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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,426 Views)
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wigwam
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8 Nov 2017, 07:59 AM
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Doesn't RTC miss the point a little since Rangers EBT use was simply exploiting the same loopholes he blames on government? The deliberate fracturing of registration rules, of course, is a separate issue altogether. But if we are simply talking about the nuts and bolts of getting out of paying what you owe then it's difficult to justify the film schemes or any other mechanism by which the super rich cheat the exchequer. Makes me sick to my stomach that people with so much money are so conditioned by our consumer society that enough is never enough. There is a much bigger issue at stake here than Rangers cheating. It is about a class system of privilege which people suffer for. Surely one being illegal makes a difference?
Can't defend DD though, same boat as all the others exposed. Though the fault is with Govts allowing it, to help their Party donors etc. Between that and lobbyists, it's no wonder our politics has ended up in the current mess it's in, with Governments hamstrung to do anything to help the people that vote them in as it would upset their funders.
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8 Nov 2017, 08:10 AM
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Doesn't RTC miss the point a little since Rangers EBT use was simply exploiting the same loopholes he blames on government? The deliberate fracturing of registration rules, of course, is a separate issue altogether. But if we are simply talking about the nuts and bolts of getting out of paying what you owe then it's difficult to justify the film schemes or any other mechanism by which the super rich cheat the exchequer. Makes me sick to my stomach that people with so much money are so conditioned by our consumer society that enough is never enough. There is a much bigger issue at stake here than Rangers cheating. It is about a class system of privilege which people suffer for.
Surely one being illegal makes a difference? Can't defend DD though, same boat as all the others exposed. Though the fault is with Govts allowing it, to help their Party donors etc. Between that and lobbyists, it's no wonder our politics has ended up in the current mess it's in, with Governments hamstrung to do anything to help the people that vote them in as it would upset their funders. Same the world over, depressing sometimes isn't it
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8 Nov 2017, 08:34 AM
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Doesn't RTC miss the point a little since Rangers EBT use was simply exploiting the same loopholes he blames on government? The deliberate fracturing of registration rules, of course, is a separate issue altogether. But if we are simply talking about the nuts and bolts of getting out of paying what you owe then it's difficult to justify the film schemes or any other mechanism by which the super rich cheat the exchequer. Makes me sick to my stomach that people with so much money are so conditioned by our consumer society that enough is never enough. There is a much bigger issue at stake here than Rangers cheating. It is about a class system of privilege which people suffer for. Yep, and many with the cash to buy access to creative accountants would appear to see little wrong with that. That people don’t see any issues while inequality is rising and rising -ffs food collections outside Celtic Park, in 2017...- is unreal. Surely even if you know little about finance that’s not some sort of insanely difficult question....
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8 Nov 2017, 08:45 AM
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- 8 Nov 2017, 12:07 AM
Completely agree.
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8 Nov 2017, 08:48 AM
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Doesn't RTC miss the point a little since Rangers EBT use was simply exploiting the same loopholes he blames on government? The deliberate fracturing of registration rules, of course, is a separate issue altogether. But if we are simply talking about the nuts and bolts of getting out of paying what you owe then it's difficult to justify the film schemes or any other mechanism by which the super rich cheat the exchequer. Makes me sick to my stomach that people with so much money are so conditioned by our consumer society that enough is never enough. There is a much bigger issue at stake here than Rangers cheating. It is about a class system of privilege which people suffer for.
Surely one being illegal makes a difference? Can't defend DD though, same boat as all the others exposed. Though the fault is with Govts allowing it, to help their Party donors etc. Between that and lobbyists, it's no wonder our politics has ended up in the current mess it's in, with Governments hamstrung to do anything to help the people that vote them in as it would upset their funders. Indeed. Any attempt to equate Desmond with the mass tax fraud EBT scheme that brought down Rangers 1872 are laughable.
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murphio
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8 Nov 2017, 09:34 AM
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Could start a row in an empty room
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Doesn't RTC miss the point a little since Rangers EBT use was simply exploiting the same loopholes he blames on government? The deliberate fracturing of registration rules, of course, is a separate issue altogether. But if we are simply talking about the nuts and bolts of getting out of paying what you owe then it's difficult to justify the film schemes or any other mechanism by which the super rich cheat the exchequer. Makes me sick to my stomach that people with so much money are so conditioned by our consumer society that enough is never enough. There is a much bigger issue at stake here than Rangers cheating. It is about a class system of privilege which people suffer for.
Yep, and many with the cash to buy access to creative accountants would appear to see little wrong with that. That people don’t see any issues while inequality is rising and rising -ffs food collections outside Celtic Park, in 2017...- is unreal. Surely even if you know little about finance that’s not some sort of insanely difficult question.... I agree completely Mark Daly is at it. Evening up the score to appear impartial. That aside, as I said, there is a lot more at stake here than potential whataboutery. It really sticks in my craw we are hearing the same excuses trotted out by the rich at the heart of this story as we heard from the Hun. 'It's not illegal. So effing what. It stinks regardless. While we are subjected to propaganda like benefit street which blames the poorest for their own misfortune, these bastards are salting money away that would end NHS waiting times and ensure children aren't going to school hungry. Oh but it's all the fault of dole scroungers and immigrants while they are sunning themselves on their yacht.
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Nisi Dominus Frustra
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8 Nov 2017, 09:53 AM
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They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Lovely shot. Some thought went into the angles. Don't need a Degree in Cinematography to see what's goin' on here.
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8 Nov 2017, 10:07 AM
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Some amount of Forelock tugging going on in work today. Some defending the Queen others defending DD Weird
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8 Nov 2017, 10:17 AM
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....give us a glimmer......
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I don't have any problem with dermot's tax avoidance being brought up,the issue is all over the media at the moment and rightly so. But to try and shoehorn celtic into it in that report did stink of the beebs usual tactic of 'evening things up'.
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paulfg42
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8 Nov 2017, 10:59 AM
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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- 8 Nov 2017, 07:35 AM
Doesn't RTC miss the point a little since Rangers EBT use was simply exploiting the same loopholes he blames on government? The deliberate fracturing of registration rules, of course, is a separate issue altogether. But if we are simply talking about the nuts and bolts of getting out of paying what you owe then it's difficult to justify the film schemes or any other mechanism by which the super rich cheat the exchequer. Makes me sick to my stomach that people with so much money are so conditioned by our consumer society that enough is never enough. There is a much bigger issue at stake here than Rangers cheating. It is about a class system of privilege which people suffer for.
Surely one being illegal makes a difference? Can't defend DD though, same boat as all the others exposed. Though the fault is with Govts allowing it, to help their Party donors etc. Between that and lobbyists, it's no wonder our politics has ended up in the current mess it's in, with Governments hamstrung to do anything to help the people that vote them in as it would upset their funders. It took a long time to prove it was illegal. And many of the more recent scams (loans from offshore companies) seem very similar.
I haven't seen anything on DD reported in the English media at all so, while I think DD is a tight-fisted arsehole, I can understand why people are unhappy that he is the focus of BBC Scotland's interest.
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paulfg42
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8 Nov 2017, 11:00 AM
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Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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Doesn't RTC miss the point a little since Rangers EBT use was simply exploiting the same loopholes he blames on government? The deliberate fracturing of registration rules, of course, is a separate issue altogether. But if we are simply talking about the nuts and bolts of getting out of paying what you owe then it's difficult to justify the film schemes or any other mechanism by which the super rich cheat the exchequer. Makes me sick to my stomach that people with so much money are so conditioned by our consumer society that enough is never enough. There is a much bigger issue at stake here than Rangers cheating. It is about a class system of privilege which people suffer for.
Yep, and many with the cash to buy access to creative accountants would appear to see little wrong with that. That people don’t see any issues while inequality is rising and rising -ffs food collections outside Celtic Park, in 2017...- is unreal. Surely even if you know little about finance that’s not some sort of insanely difficult question....
I agree completely Mark Daly is at it. Evening up the score to appear impartial. That aside, as I said, there is a lot more at stake here than potential whataboutery. It really sticks in my craw we are hearing the same excuses trotted out by the rich at the heart of this story as we heard from the Hun. 'It's not illegal. So effing what. It stinks regardless. While we are subjected to propaganda like benefit street which blames the poorest for their own misfortune, these bastards are salting money away that would end NHS waiting times and ensure children aren't going to school hungry. Oh but it's all the fault of dole scroungers and immigrants while they are sunning themselves on their yacht. Nail on the head, murphio.
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fatboab
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8 Nov 2017, 11:01 AM
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Just before the Dawn
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how would DD paying his due taxes impact on the NHS?
that really is the crux of the discussion. DD has nothing to do with UK taxation , nor the BBC.
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tomtom
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8 Nov 2017, 11:02 AM
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Doesn't RTC miss the point a little since Rangers EBT use was simply exploiting the same loopholes he blames on government? The deliberate fracturing of registration rules, of course, is a separate issue altogether. But if we are simply talking about the nuts and bolts of getting out of paying what you owe then it's difficult to justify the film schemes or any other mechanism by which the super rich cheat the exchequer. Makes me sick to my stomach that people with so much money are so conditioned by our consumer society that enough is never enough. There is a much bigger issue at stake here than Rangers cheating. It is about a class system of privilege which people suffer for.
Surely one being illegal makes a difference? Can't defend DD though, same boat as all the others exposed. Though the fault is with Govts allowing it, to help their Party donors etc. Between that and lobbyists, it's no wonder our politics has ended up in the current mess it's in, with Governments hamstrung to do anything to help the people that vote them in as it would upset their funders. Politicians and politics have been stacked towards the "haves" since their inception. Unfortunately there is little chance of changing it to favour the little people.
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Corky Buczek
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8 Nov 2017, 11:29 AM
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- 8 Nov 2017, 09:34 AM
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Doesn't RTC miss the point a little since Rangers EBT use was simply exploiting the same loopholes he blames on government? The deliberate fracturing of registration rules, of course, is a separate issue altogether. But if we are simply talking about the nuts and bolts of getting out of paying what you owe then it's difficult to justify the film schemes or any other mechanism by which the super rich cheat the exchequer. Makes me sick to my stomach that people with so much money are so conditioned by our consumer society that enough is never enough. There is a much bigger issue at stake here than Rangers cheating. It is about a class system of privilege which people suffer for.
Yep, and many with the cash to buy access to creative accountants would appear to see little wrong with that. That people don’t see any issues while inequality is rising and rising -ffs food collections outside Celtic Park, in 2017...- is unreal. Surely even if you know little about finance that’s not some sort of insanely difficult question....
I agree completely Mark Daly is at it. Evening up the score to appear impartial. That aside, as I said, there is a lot more at stake here than potential whataboutery. It really sticks in my craw we are hearing the same excuses trotted out by the rich at the heart of this story as we heard from the Hun. 'It's not illegal. So effing what. It stinks regardless. While we are subjected to propaganda like benefit street which blames the poorest for their own misfortune, these bastards are salting money away that would end NHS waiting times and ensure children aren't going to school hungry. Oh but it's all the fault of dole scroungers and immigrants while they are sunning themselves on their yacht. Last night there was a half hour special on various businesses and businessmen with Scottish connections avoiding tax done. It was part of the Paradise papers hack and yesterday's piece was done by Mark Daly. For example the St Enoch Shopping Centre owners avoided tax when they bought it and avoid ta on their rent and profits and their offshore system. The investigation into Desmond came about as a release of the info by theses papers. Given his investigations into St Augustus school, paedophile and abusive priests (amazingly one poster on KDS thinks that was a disgrace) and peadophilia in football - Its a now a live court case - I would be surprised if Mark Daly feels he has to even up the score. From watching his stuff over the years I think he's a very good at his job.
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8 Nov 2017, 11:37 AM
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Doesn't RTC miss the point a little since Rangers EBT use was simply exploiting the same loopholes he blames on government? The deliberate fracturing of registration rules, of course, is a separate issue altogether. But if we are simply talking about the nuts and bolts of getting out of paying what you owe then it's difficult to justify the film schemes or any other mechanism by which the super rich cheat the exchequer. Makes me sick to my stomach that people with so much money are so conditioned by our consumer society that enough is never enough. There is a much bigger issue at stake here than Rangers cheating. It is about a class system of privilege which people suffer for.
Yep, and many with the cash to buy access to creative accountants would appear to see little wrong with that. That people don’t see any issues while inequality is rising and rising -ffs food collections outside Celtic Park, in 2017...- is unreal. Surely even if you know little about finance that’s not some sort of insanely difficult question....
I agree completely Mark Daly is at it. Evening up the score to appear impartial. That aside, as I said, there is a lot more at stake here than potential whataboutery. It really sticks in my craw we are hearing the same excuses trotted out by the rich at the heart of this story as we heard from the Hun. 'It's not illegal. So effing what. It stinks regardless. While we are subjected to propaganda like benefit street which blames the poorest for their own misfortune, these bastards are salting money away that would end NHS waiting times and ensure children aren't going to school hungry. Oh but it's all the fault of dole scroungers and immigrants while they are sunning themselves on their yacht. Couldn’t put it better.
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8 Nov 2017, 11:43 AM
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I agree completely Mark Daly is at it. Evening up the score to appear impartial. That aside, as I said, there is a lot more at stake here than potential whataboutery. It really sticks in my craw we are hearing the same excuses trotted out by the rich at the heart of this story as we heard from the Hun. 'It's not illegal. So effing what. It stinks regardless. While we are subjected to propaganda like benefit street which blames the poorest for their own misfortune, these bastards are salting money away that would end NHS waiting times and ensure children aren't going to school hungry. Oh but it's all the fault of dole scroungers and immigrants while they are sunning themselves on their yacht. Couldn’t put it better. Spot on.
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8 Nov 2017, 11:47 AM
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You want equality? Consider if that person feels Equal.
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They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Lovely shot. Some thought went into the angles. Don't need a Degree in Cinematography to see what's goin' on here.  The Third Degree
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8 Nov 2017, 11:56 AM
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Can I have 12 bottles of bleach please?
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Should everyone pay tax? Yes. Should governments around the world being doing more to stop tax avoidance/evasion? Yes Should investigative journalists be applying pressure to those who are 'at it'? Yes Should the tax affairs of an Irishman who owned a Swiss based company yet used the Isle of Man for 'efficiency' purposes be discussed on a Scottish football show where Kris Boyd was actually quite funny? GET YERSELF TAE eff!
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8 Nov 2017, 11:59 AM
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Of course he's going to doorstep DR at the Celtic game, his connection to Celtic is where the story is.
How is his connection to Celtic "where the story is"? Correct me if I'm wrong but we are talking about a non British national using tax breaks in a non British country. Where the eff is his connection to Celtic in all of this? If the nationally funded broadcaster was in the business of applying doorstep techniques to harass anyone with a tenuous link to a football club then we would be here all night, not least in ripping apart the whole corrupt mess that passes for "good governance" in this country. That the other night was nothing more than a blatant attempt to drag Celtic Football Club into a mess created by two clubs and two clubs only. Anyone arguing otherwise is trying to appear impartial for the sake of it, or have agenda ever so slightly more sinister. Dermot Desmond has been implicated in the Paradise Papers as avoiding the tax due on one of his companys, as you have pointed out DD is a non UK national avoiding this tax in a non UK country.
Dermot Desmond however does not have a 'tenous' link to Celtic, he is the majority shareholder and the main powerbroker at parkhead. So for Mark Daly being a Scottish Journalist who focuses primarily on issues relating to Scottish football the story is in the position DD holds with regards to Celtic, therefore it entirely makes sense from a jounralists perspective to confront him at the Celtic game.
None of this is indicative of an organised agenda against Celtic on the part of the journalist or BBC Scotland.
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8 Nov 2017, 12:00 PM
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I've seen quite a few comments on the net/social media about DD being wrong to involve Celtic in the story by opening his letter to Mark Daly with "Are you a Rangers supporter?" and that it was either crass and/or petty of him to do so. I disagree completely. I think it was entirely appropriate and clever. BBC Scotland had already made the story about Celtic by choosing to lead with their piece and confront DD in tha manner and location that they did, as NDF's post with the picture above perfectly illustrates. DD was reacting to that and basically saying to the BBC through Daly, I know what your agenda is you shower of desperate Hun bastards but don't think I'm just going to sit back and take your shoite, I won't and make no mistake, if you want to come ahead let's do it!
For the record I don't support super rich people avoiding tax but as I've said previously if the system allows it then it will inevitably happen. What I do support is BBC Scotland being tackled head on for their attempts to blacken Celtic's name and for their morally bereft, spineless and wilful ignorance of SDM/King?Murray/FRC 9IL)/Sevco/EBT recipients yada yada yada....
BBC Scotland = A National Disgrace!
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