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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,427 Views)
Corky Buczek
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jim62
7 Nov 2017, 11:22 PM
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7 Nov 2017, 09:10 PM

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Did he know he was playing golf that days and and on which course ? Could he just walk across the courses to speak to him ? He knew he would be a CP for the Bayern game, hence he was there as DD chose not to answer his questions he had sent before.

The Half hour special showed plenty of other "Scottish" tax avoiders.

DD controls Celtic - the biggest football club in Scotland and one of its biggest sporting institutions. He donates money to UK political parties. He is faitr game to journalists enquiries in Scotland.
His tee off times and the course he was playing were publicised three days in advance ...as they were for every participant . ...entry to the event was free

I'm still struggling to understand the interest of BBC Scotland in the tax affairs of an Irish citizen

Particularly when they seem to have absolutely no worries about actually employing Scottish folk who have benefitted from a tax scam

For avoidance of any doubt my post should not be treated as "supportive" of DD
Maybe Daly didn't have DD's golf itinerary. He is for all intents and purposes the de facto owner of Celtic - he country's biggest football club. He also donates to UK political parties. Should the BBC be worried about Uzbeki national Mr Usmanov who was also mentioned in Panorama ?

And by accusing Daly of being a Rangers supporter - was that not himself bring Celtic into it ?

Edited by Corky Buczek, 7 Nov 2017, 11:46 PM.
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7 Nov 2017, 09:52 PM

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How is it stealing from the poor? When did it belong to them? Or do you mean he is depriving them of their share?

The other day, in the "Media" thread, you told us that "Murray et al stole c£28 from every single person in Scotland when Rangers went bust."

At what point was this theft perpetrated? When did that £28 ever belong to me and how can I get it back?
Because Murray and Rangers deliberately employed an illegal tax scam. As far as anyone is aware Dermot Desmond has not.
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Rangerstaxcase chappie adds his opinion

https://twitter.com/rangerstaxcase/status/928034099771478016
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7 Nov 2017, 11:22 PM
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7 Nov 2017, 10:58 PM
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Did he know he was playing golf that days and and on which course ? Could he just walk across the courses to speak to him ? He knew he would be a CP for the Bayern game, hence he was there as DD chose not to answer his questions he had sent before.

The Half hour special showed plenty of other "Scottish" tax avoiders.

DD controls Celtic - the biggest football club in Scotland and one of its biggest sporting institutions. He donates money to UK political parties. He is faitr game to journalists enquiries in Scotland.
His tee off times and the course he was playing were publicised three days in advance ...as they were for every participant . ...entry to the event was free

I'm still struggling to understand the interest of BBC Scotland in the tax affairs of an Irish citizen

Particularly when they seem to have absolutely no worries about actually employing Scottish folk who have benefitted from a tax scam

For avoidance of any doubt my post should not be treated as "supportive" of DD
Don't be so disingenuous. You know fine well why they're interested, and it's for perfectly legitimate reasons. Stop playing dumb.

He's associated with Celtic, and therefore it makes him a person of public notariety.

They could make the main thrust of their reporting about Joe Bloggs whom they've never heard of, but it's hardly going to mean anything to their audience. It would highlight the same issues, but it wouldn't have the same impact to the public at large. So, in order to achieve that aim, they use people or companies who are famous in their own right, or have associations with other institutions that the public will be familiar with.

There's absolutely nothing sinister about it. Everyone has long suspected the lengths that the super rich go to avoid paying tax, particularly in this era of austerity. Stories like this provide examples of such methods used in a way that the public at large can relate to.
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7 Nov 2017, 10:15 PM

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The other day, in the "Media" thread, you told us that "Murray et al stole c£28 from every single person in Scotland when Rangers went bust."

At what point was this theft perpetrated? When did that £28 ever belong to me and how can I get it back?
Because Murray and Rangers deliberately employed an illegal tax scam. As far as anyone is aware Dermot Desmond has not.
The world is a wee bit bigger than us and the huns.
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8 Nov 2017, 12:18 AM
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7 Nov 2017, 11:22 PM
Corky Buczek
7 Nov 2017, 10:58 PM

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His tee off times and the course he was playing were publicised three days in advance ...as they were for every participant . ...entry to the event was free

I'm still struggling to understand the interest of BBC Scotland in the tax affairs of an Irish citizen

Particularly when they seem to have absolutely no worries about actually employing Scottish folk who have benefitted from a tax scam

For avoidance of any doubt my post should not be treated as "supportive" of DD
Don't be so disingenuous. You know fine well why they're interested, and it's for perfectly legitimate reasons. Stop playing dumb.

He's associated with Celtic, and therefore it makes him a person of public notariety.

They could make the main thrust of their reporting about Joe Bloggs whom they've never heard of, but it's hardly going to mean anything to their audience. It would highlight the same issues, but it wouldn't have the same impact to the public at large. So, in order to achieve that aim, they use people or companies who are famous in their own right, or have associations with other institutions that the public will be familiar with.

There's absolutely nothing sinister about it. Everyone has long suspected the lengths that the super rich go to avoid paying tax, particularly in this era of austerity. Stories like this provide examples of such methods used in a way that the public at large can relate to.
Do I need to use a sarcastic font ??? ;)


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7 Nov 2017, 11:44 PM
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7 Nov 2017, 10:58 PM

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His tee off times and the course he was playing were publicised three days in advance ...as they were for every participant . ...entry to the event was free

I'm still struggling to understand the interest of BBC Scotland in the tax affairs of an Irish citizen

Particularly when they seem to have absolutely no worries about actually employing Scottish folk who have benefitted from a tax scam

For avoidance of any doubt my post should not be treated as "supportive" of DD
Maybe Daly didn't have DD's golf itinerary. He is for all intents and purposes the de facto owner of Celtic - he country's biggest football club. He also donates to UK political parties. Should the BBC be worried about Uzbeki national Mr Usmanov who was also mentioned in Panorama ?

And by accusing Daly of being a Rangers supporter - was that not himself bring Celtic into it ?

DD has played in this event every year....would say it was actually more predictable he would be there than at our match

Any investigative journalist worth his salt would surely know that DD is a bit of a golf nut and would have had four days to "interview" him
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7 Nov 2017, 11:44 PM
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7 Nov 2017, 11:22 PM

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Maybe Daly didn't have DD's golf itinerary. He is for all intents and purposes the de facto owner of Celtic - he country's biggest football club. He also donates to UK political parties. Should the BBC be worried about Uzbeki national Mr Usmanov who was also mentioned in Panorama ?

And by accusing Daly of being a Rangers supporter - was that not himself bring Celtic into it ?

DD has played in this event every year....would say it was actually more predictable he would be there than at our match

Any investigative journalist worth his salt would surely know that DD is a bit of a golf nut and would have had four days to "interview" him

Was this groundbreaking information available when the Dunhill was on ? :ponder:

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8 Nov 2017, 12:28 AM
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8 Nov 2017, 12:26 AM
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DD has played in this event every year....would say it was actually more predictable he would be there than at our match

Any investigative journalist worth his salt would surely know that DD is a bit of a golf nut and would have had four days to "interview" him

Was this groundbreaking information available when the Dunhill was on ? :ponder:

I'm assuming that the "investigative" journalists have been working on the story for some weeks ???

Daly said he had written to DD five times :thumbsup:

Clearly Daly knew on 31 October...don't recall the story breaking until two days ago
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Lawwell should be sacked immediately. I thought he controlled the press and the BBC in Scotland. Disgrace!
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jim62
8 Nov 2017, 12:26 AM
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7 Nov 2017, 11:44 PM
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7 Nov 2017, 11:22 PM

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Maybe Daly didn't have DD's golf itinerary. He is for all intents and purposes the de facto owner of Celtic - he country's biggest football club. He also donates to UK political parties. Should the BBC be worried about Uzbeki national Mr Usmanov who was also mentioned in Panorama ?

And by accusing Daly of being a Rangers supporter - was that not himself bring Celtic into it ?

DD has played in this event every year....would say it was actually more predictable he would be there than at our match

Any investigative journalist worth his salt would surely know that DD is a bit of a golf nut and would have had four days to "interview" him
Of course he's going to doorstep DD¬ at the Celtic game, his connection to Celtic is where the story is.
Edited by MBhoy1888, 8 Nov 2017, 11:44 AM.
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7 Nov 2017, 11:58 PM
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The other day, in the "Media" thread, you told us that "Murray et al stole c£28 from every single person in Scotland when Rangers went bust."
At what point was this theft perpetrated? When did that £28 ever belong to me and how can I get it back?
Because Murray and Rangers deliberately employed an illegal tax scam. As far as anyone is aware Dermot Desmond has not.
I am sorry but that comes across as a weasely answer to the spirit of the question.
Some tax scams are legal. Some are illegal. They are all scams and despicable.
Edited by Seneca, 8 Nov 2017, 01:33 AM.
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8 Nov 2017, 01:15 AM
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8 Nov 2017, 12:26 AM
Corky Buczek
7 Nov 2017, 11:44 PM

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DD has played in this event every year....would say it was actually more predictable he would be there than at our match

Any investigative journalist worth his salt would surely know that DD is a bit of a golf nut and would have had four days to "interview" him
Of course he's going to doorstep DR at the Celtic game, his connection to Celtic is where the story is.
How is his connection to Celtic "where the story is"?

Correct me if I'm wrong but we are talking about a non British national using tax breaks in a non British country.

Where the eff is his connection to Celtic in all of this?

If the nationally funded broadcaster was in the business of applying doorstep techniques to harass anyone with a tenuous link to a football club then we would be here all night, not least in ripping apart the whole corrupt mess that passes for "good governance" in this country.

That the other night was nothing more than a blatant attempt to drag Celtic Football Club into a mess created by two clubs and two clubs only.

Anyone arguing otherwise is trying to appear impartial for the sake of it, or have agenda ever so slightly more sinister.
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DD has played in this event every year....would say it was actually more predictable he would be there than at our match

Any investigative journalist worth his salt would surely know that DD is a bit of a golf nut and would have had four days to "interview" him
Of course he's going to doorstep DR at the Celtic game, his connection to Celtic is where the story is.
Exactly.
The notion that a journalist like Daly will try and maximise the impact of their story = they are hunting for Celtic alone, is blinkered.
As soon as this Paradise Papers broke any respectable journalist in Scotland (I know) would have made the connection to DD's de facto ownership of our club.
Would also like to second a couple of posters who've said the "Are you a Rangers fan?" comment from DD is not only pretty classless but actually INVITES journalists to make the Celtic/Sevco connection. Act of lunacy from him - he must be making billions in ways that don't involve judgement & thoughtfulness
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Of course he's going to doorstep DR at the Celtic game, his connection to Celtic is where the story is.
Exactly.
The notion that a journalist like Daly will try and maximise the impact of their story = they are hunting for Celtic alone, is blinkered.
As soon as this Paradise Papers broke any respectable journalist in Scotland (I know) would have made the connection to DD's de facto ownership of our club.
Would also like to second a couple of posters who've said the "Are you a Rangers fan?" comment from DD is not only pretty classless but actually INVITES journalists to make the Celtic/Sevco connection. Act of lunacy from him - he must be making billions in ways that don't involve judgement & thoughtfulness
Why isn't he doorstepping Murray, Masterton etc...?

There is a massive massive story relevant to Scotland, Scottish Football and Rangers in particular. Why is it being swept under the carpet while they go after a foreign national attending a football match in country not affected by the recipients tax wheeze?
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7 Nov 2017, 06:18 PM
I'd actually like to point out here that the letter itself asking if the journalist was 'a Rangers fan' directly implicates our club in all of this. That was Desmond's doing.
Indeed. That was daft.
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I'd actually like to point out here that the letter itself asking if the journalist was 'a Rangers fan' directly implicates our club in all of this. That was Desmond's doing.
Indeed. That was daft.
I reckon its Ok DD opening the letter as he did..kinda tongue in cheek imo

Its a decent way of deflecting the real narrative back to the larger EBT/SFA issue.

A way of seeming to take a hit but really fanning the flames...

I understand others see this differently of course.
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How is it stealing from the poor? When did it belong to them? Or do you mean he is depriving them of their share?

The other day, in the "Media" thread, you told us that "Murray et al stole c£28 from every single person in Scotland when Rangers went bust."

At what point was this theft perpetrated? When did that £28 ever belong to me and how can I get it back?
Murray was also given loans that he could never pay back to keep his companies afloat. That money was then paid by the tax payer that means you and me when the bank went bust.
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7 Nov 2017, 10:58 PM

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His tee off times and the course he was playing were publicised three days in advance ...as they were for every participant . ...entry to the event was free

I'm still struggling to understand the interest of BBC Scotland in the tax affairs of an Irish citizen

Particularly when they seem to have absolutely no worries about actually employing Scottish folk who have benefitted from a tax scam

For avoidance of any doubt my post should not be treated as "supportive" of DD
Don't be so disingenuous. You know fine well why they're interested, and it's for perfectly legitimate reasons. Stop playing dumb.

He's associated with Celtic, and therefore it makes him a person of public notariety.

They could make the main thrust of their reporting about Joe Bloggs whom they've never heard of, but it's hardly going to mean anything to their audience. It would highlight the same issues, but it wouldn't have the same impact to the public at large. So, in order to achieve that aim, they use people or companies who are famous in their own right, or have associations with other institutions that the public will be familiar with.

There's absolutely nothing sinister about it. Everyone has long suspected the lengths that the super rich go to avoid paying tax, particularly in this era of austerity. Stories like this provide examples of such methods used in a way that the public at large can relate to.
If you stopped 50 people in the street. how many would know who DD is?
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Doesn't RTC miss the point a little since Rangers EBT use was simply exploiting the same loopholes he blames on government? The deliberate fracturing of registration rules, of course, is a separate issue altogether. But if we are simply talking about the nuts and bolts of getting out of paying what you owe then it's difficult to justify the film schemes or any other mechanism by which the super rich cheat the exchequer. Makes me sick to my stomach that people with so much money are so conditioned by our consumer society that enough is never enough. There is a much bigger issue at stake here than Rangers cheating. It is about a class system of privilege which people suffer for.
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