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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,412 Views)
greenjedi
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I doubt the players made it training during the really bad weather
Why not ? There were folk ferrying NHS staff and carers around in their big 4x4's during the bad weather I'm positive the players can afford one of them 4x4's too.
My sister works in Lennoxtown, it was pretty well cut off
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Why not ? There were folk ferrying NHS staff and carers around in their big 4x4's during the bad weather I'm positive the players can afford one of them 4x4's too.
My sister works in Lennoxtown, it was pretty well cut off
:thumbsup: There's not many decent roads to it TBF, still think a 4x4 would have coped. Then again without the full size indoor pitch why would they even try ? ;)

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12 Apr 2018, 06:24 PM
The cry was non disclosure. 😎 From CQN


Auldheid on 12th April 2018 3:40 pm


The Battered Bunnet on 12th April 2018 2:14 pm



Speaking of the insignificance of Rangers’ failure to register second contracts, here’s a short postscript to the LNS Commission, based on recently received original SPL Rules applying at the time: https://someoldhat.wordpress.com/2018/04/12/nimmo-smith-a-postscript/

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Very interesting and further reason why LNS Decision has to be set aside and not allowed to be a post script.



What might be delaying the SFA Compliance Officer completing his work is his finding that Rangers aversion to providing the SFA with information when it is clearly required by the rules, thus constituting a clear rule breach, has serious consequences concerning the fact finding phase of the LNS Commission itself.


Your findings on the consequences of not following up an electronic submission with the paper work challenge the terms of reference of the LNS Commission (and perhaps the Bryson interpretation?)


So too will the DELIBERATE non disclosure in May 2011 by RFC of an HMRC letter that enabled the SFA to submit later in May without questioning, a list of licences granted to UEFA that included RFC.


Given that the May 2011 HMRC letter refers to the De Boer side letter of 30 August, it would seem that neither the De Boer August side letter, nor the May HMRC letter were submitted to the SPL Lawyers Harper Macleod as a result of their letter dated 15 March 2012 to Duff and Phelps, as it was the date of the earliest side letter (23 Nov 2000 for Flo) that determined the dates LNS would cover.


This omission by Duff and Phelps is curious given that in a Points of Claim No 2003 of 2012 made on 1st March 2012, Duff and Phelps appear to be well acquainted with both side letters and the background to the HMRC pursuit of £2.8m overdue tax including when liability was accepted. (The same Duff and Phelps who are suing Police Scotland btw)


It is impossible not to conclude the LNS Commission was “knobbled” from the start and non disclosure when disclosure is absolutely required by the rules played a significant part in misleading the ToRs of Commission (apart from the consequences of the Supreme Court Decision on the lawfulness of ebts that would allow all clubs to use them).


in a court of law a retrial would be what natural justice demands, yet Scottish football seems to think it can operate outside of the law even where fraud has happened.


Deliberate non-disclosure and fraud - strong stuff indeed.

Do you read this as merely opinion or do you know enough behind the scenes to say this has weight?
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12 Apr 2018, 06:24 PM
The cry was non disclosure. 😎 From CQN


Auldheid on 12th April 2018 3:40 pm


The Battered Bunnet on 12th April 2018 2:14 pm



Speaking of the insignificance of Rangers’ failure to register second contracts, here’s a short postscript to the LNS Commission, based on recently received original SPL Rules applying at the time: https://someoldhat.wordpress.com/2018/04/12/nimmo-smith-a-postscript/

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Very interesting and further reason why LNS Decision has to be set aside and not allowed to be a post script.



What might be delaying the SFA Compliance Officer completing his work is his finding that Rangers aversion to providing the SFA with information when it is clearly required by the rules, thus constituting a clear rule breach, has serious consequences concerning the fact finding phase of the LNS Commission itself.


Your findings on the consequences of not following up an electronic submission with the paper work challenge the terms of reference of the LNS Commission (and perhaps the Bryson interpretation?)


So too will the DELIBERATE non disclosure in May 2011 by RFC of an HMRC letter that enabled the SFA to submit later in May without questioning, a list of licences granted to UEFA that included RFC.


Given that the May 2011 HMRC letter refers to the De Boer side letter of 30 August, it would seem that neither the De Boer August side letter, nor the May HMRC letter were submitted to the SPL Lawyers Harper Macleod as a result of their letter dated 15 March 2012 to Duff and Phelps, as it was the date of the earliest side letter (23 Nov 2000 for Flo) that determined the dates LNS would cover.


This omission by Duff and Phelps is curious given that in a Points of Claim No 2003 of 2012 made on 1st March 2012, Duff and Phelps appear to be well acquainted with both side letters and the background to the HMRC pursuit of £2.8m overdue tax including when liability was accepted. (The same Duff and Phelps who are suing Police Scotland btw)


It is impossible not to conclude the LNS Commission was “knobbled” from the start and non disclosure when disclosure is absolutely required by the rules played a significant part in misleading the ToRs of Commission (apart from the consequences of the Supreme Court Decision on the lawfulness of ebts that would allow all clubs to use them).


in a court of law a retrial would be what natural justice demands, yet Scottish football seems to think it can operate outside of the law even where fraud has happened.


Deliberate non-disclosure and fraud - strong stuff indeed.

Do you read this as merely opinion or do you know enough behind the scenes to say this has weight?
Unless the Comp Off comes up with an unknown document that changes the narrative, it has documentary weight.

It's not new, it has just taken since 2013 for the narrative and it's consequences to be more widely appreciated.

The SFA played their part in keeping the lid on from 2014.
Edited by Auldyin, 12 Apr 2018, 09:21 PM.
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12 Apr 2018, 09:19 PM
Unless the Comp Off comes up with an unknown document that changes the narrative, it has documentary weight.

It's not new, it has just taken since 2013 for the narrative and it's consequences to be more widely appreciated.

The SFA played their part in keeping the lid on from 2014.
Thanks Auldyin

I think we 'know' the SFA have gerrymandered this - my long time hope is that this can proved so.
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12 Apr 2018, 09:19 PM
Unless the Comp Off comes up with an unknown document that changes the narrative, it has documentary weight.

It's not new, it has just taken since 2013 for the narrative and it's consequences to be more widely appreciated.

The SFA played their part in keeping the lid on from 2014.
Thanks Auldyin

I think we 'know' the SFA have gerrymandered this - my long time hope is that this can proved so.
There are 3 possibilities.

RFC kept SFA in the dark on the true nature of wtc liability and obtained a licence fraudulently by doing so and also misled the SFA and SPL at the SPL fact finding stage in March to summer 2012 on the use of side letters.

The SFA learned about the true nature of the wtc liability after May 2011 but before mid March 2012 but kept it from the SPL

They all knew before March 2012 about the true nature of the wtc liability which HMRC described as fraudulent or negligent and why and kept it out of the LNS ToRs.

Interestingly in Feb 2012 Regan and LNS met to discuss ToRs of the Judicial Review into Craig Whyte. One of the charges was failure to pay VAT/PAYE but NOT the wtc liability.

On what basis that decision was reached should be put to Regan and LNS by the Comp Off.
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12 Apr 2018, 09:46 PM
Auldyin
12 Apr 2018, 09:19 PM
Unless the Comp Off comes up with an unknown document that changes the narrative, it has documentary weight.

It's not new, it has just taken since 2013 for the narrative and it's consequences to be more widely appreciated.

The SFA played their part in keeping the lid on from 2014.
Thanks Auldyin

I think we 'know' the SFA have gerrymandered this - my long time hope is that this can proved so.
There are 3 possibilities.

RFC kept SFA in the dark on the true nature of wtc liability and obtained a licence fraudulently by doing so and also misled the SFA and SPL at the SPL fact finding stage in March to summer 2012 on the use of side letters.

The SFA learned about the true nature of the wtc liability after May 2011 but before mid March 2012 but kept it from the SPL

They all knew before March 2012 about the true nature of the wtc liability which HMRC described as fraudulent or negligent and why and kept it out of the LNS ToRs.

Interestingly in Feb 2012 Regan and LNS met to discuss ToRs of the Judicial Review into Craig Whyte. One of the charges was failure to pay VAT/PAYE but NOT the wtc liability.

On what basis that decision was reached should be put to Regan and LNS by the Comp Off.
There may be three possibilities, but one overwhelming probability imo.

Thanks Auldyin.
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Swiss Ramble has just tweeted the CL TV cash distribution. We get €32m.
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17 Apr 2018, 08:56 AM
Swiss Ramble has just tweeted the CL TV cash distribution. We get €32m.
'kinell! :rubeyes:
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Swiss Ramble has just tweeted the CL TV cash distribution. We get €32m.
'kinell! :rubeyes:
How much in total did we make then from CL & EL this season?
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Swiss Ramble has just tweeted the CL TV cash distribution. We get €32m.
£27.6m of your British pounds
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17 Apr 2018, 08:56 AM
Swiss Ramble has just tweeted the CL TV cash distribution. We get €32m.
'kinell! :rubeyes:
How much in total did we make then from CL & EL this season?
If that's correct you can probably add another £10m in gate receipts for the 4 home ties?

God knows what they make on food and merchandise on 200,000 plus fans.

Obviously there will be some large outgoings but the club will be raking it in. :)
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17 Apr 2018, 08:56 AM
Swiss Ramble has just tweeted the CL TV cash distribution. We get €32m.
Imagine if we were good.
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So good - yet demonstrates how insignificant the Scottish league is in term of both sales and management when we only get £3.2M (not to be sniffed at I know, but...)
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17 Apr 2018, 06:02 PM
So good - yet demonstrates how insignificant the Scottish league is in term of both sales and management when we only get £3.2M (not to be sniffed at I know, but...)
:ponder:
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Auldyin
12 Apr 2018, 09:19 PM
Unless the Comp Off comes up with an unknown document that changes the narrative, it has documentary weight.

It's not new, it has just taken since 2013 for the narrative and it's consequences to be more widely appreciated.

The SFA played their part in keeping the lid on from 2014.
Thanks Auldyin

I think we 'know' the SFA have gerrymandered this - my long time hope is that this can proved so.
There are 3 possibilities.

RFC kept SFA in the dark on the true nature of wtc liability and obtained a licence fraudulently by doing so and also misled the SFA and SPL at the SPL fact finding stage in March to summer 2012 on the use of side letters.

The SFA learned about the true nature of the wtc liability after May 2011 but before mid March 2012 but kept it from the SPL

They all knew before March 2012 about the true nature of the wtc liability which HMRC described as fraudulent or negligent and why and kept it out of the LNS ToRs.

Interestingly in Feb 2012 Regan and LNS met to discuss ToRs of the Judicial Review into Craig Whyte. One of the charges was failure to pay VAT/PAYE but NOT the wtc liability.

On what basis that decision was reached should be put to Regan and LNS by the Comp Off.
What's your view Auldyin?

Surely any information RFC withheld from the SFA invalidates the infamous 5-way agreement

Anything other than that shows collusion between the governing bodies and RFC - no?
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So good - yet demonstrates how insignificant the Scottish league is in term of both sales and management when we only get £3.2M (not to be sniffed at I know, but...)
:ponder:
Mixing prize money with TV money I admit - but all I wanted to point out was how little a reward we get for winning a league
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So good - yet demonstrates how insignificant the Scottish league is in term of both sales and management when we only get £3.2M (not to be sniffed at I know, but...)
:ponder:
Mixing prize money with TV money I admit - but all I wanted to point out was how little a reward we get for winning a league
The CL money includes the prize money. It’s not just the TV element.
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Mixing prize money with TV money I admit - but all I wanted to point out was how little a reward we get for winning a league
The CL money includes the prize money. It’s not just the TV element.
OK - mibbe I shouldn't take the idyllwild post at face value but it doesn't change the (often discussed) position of how little worth Scottish football has.
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The CL money includes the prize money. It’s not just the TV element.
OK - mibbe I shouldn't take the idyllwild post at face value but it doesn't change the (often discussed) position of how little worth Scottish football has.
You do realise that says 32 million ( thirty two) , not 3.2million?
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