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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,421 Views)
Peco
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Auldyin
15 Nov 2017, 09:36 PM
van Doesburg
15 Nov 2017, 08:53 PM
Thanks for the update, Auldyin.

Has any timeframe been set for the SFA Compliance Officer's review of the issues around the UEFA licensing procedures in season 2011/2012?
That was a follow up question from the floor and the answer was no.

The investigation is an extremely serious one in that the licence was granted on the basis that the liability was potential with ongoing discussions. Regan himself used other excuses that are based on that original justification, not crystalised, in dispute etc so it is the SFA on trial as much as Rangers oldco.


Celtic cannot be seen to be interfering in this process for obvious reasons and due to the complexity and amount of material to be worked through I can see why a report is not ready yet but that cannot go on forever and given Celtic's keen interest in the response I cannot see them letting matters drift too far without them losing credibility.
Surprised that they didn’t insist on checkpoints on progress, even if held privately. An open-ended deadline on the report compilation serves only one side’s interest.
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Peco
15 Nov 2017, 09:50 PM
Auldyin
15 Nov 2017, 09:36 PM
van Doesburg
15 Nov 2017, 08:53 PM
Thanks for the update, Auldyin.

Has any timeframe been set for the SFA Compliance Officer's review of the issues around the UEFA licensing procedures in season 2011/2012?
That was a follow up question from the floor and the answer was no.

The investigation is an extremely serious one in that the licence was granted on the basis that the liability was potential with ongoing discussions. Regan himself used other excuses that are based on that original justification, not crystalised, in dispute etc so it is the SFA on trial as much as Rangers oldco.


Celtic cannot be seen to be interfering in this process for obvious reasons and due to the complexity and amount of material to be worked through I can see why a report is not ready yet but that cannot go on forever and given Celtic's keen interest in the response I cannot see them letting matters drift too far without them losing credibility.
Surprised that they didn’t insist on checkpoints on progress, even if held privately. An open-ended deadline on the report compilation serves only one side’s interest.
As an ex project manager I like deadlines but are Celtic in a position to set them?

There are processes and Celtic are bound by them.
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Auldyin
15 Nov 2017, 09:54 PM
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15 Nov 2017, 09:50 PM
Auldyin
15 Nov 2017, 09:36 PM

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Surprised that they didn’t insist on checkpoints on progress, even if held privately. An open-ended deadline on the report compilation serves only one side’s interest.
As an ex project manager I like deadlines but are Celtic in a position to set them?

There are processes and Celtic are bound by them.
Thanks again. Really appreciate your work on all this. It's very important.
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15 Nov 2017, 10:05 PM
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15 Nov 2017, 09:54 PM
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15 Nov 2017, 09:50 PM

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As an ex project manager I like deadlines but are Celtic in a position to set them?

There are processes and Celtic are bound by them.
Thanks again. Really appreciate your work on all this. It's very important.
X 2 - cheers Auldyin :thumbsup:
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Auldyin
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15 Nov 2017, 09:36 PM

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Surprised that they didn’t insist on checkpoints on progress, even if held privately. An open-ended deadline on the report compilation serves only one side’s interest.
As an ex project manager I like deadlines but are Celtic in a position to set them?

There are processes and Celtic are bound by them.
Not set them but mutually agree them, in the interests of standard governance. I think you can probably guess my background.
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Peco
15 Nov 2017, 10:13 PM
Auldyin
15 Nov 2017, 09:54 PM
Peco
15 Nov 2017, 09:50 PM

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As an ex project manager I like deadlines but are Celtic in a position to set them?

There are processes and Celtic are bound by them.
Not set them but mutually agree them, in the interests of standard governance. I think you can probably guess my background.
Yup and one of the aims of Res12 is to introduce standard governance processes to football.
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Auldyin,

Many, many thanks for your efforts on behalf of all Celtic fans. :worthy:

One Q: Any significance in the the phrases "keen interest" and "promote and protect" from today's Celtic statement, or am I reading too much into it?
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fair play to you auldyin for all the work you do and the time you put into this. :clap: :potm:
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A post from TSFM about the Hibs Boards decision on review as relayed by fans rep.

https://www.sfm.scot/enough-is-enough/?cid=162915

Note reference to confidential info.

Note reference to forthcoming publication of Q&A on the subject.
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16 Nov 2017, 12:26 AM
A post from TSFM about the Hibs Boards decision on review as relayed by fans rep.

https://www.sfm.scot/enough-is-enough/?cid=162915

Note reference to confidential info.

Note reference to forthcoming publication of Q&A on the subject.
Amazingly another ‘confidential / sensitive information’ pish trotted out.
It’s like we can’t be trusted with the truth, so we have to just accept this..
Patronising patter like that just makes people more hungry for the truth imo


It’s effing balls tbh
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Auldyin
15 Nov 2017, 10:31 PM
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Not set them but mutually agree them, in the interests of standard governance. I think you can probably guess my background.
Yup and one of the aims of Res12 is to introduce standard governance processes to football.
Does the review by the Compliance Officer follow the standard procedure?

I noticed there isn't a reference to is as yet in the usual place:

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/scottish_fa_news.cfm?page=2566
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16 Nov 2017, 12:26 AM
A post from TSFM about the Hibs Boards decision on review as relayed by fans rep.

https://www.sfm.scot/enough-is-enough/?cid=162915

Note reference to confidential info.

Note reference to forthcoming publication of Q&A on the subject.
We're talking about the admission of a club to the Scottish league. Why does confidentiality even come into it?
It's been a stitch-up since before Rangers' liquidation and a cover up ever since.
All credit to Auldheid and more recently, the Hibs supporters', but I still suspect that the stitch up has been agreed by everyone from the clubs to the SFA to Uefa, and that the dissenting voices are just being managed now, in a way that will not lead to anything being done about any of it.

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fatboab
15 Nov 2017, 04:26 PM
Surely we could charge to view the coach.
If they did that could I use my bus pass to get oan for nuthin?
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16 Nov 2017, 01:29 PM
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16 Nov 2017, 12:26 AM
A post from TSFM about the Hibs Boards decision on review as relayed by fans rep.

https://www.sfm.scot/enough-is-enough/?cid=162915

Note reference to confidential info.

Note reference to forthcoming publication of Q&A on the subject.
We're talking about the admission of a club to the Scottish league. Why does confidentiality even come into it?
It's been a stitch-up since before Rangers' liquidation and a cover up ever since.
All credit to Auldheid and more recently, the Hibs supporters', but I still suspect that the stitch up has been agreed by everyone from the clubs to the SFA to Uefa, and that the dissenting voices are just being managed now, in a way that will not lead to anything being done about any of it.

Confidentiality is a nice, convenient way of saying "shut the eff up and stop asking me questions."

The confidentiality angle is because it is a major embarrassment to the SFA, a major embarrassment to them also that some of the protagonists in the deception went on to be either SFA President (Ogilvie), or have gone on to become prominent members of SFA Boards or committees (Dickson).

It is doubly embarrassing for Hibs because Petrie is Senior Vice President and is next in line for President, using the SFA's unwritten nod and a wink method of selecting its figurehead. He was never raising this for fear of losing his own yearned for position as Head Blazer.

We all know what was to remain confidential. Meetings and emails between Regan, Ogilvie, Whyte and a cast list of others involved in this farce.
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16 Nov 2017, 01:29 PM
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16 Nov 2017, 12:26 AM
A post from TSFM about the Hibs Boards decision on review as relayed by fans rep.

https://www.sfm.scot/enough-is-enough/?cid=162915

Note reference to confidential info.

Note reference to forthcoming publication of Q&A on the subject.
We're talking about the admission of a club to the Scottish league. Why does confidentiality even come into it?
It's been a stitch-up since before Rangers' liquidation and a cover up ever since.
All credit to Auldheid and more recently, the Hibs supporters', but I still suspect that the stitch up has been agreed by everyone from the clubs to the SFA to Uefa, and that the dissenting voices are just being managed now, in a way that will not lead to anything being done about any of it.

The comment "As well as being Fans representatives we are also Non-Executive Directors for the club, and we have a legal responsibility to ensure that we act within the club’s best interests. This wasn’t an easy decision by any means." stands out for me. What material difference could any of this have on Hibs as an operating concern? Unless the information was so damaging to Petrie that it would cause problems with the stock market etc of course. In which case this rep should resign as an NED.

Publish and be damned!!

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tomtom
16 Nov 2017, 01:49 PM
Tiny Tim
16 Nov 2017, 01:29 PM
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16 Nov 2017, 12:26 AM
A post from TSFM about the Hibs Boards decision on review as relayed by fans rep.

https://www.sfm.scot/enough-is-enough/?cid=162915

Note reference to confidential info.

Note reference to forthcoming publication of Q&A on the subject.
We're talking about the admission of a club to the Scottish league. Why does confidentiality even come into it?
It's been a stitch-up since before Rangers' liquidation and a cover up ever since.
All credit to Auldheid and more recently, the Hibs supporters', but I still suspect that the stitch up has been agreed by everyone from the clubs to the SFA to Uefa, and that the dissenting voices are just being managed now, in a way that will not lead to anything being done about any of it.

The comment "As well as being Fans representatives we are also Non-Executive Directors for the club, and we have a legal responsibility to ensure that we act within the club’s best interests. This wasn’t an easy decision by any means." stands out for me. What material difference could any of this have on Hibs as an operating concern? Unless the information was so damaging to Petrie that it would cause problems with the stock market etc of course. In which case this rep should resign as an NED.

Publish and be damned!!

Arthur Wellesley.csc
Hibs is a private company, so share price isn't an issue.

Reading between the lines of previous comments made by Tracey Smith, I think the line sold to the Fans' reps was that Hibs would have to stump up a share of costs for any new enquiry and, since the SFA/SPFL have their famous legal opinion that nothing can be done, it would be wasting the club's money.

Representatives of the Hibs board are meeting the Hibs Supporters Association tonight. Sadly I would expect not much but bullshampoo at unprecedented levels.
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She said that they were looking into ways to stop this happening again. She's lying. Because the only way to stop it happening again is to strip the titles. Not stripping those titles is far from disincentivising such cheating, it's actually providing an incentive to do it again.
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16 Nov 2017, 03:08 PM
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16 Nov 2017, 01:49 PM
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16 Nov 2017, 01:29 PM
The comment "As well as being Fans representatives we are also Non-Executive Directors for the club, and we have a legal responsibility to ensure that we act within the club’s best interests. This wasn’t an easy decision by any means." stands out for me. What material difference could any of this have on Hibs as an operating concern? Unless the information was so damaging to Petrie that it would cause problems with the stock market etc of course. In which case this rep should resign as an NED.

Publish and be damned!!

Arthur Wellesley.csc
Hibs is a private company, so share price isn't an issue.

Reading between the lines of previous comments made by Tracey Smith, I think the line sold to the Fans' reps was that Hibs would have to stump up a share of costs for any new enquiry and, since the SFA/SPFL have their famous legal opinion that nothing can be done, it would be wasting the club's money.

Representatives of the Hibs board are meeting the Hibs Supporters Association tonight. Sadly I would expect not much but bullshampoo at unprecedented levels.
The why not come out and say that instead of leaving fans wondering. They all talk of wanting transparency but hide behind "confidentiality" when it suits.
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16 Nov 2017, 03:08 PM
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16 Nov 2017, 01:49 PM
Tiny Tim
16 Nov 2017, 01:29 PM
The comment "As well as being Fans representatives we are also Non-Executive Directors for the club, and we have a legal responsibility to ensure that we act within the club’s best interests. This wasn’t an easy decision by any means." stands out for me. What material difference could any of this have on Hibs as an operating concern? Unless the information was so damaging to Petrie that it would cause problems with the stock market etc of course. In which case this rep should resign as an NED.

Publish and be damned!!

Arthur Wellesley.csc
Hibs is a private company, so share price isn't an issue.

Reading between the lines of previous comments made by Tracey Smith, I think the line sold to the Fans' reps was that Hibs would have to stump up a share of costs for any new enquiry and, since the SFA/SPFL have their famous legal opinion that nothing can be done, it would be wasting the club's money.

Representatives of the Hibs board are meeting the Hibs Supporters Association tonight. Sadly I would expect not much but bullshampoo at unprecedented levels.
The cost of an enquiry is a factor that put clubs off. That's from a very very reliable source.
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Auldyin
17 Nov 2017, 01:26 AM
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16 Nov 2017, 03:08 PM
tomtom
16 Nov 2017, 01:49 PM
Hibs is a private company, so share price isn't an issue.

Reading between the lines of previous comments made by Tracey Smith, I think the line sold to the Fans' reps was that Hibs would have to stump up a share of costs for any new enquiry and, since the SFA/SPFL have their famous legal opinion that nothing can be done, it would be wasting the club's money.

Representatives of the Hibs board are meeting the Hibs Supporters Association tonight. Sadly I would expect not much but bullshampoo at unprecedented levels.
The cost of an enquiry is a factor that put clubs off. That's from a very very reliable source.
Remy at the meeting then?
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