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| The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM | |
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| Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,418 Views) | |
| Hairytoes | 9 Dec 2017, 11:46 PM Post #12061 |
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Additionally the SFA had dealings with SFA in Sept 2011 on the monitoring submission of June 2011 and the outcome of that - verbal acceptance of the submission can mean only three things. Sorry, I'm not getting this bit.. |
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| Fearghas | 10 Dec 2017, 12:01 AM Post #12062 |
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fair play to you auldyin for your energy and commitment. the battle may have been won but the war is far from over.
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| Dubz | 10 Dec 2017, 01:41 AM Post #12063 |
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Getting on a bit
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SFA had dealings with UEFA... |
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| Hairytoes | 10 Dec 2017, 08:20 AM Post #12064 |
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I suspected it might be that.. |
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| tomtheleedstim | 10 Dec 2017, 09:08 AM Post #12065 |
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Is there anything to stop a Celtic shareholder, just one of us, suing the SFA for being complicit in a loss of value, a material loss of income? |
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| mvtommy | 10 Dec 2017, 09:45 AM Post #12066 |
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First team training
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Many thanks for all the work you guys have put into this. It's much appreciated
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| Timdom come | 10 Dec 2017, 11:38 AM Post #12067 |
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Older than dirt
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Keep it going Auldyin. You and others involved in this, deserve so much more credit than we can give you on here... |
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| Auldyin | 10 Dec 2017, 05:35 PM Post #12068 |
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Considering retirement
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The SFA chap half funded by UEFA to see new FFP properly implemented got verbal acceptance in mid Sept 2011 from UEFA of the submission RFC made under Article 66 of FFP in June 2011. That according to an e mail said "shown as status postponed". The status wasn't postponed and this was after Sherriff Officers called in August so UEFA would know there was reason to question. So what we're they told? See the options. The tone of SFA e mail to RFC is to steer them through the questions under Article 67 requiring another Submission at end of September. That submission not only continued the idea the bill was not overdue it made a claim of payment of £500k towards it that had not been made. This is why Res12 asked to look at the whole process in 2011 because at the time the SFA's role in June and Sept was highly questionable based on the foregoing. Since then however reason arose to question the granting in March 2011 based on a CAS ruling in an almost identical case. In brief the arrival of the actual bill is not necessary for tax owed before 31 Dec to be overdue. Accepting the liability before 31 March did that according to UEFA & confirmed by CAS. It is the acceptance of the liability that governs that and the CW trial made public what Res12 lawyer had told SFA in July 2015 so SFA HAD to investigate and Celtic were well aware of all this from Dec 2016, but we're advised to wait until CW trial out of the way so the info could be used without prejudice. |
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| Auldyin | 10 Dec 2017, 05:42 PM Post #12069 |
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Considering retirement
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I'm not sure of that but someone from Grant Thornton who described the liability as potential when it wasn't and RFC whose Chairman A Johnston repeated that position in his statement on Interim Accounts and possibly SFA for ether negligence or covering up a fraud are all in the frame. That avenue might be the court of last resort if the SFA don't give a clear, honest and accurate explanation and the appetite is there. |
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| Auldyin | 10 Dec 2017, 05:45 PM Post #12070 |
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Considering retirement
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It explains Celtic's reluctance to pass Res12. UEFA might have warned them off. After all RFC had just driven a horse and cart through UEFA's shiny new enhanced FFP in its first year. The whole system is based on trust leaving it wide open to chancers. Edited by Auldyin, 10 Dec 2017, 05:45 PM.
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| Hairytoes | 10 Dec 2017, 05:57 PM Post #12071 |
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Great work from auld heid & others, I am pretty much in awe of such persistent high quality work in the face of so many obstacles. You deserve some kind of official fans recognition. Truly amazing. |
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| Auldyin | 10 Dec 2017, 06:07 PM Post #12072 |
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Considering retirement
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Thanks for the posts of appreciation to everyone and thanks to those who have helped make things happen. The over riding point here is one of principle. The preservation of the integrity that football depends on to make it a sport. I can understand that a balance between commercial considerations and integrity was part of the dynamic in the 5 Way , but perhaps a price needs to be placed on the cost of loss of integrity and that price needs to be borne by those making the balancing decision. In short if those making decisions knew there would be a price they or their organisation would have to pay and the means of extracting it existed, would the same weight be given to integrity? Everything has its price eventually, but if it's on display initially it might just influence those who know they will have to pay it. |
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| Auldyin | 15 Dec 2017, 07:37 PM Post #12073 |
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Considering retirement
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Evening KDS I know the subject matter is of little or no interest to some but it does no harm to appreciate the factors that have left a number of supporters unhappy at events since 2011. One more layer has been peeled away on the Genesis of LNS and why Rangers were never charged with dishonesty (or cheating in the vernacular) so the article at http://celticunderground.net/the-lasting-damage-to-the-integrity-of-scottish-football/ if it does nothing else, sets an alternative narrative to the commissioning of LNS which you can refer your bluenose pals to when they claim they did nothing wrong based on LNS. |
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| BombJack | 15 Dec 2017, 09:25 PM Post #12074 |
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He twists, he turns, Tommy Burns...
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It's a very interesting piece Auldyin. So they had 6 months to get a game plan together? Incredible. And even more so that the media doesn't want to look into this. Well it's not incredible really - they are clearly part of the problem. Where does this go from now? What sort of timescales are we looking at for a response from the compliance officer (as if he's going to produce anything remotely controversial)? |
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| Auldyin | 15 Dec 2017, 11:57 PM Post #12075 |
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Considering retirement
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It looks like it will be in the New Year. The delay might be an indication of how difficult the task is of avoiding contoversy and retaining his own personal credibility. It's not as if he has a blank canvas to easily whitewash. Might take a number of coats. |
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| Smiley | 22 Dec 2017, 12:20 PM Post #12076 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/944151067591364608 Swiss Ramble has a brief look at our finances. |
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| ronny_is_not_da_man | 22 Dec 2017, 12:24 PM Post #12077 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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Stop him before he finds out how much we owe the CO-OP bank
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| Bodom Bhoy | 22 Dec 2017, 12:26 PM Post #12078 |
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Celtic’s profit after tax of £6.9m is the largest in Scotland, followed by Hearts £2.3m. Most clubs break-even (or make small losses), though the exception is Rangers with a £6.7m loss <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CelticFC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CelticFC</a> <a href="https://t.co/gGesyoi4Z8">pic.twitter.com/gGesyoi4Z8</a></p>— Swiss Ramble (@SwissRamble) <a href="https://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/944151117465833472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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| CeltFromTheHills | 22 Dec 2017, 04:44 PM Post #12079 |
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First-team starter
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What jumped out at me in surprise, in the last ten years net spend on players has been £9M. |
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| dazabhoy67 | 22 Dec 2017, 04:52 PM Post #12080 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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Can anyone post the article as I'm work and the twitter link won't work. |
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