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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,949 Views)
sevilliano
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Pl ain't daft he's created an expectation in the boardroom that if it's crap on the park and turmoil in support he's backed by the board because his prophecy has come to pass and he's a genius

If Delia succeeds he's a genius

Well done Peter it's you before Celtic as it always was
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lenobhoy
15 Aug 2014, 09:01 PM
paulfg42
15 Aug 2014, 06:42 PM
It's a self-generated downturn ffs.

That Lawwell and the board can't see or refuse to acknowledge the decline in quality is utterly depressing and confirms that nothing will be done unless supporters remove their financial backing.
Exactly. It is a downturn that they generate. If you had a proper youth system that care not a jot about winning youth leagues but in producing better players, if you had scouting network that did not pick up eejits like Bangura or Murphy (i.e if we selected quality over quantity) and if you pushed the boat our for one or two exciting players, then you would not have a downturn. There is no strategic planning, see the buys of Pukki at the last minute and no proper strategy in place.
Every season we seem to be grubbing about in July trying to get players in , your right the Pukki deal is a perfect example purchasing probably 3rd choice player when both the selling club and the player know we are desperate.

this board does have a strategy, unfortunately its not for the team on the park, its for the board.
they knew Hooper was leaving 6 months before he did, they knew what they would get for him, why didnt they have a replacement ready to move in, same with wanyama.

this is bad business, look at the waste of money purchasing players like Balde etc , you couldent make it up, its as if buying these guys wasnt important and was secondary to the importance of the boardroom instead of the other way about. no forward planning, continuity or strategy for the team.

Lawwell isnt running the club properly, there were strong warnings in europe last year, the Legia debacle was an embarrassment which will take years to go away.all down to a lack of forward planning.
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sevilliano
15 Aug 2014, 05:44 PM
Got the clearest indication of the board thinking today from someone close to the board

Football is cyclical and we've had our good times so we can expect a downturn

We can't afford wages of striker who is in reasonable fee quality range ie c4m

The team isn't as bad as people think - in fact it's not that much different from when Lennon made last 16

Some of our as yet unproven forward line will come good eg pukki

The new manager needs time as he'll get more out of the team than Lennon once he's had time as complacency had set in

Basically it's a polite eff off to any criticism and we'll bunker down as we know we are right

It's worrying on a number of fronts

Football is cyclical but they appear to be accepting a world where we get left further and further behind in Europe with pl and this board having failed to deliver one innovation in 11-15 years since fergus left

They don't seem to understand that within reason you can have very well paid players and other tiers of players - if you grow your own and don't sign too many duds

That they don't understand our academy teams may do well but their purpose is not to do well as teams but provide players for first team to help offset cost of proven quality

They don't have a clue about football if they think this team is equivalent to lennons last 16 team

They don't have a clue about football if they think likes of pukki are going to be our new hooper

They don't have a clue if they think a complacent team who have performed well in the past with other quality as part of team there are going to be managed/chastened by a Norwegian nobody in theur eyes who has no players to sub in for them

I think the board are in the words of our esteemed gcc leader basically saying bring it on

Feel sorry for Delia as you never know he may have ability but they're going to make life as difficult as possible for all concerned as they've already factored in a dip till huns come back
Terrifying. How can they sell the best goalie, best centre back, two best midfielders and two best strikers and expect the team to be "not much different"? The spine of the side has been ripped out. We're like Southampton, only without the big money replacements.
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The club's way of making up for the lost fans is to sell players and replace with cheaper options. This is one of the reasons fans aren't turning up. The quality of play and player is reducing year after year and even £100 off season tickets isn't getting some of us back.
This will go on as long as we proceed with the quantity not quality approach. The club don't have to spend like the old huns, they should spend some money on the occasional player who will get bums on seats.

Last season we bought Pukki who seemed well down the wish list. Why did we bother? He wasn't good enough to be a top priority so he clearly wasn't that good.
Pukki, Balde and Griffiths were a waste of money and the combined fee could have brought in a bit of quality with the wage probably less than the combined wage for the other three.

If the board had their way we would have two celebrations today. The league flag and balance sheet, but think how much better it could be if we didn't waste money on third rate panic buys.
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timtastic
16 Aug 2014, 07:55 AM
The club's way of making up for the lost fans is to sell players and replace with cheaper options. This is one of the reasons fans aren't turning up. The quality of play and player is reducing year after year and even £100 off season tickets isn't getting some of us back.
This will go on as long as we proceed with the quantity not quality approach. The club don't have to spend like the old huns, they should spend some money on the occasional player who will get bums on seats.

Last season we bought Pukki who seemed well down the wish list. Why did we bother? He wasn't good enough to be a top priority so he clearly wasn't that good.
Pukki, Balde and Griffiths were a waste of money and the combined fee could have brought in a bit of quality with the wage probably less than the combined wage for the other three.

If the board had their way we would have two celebrations today. The league flag and balance sheet, but think how much better it could be if we didn't waste money on third rate panic buys.
Good discussion on Celtic underground podcast on this - what was a £1m purchase 2 years ago is now £2m and what was £2m is now £3 -4m

So when we've been buying we've stayed still getting lesser players despite getting more money in

Someone is spinning the board a line and it's PL and JP

It'll take us struggling in league or a hidings off likes of Aberdeen or utd to get message home that they're clueless as they had absolutely no shame sitting with money in bank
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sevilliano
16 Aug 2014, 12:18 PM
timtastic
16 Aug 2014, 07:55 AM
The club's way of making up for the lost fans is to sell players and replace with cheaper options. This is one of the reasons fans aren't turning up. The quality of play and player is reducing year after year and even £100 off season tickets isn't getting some of us back.
This will go on as long as we proceed with the quantity not quality approach. The club don't have to spend like the old huns, they should spend some money on the occasional player who will get bums on seats.

Last season we bought Pukki who seemed well down the wish list. Why did we bother? He wasn't good enough to be a top priority so he clearly wasn't that good.
Pukki, Balde and Griffiths were a waste of money and the combined fee could have brought in a bit of quality with the wage probably less than the combined wage for the other three.

If the board had their way we would have two celebrations today. The league flag and balance sheet, but think how much better it could be if we didn't waste money on third rate panic buys.
Good discussion on Celtic underground podcast on this - what was a £1m purchase 2 years ago is now £2m and what was £2m is now £3 -4m

So when we've been buying we've stayed still getting lesser players despite getting more money in

Someone is spinning the board a line and it's PL and JP

It'll take us struggling in league or a hidings off likes of Aberdeen or utd to get message home that they're clueless as they had absolutely no shame sitting with money in bank
I guess yesterday afternoon didn't go so well then? :lol:
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After the last two games, maybe I hit the panic button too soon. Waiting to see on Wednesday. Although I am convinced some systemic issues are present, despite the 6-1 smackdown of DU.
Edited by Dewey, 17 Aug 2014, 06:07 AM.
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17 Aug 2014, 06:06 AM
After the last two games, maybe I hit the panic button too soon. Waiting to see on Wednesday. Although I am convinced some systemic issues are present, despite the 6-1 smackdown of DU.
There is a massive difference in quality between the spl and teams such as legia and Maribor. I wouldn't be surprised if we are beaten easily on Wednesday.

If the board were willing to spend the money then players would come to celtic. Be have announced impressive profits the past 2 years and we're about to do so again. We could be bringing in 2-3 quality players per season and break even financially but we choose not to. Frustrating for a supporter when 90% of teams our size lose big money every year.



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Edmontim
17 Aug 2014, 06:45 AM
Dewey
17 Aug 2014, 06:06 AM
After the last two games, maybe I hit the panic button too soon. Waiting to see on Wednesday. Although I am convinced some systemic issues are present, despite the 6-1 smackdown of DU.
There is a massive difference in quality between the spl and teams such as legia and Maribor. I wouldn't be surprised if we are beaten easily on Wednesday.

If the board were willing to spend the money then players would come to celtic. Be have announced impressive profits the past 2 years and we're about to do so again. We could be bringing in 2-3 quality players per season and break even financially but we choose not to. Frustrating for a supporter when 90% of teams our size lose big money every year.



Yeah our deficiencies will be fairly obvious to a seasoned manager watching our recent games. Hopefully we're going to play a less expansive game this midweek going by what RD has said.

If the Board pony up for the fabled 4-5m striker, they may well go from zero to hero instantly. If they don't and Gordon breaks down injured, they'll be getting effigys burned in the car park. Fine line. Another year of 'not quite being able to get it over the line' isn't going to appease a lot of fans.
Edited by wigwam, 17 Aug 2014, 08:01 AM.
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A few hours to go til the deadline and still no sign of a the fabled striker.
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the last 2 games have taken the heat of Lawwell given the growing anger that was building in his personal direction after the Legia debacle.

I doubt very much if we'll see this fabled "striker" that we have been expecting since Hoopers' departure.

We have pulled in over £11 million already this season and we have yet to invest a penny of it back in the team with loans seemingly Lawwells new mantra.

It remains a soul destroying state of affairs and is completely unacceptable given how much money the football part of the business has generated in the last few seasons, either from selling anything that looks like an asset or qualifying for the group stages of the CL. Only a tiny fraction of that money has been put back into the most important part of our business i.e. the first team on the park.

Lawwell is currently getting away with it - again!!!
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19 Aug 2014, 07:01 PM
the last 2 games have taken the heat of Lawwell given the growing anger that was building in his personal direction after the Legia debacle.

I doubt very much if we'll see this fabled "striker" that we have been expecting since Hoopers' departure.

We have pulled in over £11 million already this season and we have yet to invest a penny of it back in the team with loans seemingly Lawwells new mantra.

It remains a soul destroying state of affairs and is completely unacceptable given how much money the football part of the business has generated in the last few seasons, either from selling anything that looks like an asset or qualifying for the group stages of the CL. Only a tiny fraction of that money has been put back into the most important part of our business i.e. the first team on the park.

Lawwell is currently getting away with it - again!!!
See you in here this time tomorrow. :ph43r: :cry:
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The irony is that the real prize is getting into the CL, competing is not possible in there. We need the players to qualify!! No real point after the fact.
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"I think they are beginning to understand that if we reduce the wage bill it doesn't mean a reduction in quality. It just means you have a responsibility to spend wisely and we demonstrated that over the close season when we reduced the wage bill, but added a high degree of quality to the squad.


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"What the profits that we've made in the last couple of years allow us to do is reinvest in the football squad, which we did last summer and we did in January.

"We've got a track record now of reinvesting what we earn and that is something that we would hope to continue to do within this financial performance.

"The board's commitment has always been to maintain and improve the quality of the squad and I think we've done that."



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Maybe I am really off the mark but it seems to me like the board have tried to put across a catch 22 scenario to the supporters in the sense that we shouldn't invest a lot of money on one or two first team players because we aren't guaranteed CL football because of the qualifiers and then when we get there the same thing is used against us because we are only there to make the group stages for the guaranteed TV revenue and anything more than that, for example last 16 or the Europa League last 32 is an added bonus.

What's really worrying more than anything is that the fans aren't buying this and rightly so. Even with the £100 discount and the CL reprieve we didn't sell out for the opening home game of the season and the board will only use lower attendances as a reason for not spending more on signing players thus giving is very few options at all.
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19 Aug 2014, 06:39 PM
A few hours to go til the deadline and still no sign of a the fabled striker.
Won't be long, Lawwell has organised a lift for him on the back of the tooth fairy.
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If we get through this tie, there better be some deals lined up for players coming in. If the only transfer activity revolves around VVD leaving, then we're in for a heavy bruising in the Champions League.
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Spend some feckin' money ya shower of tight fisted bassas. :arrr:
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fatboab
20 Aug 2014, 10:44 PM
Spend some feckin' money ya shower of tight fisted bassas. :arrr:
If we get through next Tuesday :pray: absolutely no amount of spin will be acceptable this feckin' time around. :arrr:
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20 Aug 2014, 10:52 PM
fatboab
20 Aug 2014, 10:44 PM
Spend some feckin' money ya shower of tight fisted bassas. :arrr:
If we get through next Tuesday :pray: absolutely no amount of spin will be acceptable this feckin' time around. :arrr:
Agreed, surely they wouldn't be that arrogant out of sync. A striker is a priority.
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