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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,954 Views)
In The Heat of Lisbon
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Moey 67
12 Aug 2014, 03:17 PM
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12 Aug 2014, 03:09 PM
Moey 67
12 Aug 2014, 03:05 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepI renewed our 4 books last week,
Yeah, wife and Kids.

They would be gutted, as would I, but like I said, likely we would only make half the games anyway, with them being passed to friends and family for the others.

The really effing annoying thing is that I went ahead and renewed despite the humiliating defeat in Warsaw, kidding myself on that as Celtic fans, the board would finally click as to what is needed regarding investment in the team.

Really havent felt this low regarding our club in ages.
Think of the children :cry: :cry:

I'd have been gutted if my Da had sent back my SB on a matter of principle with the Board - although when I was a kid, it didn't matter, we got lifted over.

Would you still be planning to take the family on a game-to-game basis?
Yeah, would still go on a game by game.

Would probably cost about the same as well, but at least maybe it would send a message out.

I cant believe I am even typing this ffs.
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Have supported how the board were running things for a long time now. But it's gone too far in the conservative direction now, so much so that I don't see us as a well run club anymore. Scouring the market for bargains that can potentially make a profit is fine, but that doesn't mean we can't invest in proven quality. No one is asking for 10-20 million pound players. There are surely decent strikers out there playing in decent leagues that can be got for around the 5 million pound range. A player that gets us the goals we need to make the CL group stages pays for himself straight away. 2 years CL money and 40 million in player sales yet all we bring in are the likes of Pukki, Balde, Griffiths. I'd rather we bought none of those diddies and spent the money on ONE decent striker worthy of the name. Keeping money in the bank or paying it out in dividends when we haven't a striker who could hit a bulls arse with a banjo will only hurt attendances even further. Lower attendances means less money so the downward spiral continues. We are not a well run club.
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In The Heat of Lisbon
12 Aug 2014, 03:20 PM
Moey 67
12 Aug 2014, 03:17 PM
In The Heat of Lisbon
12 Aug 2014, 03:09 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepI renewed our 4 books last week,
Think of the children :cry: :cry:

I'd have been gutted if my Da had sent back my SB on a matter of principle with the Board - although when I was a kid, it didn't matter, we got lifted over.

Would you still be planning to take the family on a game-to-game basis?
Yeah, would still go on a game by game.

Would probably cost about the same as well, but at least maybe it would send a message out.

I cant believe I am even typing this ffs.
I posted after the first Legia game, that it is people like me who are the problem. I think it was to PatMcGatt who was struggling at the time with the result.

I got my first season ticket with my late old man, in 86/87. Even endured Hampden. Can remember missing the 95 rugby world cup final to renew my ST, to get back into the new Parkhead.

I have religiously bought a ST ever since. This year is the wee mans first ticket. I sit with 4 friends and two of their wee lads have got one for the first time also.

I have for the past few years, thought I don't go enough, spend more time with the family etc, I'll just leave it. But, I always have the fear of missing out, so I stupidly buy it. But no more, I have given them the tools to take the piss too many times. They won't be getting my money.

Don't quote me when I get the begging letter in, in April to renew and we've been linked to some starlet, as I am very weak willied.

Bastards have got me.
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Obviously JC is toeing the PL party line, much like the manager - it's very difficult to get players in during the window, don't give me that shampoo and stop treating the support with contempt.
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12 Aug 2014, 03:37 PM
Obviously JC is toeing the PL party line, much like the manager - it's very difficult to get players in during the window, don't give me that shampoo and stop treating the support with contempt.
This contempt needs to be thrown back in their faces.

I hope Lawwell and those of the board who show up tomorrow night get to feel the wrath of the support. The MSM won't fail to notice that.

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This has probably been done, but i never noticed a thread on it and i've not read it in here.

Dan Petrescu quote “Celtic contacted me, they wanted me. I spoke to their previous manager, they have problems.”

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apologies, just seen it in the press thread.
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TravellingDoctorsShop
12 Aug 2014, 01:32 PM
When are the next set of accounts out?
It used to be in August every year but IIRC last year's did not appear until late Sept.
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The truth is Scottish football, and by extension us to a degree, is utterly fecked. The standard of competition has just consistently dropped over the years and the downsizing we're viewing has as much to do with that as the management or the board. We simply cant compete on anything close to the level of other european clubs for transfer fees or wages, the latter in particular. It's effing horrible that a club with the support and history like ours is ending up in this position by virtue of the decline of domestic football, we're surely not far away from being considered as much of a backwater as wales, whose two largest clubs play in the English set up. Barring some sort of rich nutter with a love for all things scottish and football related plowing money into the game the whole situation is only going to become more regional and parochial as lack of outside intrest drops even more.
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MBhoy1888
12 Aug 2014, 04:03 PM
The truth is Scottish football, and by extension us to a degree, is utterly fecked. The standard of competition has just consistently dropped over the years and the downsizing we're viewing has as much to do with that as the management or the board. We simply cant compete on anything close to the level of other european clubs for transfer fees or wages, the latter in particular. It's effing horrible that a club with the support and history like ours is ending up in this position by virtue of the decline of domestic football, we're surely not far away from being considered as much of a backwater as wales, whose two largest clubs play in the English set up. Barring some sort of rich nutter with a love for all things scottish and football related plowing money into the game the whole situation is only going to become more regional and parochial as lack of outside intrest drops even more.
The board spending zero, zilch, nada, 0 on transfer fees as of today (12th August) has absolutely nothing to do with not being a club in an elite European league.

We have no excuses for this chronic lack of investment.
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Mubo Loravcik
12 Aug 2014, 04:08 PM
MBhoy1888
12 Aug 2014, 04:03 PM
The truth is Scottish football, and by extension us to a degree, is utterly fecked. The standard of competition has just consistently dropped over the years and the downsizing we're viewing has as much to do with that as the management or the board. We simply cant compete on anything close to the level of other european clubs for transfer fees or wages, the latter in particular. It's effing horrible that a club with the support and history like ours is ending up in this position by virtue of the decline of domestic football, we're surely not far away from being considered as much of a backwater as wales, whose two largest clubs play in the English set up. Barring some sort of rich nutter with a love for all things scottish and football related plowing money into the game the whole situation is only going to become more regional and parochial as lack of outside intrest drops even more.
The board spending zero, zilch, nada, 0 on transfer fees as of today (12th August) has absolutely nothing to do with not being a club in an elite European league.

We have no excuses for this chronic lack of investment.
Brings me on to my question.

Are we the only Champions of any European league who have failed to buy any players during the window?
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12 Aug 2014, 03:37 PM
Obviously JC is toeing the PL party line, much like the manager - it's very difficult to get players in during the window, don't give me that shampoo and stop treating the support with contempt.
FFs and how many transfer windows now have we heard the same pishy lines being trotted out.

Feckin Wideos are ripping the pish completely now.

I have never been anti-board or Anti-Lawwell, but this is the final straw.

The earnings from the CL and player sales the last 2 years have been well over 70million and they have reinvested a totally negligible amount back into the team.
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Lawwell was on-record during his "roadshows" with Lennon that all profits from player sales would be reinvested in the playing squad. In the past 4 years he's sold McGeady, Ki, Hooper, Wanyama and Forster for a combined fee of £43.5m (when you take off the initial transfer fees paid, that's still well over £35m profit). Add 2 years worth of Champions League money to that, then it really is an absolute joke that our own "investments" in a playing squad - that clearly lacks quality and needs strengthening - is 3 loan deals and an unattached free transfer. The board are taking the piss.
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12 Aug 2014, 05:27 PM
Lawwell was on-record during his "roadshows" with Lennon that all profits from player sales would be reinvested in the playing squad. In the past 4 years he's sold McGeady, Ki, Hooper, Wanyama and Forster for a combined fee of £43.5m (when you take off the initial transfer fees paid, that's still well over £35m profit). Add 2 years worth of Champions League money to that, then it really is an absolute joke that our own "investments" in a playing squad - that clearly lacks quality and needs strengthening - is 3 loan deals and an unattached free transfer. The board are taking the piss.
its not as simple as that. you cant put those fees together and say we brought in X. the mcgeady money was used to re-shape an entire team, to buy Hooper, Wanyama, Forster.

That was a terrific piece of business. And the Board Lawwell etc should rightly be applauded for that.

Its what has been done since the fall of the huns that has been the huge problem. They are simply not spending money wisely. When Wanyama left, they should have used the money to purchase 2 really decent players, instead, they went out and used a scattergun approach to purchases. The quality all over the field has dropped dramatically, bar at centre back, and left and right back, from the Barcelona high of a few years ago. Its all well and good in trying a few random gamble purchases, but, our entire purchases for the last 18 months at least have been at that level. Lawwell promised when Petrov left that we would always try to have one or two really good quality players, and pay competitive wages. Thats bullshampoo. He now earns as much as our best players do. That is in and of itself a effing disgrace.

In Larsson's day, we had players who were own 5* as much as our Chief Execs were on.

The strategy of Celtic for the past 18 months or so has been ruinous - not in terms of allowing players to leave, but, in how they have changed their strategy in terms of what they bring in. The extra fees coming in, from CL and player sales, should have been used to buy 1 or 2 3-4m players, not 4-5 1.5m players. Its not about spending more money, but about being wise as to how you spend what you have. The Board right now have lost their way, and if they dont sort this out soon, theyll be playing to crowds of the mid-1990s again very soon.
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the standard line now seems to be that wages are the problem

presumably, they think that bringing in a great player on, let's say, £35/40k a week will see a long queue outside lawwell's office of stokes, mulgrew, commons etc demanding parity

a simple 'feck off, if you think you can get that elsewhere, tatty bye' would suffice
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Belgrano
12 Aug 2014, 05:27 PM
Lawwell was on-record during his "roadshows" with Lennon that all profits from player sales would be reinvested in the playing squad. In the past 4 years he's sold McGeady, Ki, Hooper, Wanyama and Forster for a combined fee of £43.5m (when you take off the initial transfer fees paid, that's still well over £35m profit). Add 2 years worth of Champions League money to that, then it really is an absolute joke that our own "investments" in a playing squad - that clearly lacks quality and needs strengthening - is 3 loan deals and an unattached free transfer. The board are taking the piss.
Smoke and mirrors - they'll tell you that it has in fact all gone back, on player wages, blah blah blah
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12 Aug 2014, 05:42 PM
Belgrano
12 Aug 2014, 05:27 PM
Lawwell was on-record during his "roadshows" with Lennon that all profits from player sales would be reinvested in the playing squad. In the past 4 years he's sold McGeady, Ki, Hooper, Wanyama and Forster for a combined fee of £43.5m (when you take off the initial transfer fees paid, that's still well over £35m profit). Add 2 years worth of Champions League money to that, then it really is an absolute joke that our own "investments" in a playing squad - that clearly lacks quality and needs strengthening - is 3 loan deals and an unattached free transfer. The board are taking the piss.
its not as simple as that. you cant put those fees together and say we brought in X. the mcgeady money was used to re-shape an entire team, to buy Hooper, Wanyama, Forster.

That was a terrific piece of business. And the Board Lawwell etc should rightly be applauded for that.

Its what has been done since the fall of the huns that has been the huge problem. They are simply not spending money wisely. When Wanyama left, they should have used the money to purchase 2 really decent players, instead, they went out and used a scattergun approach to purchases. The quality all over the field has dropped dramatically, bar at centre back, and left and right back, from the Barcelona high of a few years ago. Its all well and good in trying a few random gamble purchases, but, our entire purchases for the last 18 months at least have been at that level. Lawwell promised when Petrov left that we would always try to have one or two really good quality players, and pay competitive wages. Thats bullshampoo. He now earns as much as our best players do. That is in and of itself a effing disgrace.

In Larsson's day, we had players who were own 5* as much as our Chief Execs were on.

The strategy of Celtic for the past 18 months or so has been ruinous - not in terms of allowing players to leave, but, in how they have changed their strategy in terms of what they bring in. The extra fees coming in, from CL and player sales, should have been used to buy 1 or 2 3-4m players, not 4-5 1.5m players. Its not about spending more money, but about being wise as to how you spend what you have. The Board right now have lost their way, and if they dont sort this out soon, theyll be playing to crowds of the mid-1990s again very soon.
That is spot on. The sales of players does not worry me - most of them want to go in any case. What bothers me, like I said on the bunnet thread, is how the money is being spent. The last couple of years have been very, very wasteful and I imagine the club's wagebill doesn't have massive room for new additions because of it.
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herbert viola
12 Aug 2014, 05:42 PM
Belgrano
12 Aug 2014, 05:27 PM
Lawwell was on-record during his "roadshows" with Lennon that all profits from player sales would be reinvested in the playing squad. In the past 4 years he's sold McGeady, Ki, Hooper, Wanyama and Forster for a combined fee of £43.5m (when you take off the initial transfer fees paid, that's still well over £35m profit). Add 2 years worth of Champions League money to that, then it really is an absolute joke that our own "investments" in a playing squad - that clearly lacks quality and needs strengthening - is 3 loan deals and an unattached free transfer. The board are taking the piss.
its not as simple as that. you cant put those fees together and say we brought in X. the mcgeady money was used to re-shape an entire team, to buy Hooper, Wanyama, Forster.

That was a terrific piece of business. And the Board Lawwell etc should rightly be applauded for that.

Its what has been done since the fall of the huns that has been the huge problem. They are simply not spending money wisely. When Wanyama left, they should have used the money to purchase 2 really decent players, instead, they went out and used a scattergun approach to purchases. The quality all over the field has dropped dramatically, bar at centre back, and left and right back, from the Barcelona high of a few years ago. Its all well and good in trying a few random gamble purchases, but, our entire purchases for the last 18 months at least have been at that level. Lawwell promised when Petrov left that we would always try to have one or two really good quality players, and pay competitive wages. Thats bullshampoo. He now earns as much as our best players do. That is in and of itself a effing disgrace.

In Larsson's day, we had players who were own 5* as much as our Chief Execs were on.

The strategy of Celtic for the past 18 months or so has been ruinous - not in terms of allowing players to leave, but, in how they have changed their strategy in terms of what they bring in. The extra fees coming in, from CL and player sales, should have been used to buy 1 or 2 3-4m players, not 4-5 1.5m players. Its not about spending more money, but about being wise as to how you spend what you have. The Board right now have lost their way, and if they dont sort this out soon, theyll be playing to crowds of the mid-1990s again very soon.
Nobody is disputing they had to take the money for McGeady, Wanyama and Forster that's good business.

But the board have just been as culpable in letting players go as they have with the chronic lack of investment. Most teams have a cycle then they break it up due mainly due to an ageing side. Lawell has dismantled a side that hadn't even reached it's peak. Hooper went for an extra few grand. Ledley was a 6m player and went for buttons, Sammy allowed to go for feck all.

We're running of assets and we're going to be left with the shampoo team we have with a decrease in sponsorship and corporate supporters due to the boards refusal to invest in the side.

Ultimately the football product is what attracts sponsorship. Nike will tell us to do one next season.

Lawell is an effing disgrace.

We're going to win this appeal then get absolutely slaughtered by Maribor then it will be all this boards fault.
Edited by Kingslim, 12 Aug 2014, 06:01 PM.
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How did FB's mate get on with his corporate box, get a discount as we were out the CL at the time?
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Lawwell's statement of "all profits from player sales being reinvested in the playing squad" no longer applies. It's now more a case of all profits go back into the club; that's the reality of the situation.
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