bargain basement signings were a failure, yet here we are a year later, on the 27th of August, 5 days before the transfer window shuts and we haven't even spent a penny.
To lose the chance of a guaranteed £17 million once is bad enough due to malpractice, but to actually go and do it again is absolutely mind blowing. effing mindblowing.
As a fan, I genuinely don't know what to do. I don't know how to go about removing him from the club, and I have no idea how to get supporters who have been poisoned by Lawwell to awake from their apathy coma to begin pushing for this ***** removal. But we need to do, and it has to be soon. We can't wait and see how Deila does this season - the damage has already been done.
You can certainly vote with your feet and your wallet (I obviously won't be spending any more money until Lawwell is out - as the bunnet once said: "Not one thin dime"), but that would only be enough if done en mass, and it won't be. There's too many happy clappers (the type of people that want 'Wim Jansen' back as manager) who will continue to line the pockets of this arsehole.
We need to do something now.
Great post and saves me from writing my own thoughts. Suffice to say I have been banging this drum about my misgivings on the direction that Lawwell has been taking the club for years. Failing to beat a Slovenian side on the back of the income that has come into the club in the last two years is gross mismanagement from Lawwell and his Board and hopefully it will be a final wake up call to the support who up until now have been conditioned to believe that we haven't a pot to piss in with regard to spending on players. Great post.
Lawwell has actually managed to break his own model for the club. His buy low, sell high only works if those they buy are good enough to actually be sold on. We should be using the money brough in to buy a better quality of 'low buy' that we then sell for an even higher price. Instead, we have a scatter gun signing policy that sees £2m there and £3m here be spent on the likes of Balde, Pukki, Bangura. We'll be lucky to recoup £1million for all three.
I think his time has passed and it's time for a new CEO, new policy and possibly a new manager. I'm happy to give Deila time, but I feel like we're starting the Mowbray season all over again!
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