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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,938 Views)
Busa Bhoy
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at this rate of downsizing peter will get his challenge next year once the monkeys are up.


i really hoped we'd build on the strengths of a couple of years back and go on to dominate the spl for a good while. get into the CL regularly, mibbe even drop out and into the EC but do well in it. but the appointment of ronny ( the second dreadful manager appointment btw) and the lack of spending gives me the heebiejeebies.
i know we had 10 changes last week at ICT but we were effin woeful. if this is the standard to come through then i'am not lookin forward to it.

eff sake lawell, is it not better to be swanning around the directors lounge when youve won a big match or hiding in yer office?

go and take a running jump tae yerself.
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27 Aug 2014, 09:01 AM
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27 Aug 2014, 08:59 AM
MBhoy1888
27 Aug 2014, 08:26 AM

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How did we have "unprecedented" CL success under Strachan compared to what happened before and after? Lennon got 10 points in the CL two seasons ago and MON got 9 points in 2001/02. Strachan had some fine European results but he also presided over our worst ever CL campaign, including a defeat to a Danish team who were as poor a side as we've ever faced in the group stages.
We never qualified for the last 16 until Strachan took us there. That in anyones book is unprecedented :thumbsup:
And were a referee with a boner for Maldini away from getting to the QF...
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We're told that we aim to leave any transfer window, stronger than we entered it.

We've come out of successive transfer windows significantly weaker for years.
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Quote from PL Feb 2014. Good one Peter.


"As for the financial figures Neil will have substantial funds to spend in the summer.

“What we have a track record of is buying players.

“It makes no sense to keep the money in the bank and we’d rather invest in the business and that means investing in good footballers that create value for the club. Celtic can buy a £6-8m player if the value is there.

“We would not buy a 29-year-old at £8m on a four year contract at £40,000 a week because that is dead money.

“If there is value in signing an £8m player we will look at it.

“The money is there to be reinvested in the squad.
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Wee Ed KTF
27 Aug 2014, 11:04 AM
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27 Aug 2014, 10:30 AM
Are there any plans for any official protests or anything against the board at this stage?
Yep. I am outside the Celtic shop at the Almondvale Shopping Centre and making obscene gestures

Dermot will be worried
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Basically someone needs to get Desmond at the golf course, slap him with a glove, demand satisfaction and get the cheque book out and pay him off.

Its all so easy

:(
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jarviebhoy1986
27 Aug 2014, 11:21 AM
Quote from PL Feb 2014. Good one Peter.


"As for the financial figures Neil will have substantial funds to spend in the summer.

“What we have a track record of is buying players.

“It makes no sense to keep the money in the bank and we’d rather invest in the business and that means investing in good footballers that create value for the club. Celtic can buy a £6-8m player if the value is there.

“We would not buy a 29-year-old at £8m on a four year contract at £40,000 a week because that is dead money.

“If there is value in signing an £8m player we will look at it.

“The money is there to be reinvested in the squad.
Laughable
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I understand that there was some (minor?) protesting went on last night, anyone have any info on the degree of visible unrest?
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The Poacher
27 Aug 2014, 11:24 AM
Basically someone needs to get Desmond at the golf course, slap him with a glove, demand satisfaction and get the cheque book out and pay him off.

Its all so easy

:(
Desmond is a billionaire who oversees a vast business empire - Celtic is the least of his worries. The Board as a whole are a bunch of incompetents. Last night was always going to happen. The Board need replaced - it really is that simple.
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georgiebhoy
27 Aug 2014, 08:21 AM
I find it quite sad that the board are trying to use governmental type austerity measures on something that is essentially the entertainment business.

They fail to realise that the hard won fan loyalty can be eroded by mismanagement and a lack of appreciation of what we want.
A football team that competes, entertains and wins. If you don't have that as the 'goal', you can't be surprised when people decide to look elsewhere when it comes to spending their hard earned.
That's actually a very good point.
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Who actually decides whether we spend cash or not? Is it Lawwell, The Board or Desmond? The same, losing gamble.

To be honest Desmond can GTF along with Lawwell and I'm sure if someone offered to buy him out, he would sell. He doesn't give a flying eff about Celtic, really.
eff off Desmond. eff off to the K-Club or Sandy Lane and stick a 3 Wood up your miserable, moustachioed jacksie. :arrr:
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My big issue with the board is Ian Bankiers positioning over the referendum. He has, in effect, turned the club into a Unionist club. I know it won't make any real difference to him, the club, or his chain of whisky shops but I won't be putting any money into the club until he is gone and won't be buying from his shops at all.
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The board really do have a lot to answer for.

40m in Champions league funds the past 2 years
20m in player sales last year
10m in player sales this year

A load of duds for projects

Refusing to offer contracts to Sammi, Ledley and Hooper when all were willing to stay for the same money or in Hoopers case a bit more

Lawell saying Lennon will get substantial funds to spend this Summer only for Lennon to leave because he knew there was very little going to be made available to spend.

Lawell proclaiming we would spend 6-8 million on one player if it represented value for money.

The players we have missed out on over the past few years as well can be put down to board negligence. We all know how much more Steven Fletcher would have cost all those years ago. That would most likely have helped us win the league that year under Strachan for a 4th year in a row.

Since then they have penny pinched on players like Finboggason, Henriksen, James Mccarthy, Olivier Giroud and many others.

They have also scouted many other players, made enquires but either not followed up or not moved quickly enough on them. Other teams in more lucrative leagues have then come in and took them. Players like the striker who went to a German side last season (can’t remember his name) or Yoshida who went to Southampton. There’s many others I can’t think off the top of my head but it just seems every window we have these targets that always end up playing with different teams come the end of the window, all the while we are still effing around bringing in donkeys or loans as this season has proved.

The newest thing though seems to be using the huns complete self-destruction as a yard stick. Anytime spending more money is raised by fans all a lot of fans start spouting the demise of the huns as some way of justifying the lack of investment. Its complete bollocks, 2 years ago we were light years ahead of that mob, now though not so much and it’s all down to the lack of serious investment from the boardroom.

The board have a hell of a lot to answer for, we have had 10 years of Lawell, I don’t want 10 more.
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Alarm bells were ringing when Lennon suddenly resigned. Some people expected him to go, but completely out the blue?

Then it became clear the ambition of the board when we started seeing the list of potential candidates that Lawwell had obviously leaked to the press (Larsson, Keane etc), that we were obviously going to continue with the policy of downsizing the quality of the playing squad whilst we remained in a position to get away with it domestically.

It then became a worry when said candidates no sane person wanted the club to employ as manager were actually knocking us back - we now know why that is, and you can add Petrescu to that list. I have no idea how many other unproven/shampooe/average managers said no to us, but we know of at least 3.

Heaven forbid the people in charge of our football club actually put a strategy in place to ensure the improvement of the quality on the park by going for an established manager they'd back financially (because we can certainly afford it).

Attendances have been dropping rapidly since MON left, and the quality of the squad along side it. One man has presided over all of this - Peter Lawwell - and he has been downsizing everything but his own salary since he got here. If we're now in a position where we're barely spending any money, then why are we hemorrhaging £1 million per year on this guys wages? Surely, in line with the boards policy, we should be punting this guy and bringing in someone on £50k per year? I mean that's the strategy thats been put in place, and Lawwell seems to be the only oddball left in the place immune to the policy he set in motion.

This pre season saw us make ridiculous trips to multiple countries, with no logical plan that would possibly benefit the team ahead of crucial Champions League Qualifiers. We even had a scenario where we played a pointless game in Germany, returned home to play a qualifier game, then went away back out to Germany to play another pointless tie.

We then couldn't even rely on taking on Legia at Celtic Park because Lawwell had given the keys of the stadium away.

We get kicked out of the Champions League by being pummeled 6-1 by a shampooe team from Poland, and luckily get back in due to an administrative error. So for the final qualifying round, our only attempts to strengthen the team was to add a dud from Aston Villa who is actually injured for 2 months, and a kid from Man City - both on loan.

We left a player out of the first team for a league match, then left him at home as the squad flew out to Slovenia because we thought he'd be suspended, only to seek clarification at the last minute and fly him out so he could sit on the bench.

It was clear we weren't good enough in Europe last season, barely qualifying in the dying minutes against a team from Kazakhstan. Our bargain basement signings were a failure, yet here we are a year later, on the 27th of August, 5 days before the transfer window shuts and we haven't even spent a penny.

To lose the chance of a guaranteed £17 million once is bad enough due to malpractice, but to actually go and do it again is absolutely mind blowing. effing mindblowing.

As a fan, I genuinely don't know what to do. I don't know how to go about removing him from the club, and I have no idea how to get supporters who have been poisoned by Lawwell to awake from their apathy coma to begin pushing for this ***** removal. But we need to do, and it has to be soon. We can't wait and see how Deila does this season - the damage has already been done.

You can certainly vote with your feet and your wallet (I obviously won't be spending any more money until Lawwell is out - as the bunnet once said: "Not one thin dime"), but that would only be enough if done en mass, and it won't be. There's too many happy clappers (the type of people that want 'Wim Jansen' back as manager) who will continue to line the pockets of this arsehole.

We need to do something now.
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Over 14 hours since full time and Ive not had my 'Europa League' fashion range offers email from the PLC. :pitchfork:
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27 Aug 2014, 11:29 AM
I understand that there was some (minor?) protesting went on last night, anyone have any info on the degree of visible unrest?
I was there, just your usual " Lawwell GTF" and " Sack the Board" chants until police on horseback moved people along after about 30 mins. Lots of scarves thrown and a guy threw his season ticket away.
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Is there someone on here with a decent understanding of accounts who could actually try to break down Celtics numbers? I would assume all paperwork is public as we are a Plc.

One simple thing I don't understand is this: The papers report that the group stages of the Champions League is worth fom 12-15 million pounds. So by not qualifying we lose 12 million, if you don't count in Europa League income. As we are seemingly prepared to lose these 12 million, as we did this year, wouldn't it be risk free business to spend say 10 million to qualify? As we don't count in the money anyway? Of course we stand the risk of still not qualifying, but with two 5 million players etch year I'd say that risk isn't very big with the route we now have.
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27 Aug 2014, 08:59 AM
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27 Aug 2014, 08:26 AM
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My point is that during that time when we enjoyed unprecedented success in the CL in comparison with what came before or after people were fairly vocal of their critisicm of our manager and when we failed to secure a league title they dumped on him severly and saw him out the job, the biggest criticism was unnattractive football, but I do not remember feeling shampoo after beating man u, milan, shaktar donetsk or that game against old co where we stole the league back, if you wanted 'attractive' football then your getting it and theres going to be a few casualties in terms of results, along the way.
How did we have "unprecedented" CL success under Strachan compared to what happened before and after? Lennon got 10 points in the CL two seasons ago and MON got 9 points in 2001/02. Strachan had some fine European results but he also presided over our worst ever CL campaign, including a defeat to a Danish team who were as poor a side as we've ever faced in the group stages.
I'd say getting knocked out twice before the group stages makes this year's a pretty strong candidate for our worst ever CL campaign.
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27 Aug 2014, 11:41 AM
My big issue with the board is Ian Bankiers positioning over the referendum. He has, in effect, turned the club into a Unionist club. I know it won't make any real difference to him, the club, or his chain of whisky shops but I won't be putting any money into the club until he is gone and won't be buying from his shops at all.
Is this your big gripe with the board? Our chairman is voting no to independence, and so you are boycotting Celtic?

I knew nationalists can be 'special' people from time to time but this is just ridiculous. What you are basically saying is that he shouldn't have a view on this subject, but since his view differs from yours then you will boycott Celtic...

How about you just get worked up about the fact that the board approved the appointment of a man who managed at the "Norwegian equivalent of Kilmarnock" (Vidar Riseth) He was never going to be up to this job, the jump in expectations was too great.

4 Loan signings and a free transfer. We are an embarrassment. The Norwegian TV channel i watched the game on last night had a pundit on who said we would struggle to even win their premiership. I agree. Lack of investment in the right transfer targets and a manager who thinks losing at Celtic park to qualify for the Europa League is some sort of achievement is disgusting.

Get worked up about that, not Ian Bankiers political opinions.
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mr boots
27 Aug 2014, 11:41 AM
My big issue with the board is Ian Bankiers positioning over the referendum. He has, in effect, turned the club into a Unionist club. I know it won't make any real difference to him, the club, or his chain of whisky shops but I won't be putting any money into the club until he is gone and won't be buying from his shops at all.
Not strictly true, Boots. That carrot Brian Wilson has been on the board for years :suspect:
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