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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,964 Views)
londontoglasgowCSC
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The deadline is Monday for the playoff games, Lawwell won't bring anyone in and he wasn't going to even if they had won on Wednesday.

Lawwell GTF
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Well done Aldo!

brilliantly put and nailed every point.

Still in a state of 'get-out-jail' high after this morning but all these things matter more than ever.

We have to put our club back in the right direction.

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Who was it that mentioned hospitality falling away? That was Celtic on the phone to my office there trying to punt a corporate ST. A great deal, apparently.
So, anyone call them back yet? :lol:
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We expect to have 1 (one) new signing in time for the first leg. Presumably that's one new signing for the tie in that case?

Sorry folks. We're oot again.
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6 or 7 years from now this could be the day we look back on that put us another couple of seasons ahead of the huns.

If we can get our finger out sign the players required, get past Maribor that’s another 15m in the bank. Wether we sell Van Dijk or Forster that’s still 15m more than the huns could even dream of at this moment.

As much as I hate bringing them into the conversation on threads like this. We have a very good chance of 15m, if the board pull their head out the balance sheet for 5 minutes we could invest wisely and turn not just this season around but also give us an even bigger leg up on that mob that could bring even more domestic success in years to come.
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7 Aug 2014, 10:35 PM
There is now a massive disconnect between us and The Board. It's been fermenting since WGS's time, when we went on at length here on KDS about how he wasn't getting the support to bring the kind of players he wanted and how apparent it was that signings were being made over his head (Riordan, Gravesen).

We were concerned that WGS's appointment in the first place was evidence of downsizing: with MON's 'life in the slow lane' comment still ringing in our ears, we replaced him with an out of work manager whose modest experience was with small clubs who would set out not to lose games, and we feared - with some justification, as it would turn out - he would be a Yes man. They then gave Tony Mowbray the job despite his not having a CV to warrant it, but who was also a compliant Yes man.

Lenny's appointment was more evidence of downsizing of ambition, whether we like to admit it or not. Lawwell knew this fine well, so much so they embarked on their roadshow, to persuade scunnered fans to renew season tickets by playing the emotional card. And Neil, too, for all his pride and fire, put too much faith his good relationships with Lawwell and Desmond, trusting them to do the right thing. For all the mistakes he made, they let him down. Allan Thomson, then Big Mjalby then Neil were forced out the door, and replaced with the young guy from a little club in a little league who only months before was approached to be his assistant; and pairing him with Lawwell's choice of assistant, the out of work John Collins. We have ample evidence of downsizing, alright, and I haven't mentioned them interviewing the out of work Mark McGhee before choosing Mowbray!

Dole birds without clubs to compensate or large salaries to better; compliant Yes Men who wouldn't take a stand against players being bought and sold against their will, and diminishing budgets; ex players who might put up with interference due to their emotional attachment to the club: we've had them all. Much glory and happy days was achieved, but not without pain. For all the great success he steered his teams to, WGS's tenure remains a bone of contention due to what became known on KDS as The Malaise, when the football was so poor and the mood so dark that season ticket holders couldn't summon up the enthusiasm to take the seats they had paid for. Much of Neil's reign was also grim stuff. These are the obvious gripes , but there is much more which adds to the disconnect.

I really don't know if the online tales are true, of Lawwell's eagerness to sell players due to being incentivised to increase turnover, or of his/John Park controlling the buying and selling players, but I do know the club has abandoned ambition and chosen to stay in 2nd gear since the huns death; exploiting the feel good factor, not to grow and celebrate all that is good about Celtic, but to take liberties with our dedication. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know The Board (I'm using this a catch-all term for those who run The Club) have not only failed to defend Celtic supporters against the wildy unjust Offensive Behaviour at Football Act and the actions of Focus, they have actively collaborated with them in the persecution of Celtic fans. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know they meekly rolled over and merely stated they were "disappointed" with the outcome of the LNS farce. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know they shamefully spiked the GB's food bank collection last year. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know they shamefully dismissed the Living Wage motion at the last AGM. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know they shamefully shower us with pathetically transparent platitudes that seek to tug on our heartstrings, emotional blackmail citing our wonderful heritage and historical bond with the club, in the absence of substantial commitment by them. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know £1m is an extraordinarily high salary for a CEO of a medium sized enterprise with a turnover that will seldom, if ever, exceed £75-£80m. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know I and many more supporters are sickened at the apparent willingness to ignore a catalogue of anti social and unprofessional transgressions by some players, while hounding out model pro's like Ledley and Samaras. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know that many, many supporters are embarrassed at the Board's apparent willingness to whore the team out to any shi tty little friendly that will generate...well, how much, exactly? Was that Spurs drubbing in Finland really worth it, during CL qualifiers? Or the subsequent, justified criticism by the organisers of the club for the team of kids. That adds to the disconnect.

There is so much more wrong than just an early, embarrassing CL exit. I've never felt more alienated, more disconnected from those who run - and many who play for - our club. And the final insult may yet arise: we have grave reservations about the club's apparent inactivity in pursuing justice over the huns' & SFA's decades of cheating. Lawwell temporarily placated those guys at the last AGM with a promise that he was indeed on the case of the SFA granting the huns a euro licence whilst owing taxes, and that passing the motion would set a course of action in place that would jeopardise his investigations. I don't know what timescale he is working to, but that's nearly a year. Surely the time is nearing for him to reveal either what action he is going to take, or to give the guys the nod to raise the motion again this year. There are some pretty serious folk behind that motion: if he's trying to pull the wool over their eyes and attempting a fudge, they'll suss him out. And that must, surely, be the last straw?
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Hope someone at Celtic reads this. The living wage issue stands out as one of the most shameful.
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Someone posted this classic on twitter

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/pub-en-617902cd9243b4ec41729af4187d39d8.html
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Board may not have invested in the playing team but the money they've invested in the legal team has paid dividends. As bang for buck goes, you'll struggle to do better.

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They have a slim chance to right some of the wrongs by releasing some serious cash to allow our team to progress in the CL :snigger:

Anything less would be confirmation (not that we really need it) that they are NOT interested in CL progression.
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It will be interesting to see what the board does now.
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We must have a list of potential signings so there won't be any excuse not to bring in new players.
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Ess
8 Aug 2014, 01:41 PM
It will be interesting to see what the board does now.
I'm going to stick my neck out here and say... very little.
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Everybody who has any contact with those in contact with the board had better get the message across, that inactivity and bullsheet will no longer be tolerated and that they run the rick of becoming personna non grata with the real Celtic family.
Aldo has encapsulated many of their shortcomings and capers well.
The fans are taking their gloves off to protect the club's future, and are willing to do so in public now rather than in-house. Once bitten twice shy. Peter Lawell is seen as the £1m salaried CEO of Celtic who has presided over maintaining the Club's financial reputation over the club's footballing reputation. He is seen as the man who let Focus and new legislation turn their guns on the young politicised Celtic support rather than admit that there was a predominately Scotland wide residual anti Irish Catholic bigotry problem needing addressing. Instead he assisted the unfair actions of Focus on Celtic fans, never publicly condemning or even questioning obvious injustices.
All the above are side issues to his main job description, maintaining and improving the health of Celtic football club PLC. He has'nt brought in any new or improved sponsorship deals, he has'nt increased ticket sales, he has'nt nurtured the Celtic brand, in fact he has overseen the exact opposite of these three preceding desirables for a CEO.
Celtic are first and foremost a football club, and a PLC second to support the football club activities, unless the board are willing to come our publicly and admit that the PLC is only there to make profit for shareholders, and to feather the pockets of office bearers.
Peter Lawell has lost sight of what policies are required to ensure the survival of Celtic and it's PLC, if Dermot Desmond does'nt realise that fact, he needs to be wakened up. Everybody and anybody in the fanbase should be trying to get that point over and a policy turnaround started. This is pretty crucial, we have a wee second bite at the cherry, and should try to take advantage and make a fresh start.
Edited by Wee Red, 8 Aug 2014, 02:36 PM.
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8 Aug 2014, 02:04 PM
Ess
8 Aug 2014, 01:41 PM
It will be interesting to see what the board does now.
I'm going to stick my neck out here and say... very little.
Most likely
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8 Aug 2014, 02:04 PM
Ess
8 Aug 2014, 01:41 PM
It will be interesting to see what the board does now.
I'm going to stick my neck out here and say... very little.
Sign some token diddy who costs not a penny more than the gate receipts of the Maribor home tie that has unexpectedly fallen in their laps. If we're lucky. More Micawberish short-termism and managed decline.

Typically great work from Aldo there on the Malcontents' Manifesto. :theclap:
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Great post aldo! :thumbsup:

Can't argue with too much with what's been said there. What's the stuff about the board spiking the GB's food bank stuff, though? And references to the number of cheap, out-of-work appointments is just emphasized more when you consider we paid £3m compensation for that dud Mowbray (who's most recent CV entry was finishing rock-bottom of the Premier League the previous season with WBA) making it all the more bizarre that we wouldn't give the necessary promises of financial-backing to much more worthy managerial alternatives.

The stuff with paying the living wage, or defending supporter's against the universally accepted unjust Offensive Behaviour at Football Act also seem like complete "quick wins", no-brainer decisions to currying favour with the support, and most importantly for the board - represent quick, cheap, low cost steps that they could easily take to get some of us back onside.
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The board have been given a chance to avoid a mutiny, if they eff this up then I really don't know.
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7 Aug 2014, 10:35 PM
There is now a massive disconnect between us and The Board. It's been fermenting since WGS's time, when we went on at length here on KDS about how he wasn't getting the support to bring the kind of players he wanted and how apparent it was that signings were being made over his head (Riordan, Gravesen).

We were concerned that WGS's appointment in the first place was evidence of downsizing: with MON's 'life in the slow lane' comment still ringing in our ears, we replaced him with an out of work manager whose modest experience was with small clubs who would set out not to lose games, and we feared - with some justification, as it would turn out - he would be a Yes man. They then gave Tony Mowbray the job despite his not having a CV to warrant it, but who was also a compliant Yes man.

Lenny's appointment was more evidence of downsizing of ambition, whether we like to admit it or not. Lawwell knew this fine well, so much so they embarked on their roadshow, to persuade scunnered fans to renew season tickets by playing the emotional card. And Neil, too, for all his pride and fire, put too much faith his good relationships with Lawwell and Desmond, trusting them to do the right thing. For all the mistakes he made, they let him down. Allan Thomson, then Big Mjalby then Neil were forced out the door, and replaced with the young guy from a little club in a little league who only months before was approached to be his assistant; and pairing him with Lawwell's choice of assistant, the out of work John Collins. We have ample evidence of downsizing, alright, and I haven't mentioned them interviewing the out of work Mark McGhee before choosing Mowbray!

Dole birds without clubs to compensate or large salaries to better; compliant Yes Men who wouldn't take a stand against players being bought and sold against their will, and diminishing budgets; ex players who might put up with interference due to their emotional attachment to the club: we've had them all. Much glory and happy days was achieved, but not without pain. For all the great success he steered his teams to, WGS's tenure remains a bone of contention due to what became known on KDS as The Malaise, when the football was so poor and the mood so dark that season ticket holders couldn't summon up the enthusiasm to take the seats they had paid for. Much of Neil's reign was also grim stuff. These are the obvious gripes , but there is much more which adds to the disconnect.

I really don't know if the online tales are true, of Lawwell's eagerness to sell players due to being incentivised to increase turnover, or of his/John Park controlling the buying and selling players, but I do know the club has abandoned ambition and chosen to stay in 2nd gear since the huns death; exploiting the feel good factor, not to grow and celebrate all that is good about Celtic, but to take liberties with our dedication. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know The Board (I'm using this a catch-all term for those who run The Club) have not only failed to defend Celtic supporters against the wildy unjust Offensive Behaviour at Football Act and the actions of Focus, they have actively collaborated with them in the persecution of Celtic fans. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know they meekly rolled over and merely stated they were "disappointed" with the outcome of the LNS farce. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know they shamefully spiked the GB's food bank collection last year. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know they shamefully dismissed the Living Wage motion at the last AGM. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know they shamefully shower us with pathetically transparent platitudes that seek to tug on our heartstrings, emotional blackmail citing our wonderful heritage and historical bond with the club, in the absence of substantial commitment by them. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know £1m is an extraordinarily high salary for a CEO of a medium sized enterprise with a turnover that will seldom, if ever, exceed £75-£80m. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know I and many more supporters are sickened at the apparent willingness to ignore a catalogue of anti social and unprofessional transgressions by some players, while hounding out model pro's like Ledley and Samaras. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know that many, many supporters are embarrassed at the Board's apparent willingness to whore the team out to any shi tty little friendly that will generate...well, how much, exactly? Was that Spurs drubbing in Finland really worth it, during CL qualifiers? Or the subsequent, justified criticism by the organisers of the club for the team of kids. That adds to the disconnect.

There is so much more wrong than just an early, embarrassing CL exit. I've never felt more alienated, more disconnected from those who run - and many who play for - our club. And the final insult may yet arise: we have grave reservations about the club's apparent inactivity in pursuing justice over the huns' & SFA's decades of cheating. Lawwell temporarily placated those guys at the last AGM with a promise that he was indeed on the case of the SFA granting the huns a euro licence whilst owing taxes, and that passing the motion would set a course of action in place that would jeopardise his investigations. I don't know what timescale he is working to, but that's nearly a year. Surely the time is nearing for him to reveal either what action he is going to take, or to give the guys the nod to raise the motion again this year. There are some pretty serious folk behind that motion: if he's trying to pull the wool over their eyes and attempting a fudge, they'll suss him out. And that must, surely, be the last straw?
:thumbsup: Sums things up perfectly. I'll be very surprised if the Board changes the way they do business anytime soon. :cry:
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8 Aug 2014, 03:59 PM
aldo
7 Aug 2014, 10:35 PM
There is now a massive disconnect between us and The Board. It's been fermenting since WGS's time, when we went on at length here on KDS about how he wasn't getting the support to bring the kind of players he wanted and how apparent it was that signings were being made over his head (Riordan, Gravesen).

We were concerned that WGS's appointment in the first place was evidence of downsizing: with MON's 'life in the slow lane' comment still ringing in our ears, we replaced him with an out of work manager whose modest experience was with small clubs who would set out not to lose games, and we feared - with some justification, as it would turn out - he would be a Yes man. They then gave Tony Mowbray the job despite his not having a CV to warrant it, but who was also a compliant Yes man.

Lenny's appointment was more evidence of downsizing of ambition, whether we like to admit it or not. Lawwell knew this fine well, so much so they embarked on their roadshow, to persuade scunnered fans to renew season tickets by playing the emotional card. And Neil, too, for all his pride and fire, put too much faith his good relationships with Lawwell and Desmond, trusting them to do the right thing. For all the mistakes he made, they let him down. Allan Thomson, then Big Mjalby then Neil were forced out the door, and replaced with the young guy from a little club in a little league who only months before was approached to be his assistant; and pairing him with Lawwell's choice of assistant, the out of work John Collins. We have ample evidence of downsizing, alright, and I haven't mentioned them interviewing the out of work Mark McGhee before choosing Mowbray!

Dole birds without clubs to compensate or large salaries to better; compliant Yes Men who wouldn't take a stand against players being bought and sold against their will, and diminishing budgets; ex players who might put up with interference due to their emotional attachment to the club: we've had them all. Much glory and happy days was achieved, but not without pain. For all the great success he steered his teams to, WGS's tenure remains a bone of contention due to what became known on KDS as The Malaise, when the football was so poor and the mood so dark that season ticket holders couldn't summon up the enthusiasm to take the seats they had paid for. Much of Neil's reign was also grim stuff. These are the obvious gripes , but there is much more which adds to the disconnect.

I really don't know if the online tales are true, of Lawwell's eagerness to sell players due to being incentivised to increase turnover, or of his/John Park controlling the buying and selling players, but I do know the club has abandoned ambition and chosen to stay in 2nd gear since the huns death; exploiting the feel good factor, not to grow and celebrate all that is good about Celtic, but to take liberties with our dedication. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know The Board (I'm using this a catch-all term for those who run The Club) have not only failed to defend Celtic supporters against the wildy unjust Offensive Behaviour at Football Act and the actions of Focus, they have actively collaborated with them in the persecution of Celtic fans. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know they meekly rolled over and merely stated they were "disappointed" with the outcome of the LNS farce. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know they shamefully spiked the GB's food bank collection last year. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know they shamefully dismissed the Living Wage motion at the last AGM. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know they shamefully shower us with pathetically transparent platitudes that seek to tug on our heartstrings, emotional blackmail citing our wonderful heritage and historical bond with the club, in the absence of substantial commitment by them. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know £1m is an extraordinarily high salary for a CEO of a medium sized enterprise with a turnover that will seldom, if ever, exceed £75-£80m. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know I and many more supporters are sickened at the apparent willingness to ignore a catalogue of anti social and unprofessional transgressions by some players, while hounding out model pro's like Ledley and Samaras. That adds to the disconnect.

I do know that many, many supporters are embarrassed at the Board's apparent willingness to whore the team out to any shi tty little friendly that will generate...well, how much, exactly? Was that Spurs drubbing in Finland really worth it, during CL qualifiers? Or the subsequent, justified criticism by the organisers of the club for the team of kids. That adds to the disconnect.

There is so much more wrong than just an early, embarrassing CL exit. I've never felt more alienated, more disconnected from those who run - and many who play for - our club. And the final insult may yet arise: we have grave reservations about the club's apparent inactivity in pursuing justice over the huns' & SFA's decades of cheating. Lawwell temporarily placated those guys at the last AGM with a promise that he was indeed on the case of the SFA granting the huns a euro licence whilst owing taxes, and that passing the motion would set a course of action in place that would jeopardise his investigations. I don't know what timescale he is working to, but that's nearly a year. Surely the time is nearing for him to reveal either what action he is going to take, or to give the guys the nod to raise the motion again this year. There are some pretty serious folk behind that motion: if he's trying to pull the wool over their eyes and attempting a fudge, they'll suss him out. And that must, surely, be the last straw?
:thumbsup: Sums things up perfectly. I'll be very surprised if the Board changes the way they do business anytime soon. :cry:
If that is the case Maribor will beat us and beat us bad
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I'd still expect us to get beaten off of Maribor (the performance against Legia suggests we're well short of the quality needed to qualify) but what this does is guarantee us Europa League group stage football, whereas if the Legia score had stood, there's also the strong possibility we'd have lost the Europa League qualifier and not progressed in Europe at all.

It's the most massive get-out-of-jail card the board could have got. You'd hope they'd grasp it with both hands, and revise their current policy realising that it simply isn't working. But I fear the eventual outcome of us getting through to the next round (regardless of the means) will act as some sort of bizarre justification that their current policy is working just fine.
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