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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Seneca
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7 Nov 2017, 07:50 PM
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Mark Daly posted on twitter that, to remind people that there's no bias, who broke the huns EBT story.
Phil?
It certainly wasn't Daly He then went on to say that he meant publishing the names of the EBT recipients. Which, while might be true, it wasn't what he meant in his original tweet. His programme was the first time I saw a lengthy list of names
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7 Nov 2017, 07:52 PM
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It certainly wasn't Daly He then went on to say that he meant publishing the names of the EBT recipients. Which, while might be true, it wasn't what he meant in his original tweet.
His programme was the first time I saw a lengthy list of names I acknowledged that
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7 Nov 2017, 08:00 PM
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Mark Daly posted on twitter that, to remind people that there's no bias, who broke the huns EBT story.
He ran a good program on the sexual abuse in football scandal too in which he confronted the stain on humanity that is Jim Torbett, the guy is a good commited investagitive journalist and Dermot's letter was a bit of a riddy tbh.
He did, and fair play to him for that. But it has absolutely nothing to do with this story. As far as the 'riddy' goes, I'm sure DD will live with it. I'm sure he will , it's seemingly generated just the reaction that he probably hoped it would.
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popeyed
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7 Nov 2017, 08:01 PM
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Mark Daly posted on twitter that, to remind people that there's no bias, who broke the huns EBT story.
Phil?
It certainly wasn't Daly He then went on to say that he meant publishing the names of the EBT recipients. Which, while might be true, it wasn't what he meant in his original tweet. He maybe put it on the telly, but any Tim who'd been online over the period preceeding it knew the full story already.
He's been snakey here. It's a footnote in the grand scheme of things.
You can't be anything more than mildly annoyed at DD and his ilk, they're obviously going to use things like that where they can - it's the bastards that accommodate them that deserve the ire - those Isle of Man polititians who get lawyers to write the law for them etc. The BBC basically had their hands tied here and have had to do something as it was a joint venture they were invited into, so Lewis Hamilton gets stick all day on Twitter and football fans are argiung about whether a man with a moustache like DD's is dodgy or not. I canny even remember that arsey IoM First Minister carrot's name now.
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Mickeybhoy84
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7 Nov 2017, 08:01 PM
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- 7 Nov 2017, 06:52 PM
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If he’s ripping off the UK tax authorities then I’d say the BBC have every right to go after him. He isn’t though so it shouldn’t be the main headline on the evening news. It’s isn’t even proper news. Is anyone surprised that a billionaire investment banker is exploiting tax loopholes? Did anyone actually think DD was above that sort of thing?
Nope but it doesn't mean people should just look the other way when it turns out he's benefiting from stuff like this and is only helping to continue the divide in society due to people using these legal but contemptible practices. He deserves criticism for playing the game like every person who's rich enough not to have to do so. Being involved in this kind of shampoo is reprehensible. Stibhan said earlier on he was embarrassed to have Desmond involved with us; I'm the same. Just because he's in the mood for Celtic again after a few years off does not mean people should just avoid this story. Wonder if the criticism would be as light and so many people hiding behind 'aw its legal but' if this came out at the worst of the Deila era. People were noticing his less admirable qualities then a lot more often. The man has a lengthy history of questionable transactions going through Switzerland and the Isle Of Man. Nothing that came out the other day is particularly controversial in the grand scheme of things and none of it has any relevance to his dealings with Celtic. Yes he deserves to be scrutinised but to start a news program with something as inconsequential as this is just desperate.
As I said earlier, the guy is an investment banker. He doesnt give a feck if people are up in arms over his tax affairs. All he cares about is how much he can save within the confines of the law.
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GreenWhite67
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7 Nov 2017, 08:02 PM
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From Darkfish on the Huddleboard. - Quote:
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Ok, been keeping stumph about the details of this, but there is a group who are actively progressing the legal petitioning of the courts for a Judicial review of the SFA and SPFL.
This group is not just Celtic fans.
Can't divulge the details yet, but work has been going on in the background for quite some time, and legal council has been lined up.
The window to pursue a petition is very limited, so my earlier thread was mainly to gauge appetite for helping to fund this, on this particular board. The result has been really positive with 95% of people saying they would be willing to contribute.
It is absolutely essential in moving this crowd funding forward that we firstly have discussions with the petitioning group so we support them fully and dont interfere destructively in what they are doing. Secondly its not an exclusive Celtic fans only venture. It is very important that this crowdfunding is not seen as tribal Celtic fans, who have a personal rivalry grudge. It has to be all fans, from all Scottish clubs.
Once we get the nod, I'll release the details of where to contribute, and people can contribute what they want to. This will happen in next few days.
In the first instance, can you all raise awareness of the crowd-funding with other sites you frequent, the more we wrap in now, the quicker we can send a message tho the SFA and SPFL that we as supporters of Scottish football are not willing to accept the whitewash and continued malgovernance that they are hoping will be allowed to continue.
Stay tuned for further developments. Same poster on the Huddleboard has advised there is still work going on in the background.
To quote when recently asked.
'Patience, it's still on'
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Wailer
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7 Nov 2017, 08:14 PM
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The beeb said he'd done nothing wrong so why is an Irishman head story on a British news channel over the British head of state? No one is defending the tax loopholes they're only questioning the Scottish BBC agenda here.
I read the report on the web but I didn't see the tele news. Did they say he didn't do anything wrong or didn't do anything illegal? Illegal.
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LambertandButler
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7 Nov 2017, 08:21 PM
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I read the report on the web but I didn't see the tele news. Did they say he didn't do anything wrong or didn't do anything illegal?
Illegal. OK - so they didn't say he did nothing wrong then.
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stibhan
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7 Nov 2017, 08:34 PM
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Genuinely astounds me that people are unaware of Desmond's importance in conceiving the structure of one of the major tax havens in Western Europe. If you want to educate yourself please feel free to do so:
http://taxjustice.blogspot.com.br/2013/04/irish-tax-haven-creator-rings-lse-bell.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermot_Desmond
Whether his activities were illegal is one matter that the Irish government spent a lot of time investigating. Whether they are immoral is up to you. And yes, I am embarrassed to hear Celtic fans trumpet the story of our humble origins and charitable donations and then hear people defend this kind of behaviour.
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xbillups
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7 Nov 2017, 08:37 PM
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It'd be a bigger story if he had done anything illegal. He hasn't though. The BBC admitted as much. For the BBC to lead with DD here as opposed to say ...... Oh I dunno...... The Queen ? , shows there was a clear agenda in their reporting. the Queen, The effing Queen is doing exactly the same thing but the beeb ignore that in favour of DD. Come on.
Did you watch the first documentary and subsequent UK News bulletins. They did lead with the Queen. By the by, the bold Desmond's shenanigans are a far more aggressive example of tax avoidance than what her maj was up to.
Having money dipping in and out of offshore schemes will actually be pretty common for anyone with money in a pension pot.
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WolfieBhoy
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7 Nov 2017, 08:45 PM
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Not to ignore the compelling points in your fine rebuttal but any reason it wouldn't be a serious question
he's done nothing wrong. it's not hard to understand. He's done nothing illegal, that's kinda what's wrong with the whole setup.
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7 Nov 2017, 08:47 PM
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Many on here were lapping Daly up when he was looking into EBTs and Craig Whyte. Yet he has the cheek to look at Desmond and it's simply a conspiracy aimed at Celtic. It's a major story Nationwide with certain famous people, Desmond included.
There's no agenda here There is 100% an agenda in the way the BBC have handled and presented this. And that agenda is to try and say to the Huns ' ok lads we've had to report a lot about the naughty things your club(s) has done but look we'll also stick it to the tims whenever we can. Just to be fair like.' that agenda was a pathetic attempt to try and tar Celtic with the same tax cheats brush they eventually had to tar the Huns with
I have no problem with honest and fair journalists chasing tax criminals, or even suspected tax criminals. And if Desmond falls into that category then fair enough. However to show him outside cp, on his way to a game, as a lead story and then say 'actually he hasn't done anything illlegal' is way beyond the pale. Especially from the BBC with their endless list of ebt tax cheat pundits and ' the price of a good night out' so called analysts.
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7 Nov 2017, 08:49 PM
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It is a major story when that Irishman is the majority shareholder and powerbroker at the biggest football club in Scotland though.
It'd be a bigger story if he had done anything illegal. He hasn't though. The BBC admitted as much. For the BBC to lead with DD here as opposed to say ...... Oh I dunno...... The Queen ? , shows there was a clear agenda in their reporting. the Queen, The effing Queen is doing exactly the same thing but the beeb ignore that in favour of DD. Come on. I've no problem with BBC Scotland drawing attention to it. DD deserves all the criticism and vilification coming his way.
A lot of other tax dodgers who similarly deserve to be called out will not be. That's wrong.
These two positions are not exclusive or contradictory.
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7 Nov 2017, 08:54 PM
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Illegal.
OK - so they didn't say he did nothing wrong then. Well did he do something wrong ?
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7 Nov 2017, 08:59 PM
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Many on here were lapping Daly up when he was looking into EBTs and Craig Whyte. Yet he has the cheek to look at Desmond and it's simply a conspiracy aimed at Celtic. It's a major story Nationwide with certain famous people, Desmond included.
There's no agenda here
There is 100% an agenda in the way the BBC have handled and presented this. And that agenda is to try and say to the Huns ' ok lads we've had to report a lot about the naughty things your club(s) has done but look we'll also stick it to the tims whenever we can. Just to be fair like.' that agenda was a pathetic attempt to try and tar Celtic with the same tax cheats brush they eventually had to tar the Huns with I have no problem with honest and fair journalists chasing tax criminals, or even suspected tax criminals. And if Desmond falls into that category then fair enough. However to show him outside cp, on his way to a game, as a lead story and then say 'actually he hasn't done anything illlegal' is way beyond the pale. Especially from the BBC with their endless list of ebt tax cheat pundits and ' the price of a good night out' so called analysts. Pretty much sums it up for me.
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7 Nov 2017, 09:01 PM
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Many on here were lapping Daly up when he was looking into EBTs and Craig Whyte. Yet he has the cheek to look at Desmond and it's simply a conspiracy aimed at Celtic. It's a major story Nationwide with certain famous people, Desmond included.
There's no agenda here
There is 100% an agenda in the way the BBC have handled and presented this. And that agenda is to try and say to the Huns ' ok lads we've had to report a lot about the naughty things your club(s) has done but look we'll also stick it to the tims whenever we can. Just to be fair like.' that agenda was a pathetic attempt to try and tar Celtic with the same tax cheats brush they eventually had to tar the Huns with I have no problem with honest and fair journalists chasing tax criminals, or even suspected tax criminals. And if Desmond falls into that category then fair enough. However to show him outside cp, on his way to a game, as a lead story and then say 'actually he hasn't done anything illlegal' is way beyond the pale. Especially from the BBC with their endless list of ebt tax cheat pundits and ' the price of a good night out' so called analysts. I think it's beyond the pale that a shareholder of our club would commence a letter to a journalist about a matter entirely removed from Celtic with 'Are you a Rangers fan?'.
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7 Nov 2017, 09:10 PM
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Many on here were lapping Daly up when he was looking into EBTs and Craig Whyte. Yet he has the cheek to look at Desmond and it's simply a conspiracy aimed at Celtic. It's a major story Nationwide with certain famous people, Desmond included.
There's no agenda here
There is 100% an agenda in the way the BBC have handled and presented this. And that agenda is to try and say to the Huns ' ok lads we've had to report a lot about the naughty things your club(s) has done but look we'll also stick it to the tims whenever we can. Just to be fair like.' that agenda was a pathetic attempt to try and tar Celtic with the same tax cheats brush they eventually had to tar the Huns with I have no problem with honest and fair journalists chasing tax criminals, or even suspected tax criminals. And if Desmond falls into that category then fair enough. However to show him outside cp, on his way to a game, as a lead story and then say 'actually he hasn't done anything illlegal' is way beyond the pale. Especially from the BBC with their endless list of ebt tax cheat pundits and ' the price of a good night out' so called analysts.
I think it's beyond the pale that a shareholder of our club would commence a letter to a journalist about a matter entirely removed from Celtic with 'Are you a Rangers fan?'. The journalist door stepped him at Celtic Park...not at any of the three golf courses in Fife he played recently
If he wasn't a Celtic shareholder then would BBC Scotland be running a story about an Irish national "avoiding" Swiss tax ??
BBC Scotland are the ones trying to make this a "Celtic" story
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7 Nov 2017, 09:40 PM
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Many on here were lapping Daly up when he was looking into EBTs and Craig Whyte. Yet he has the cheek to look at Desmond and it's simply a conspiracy aimed at Celtic. It's a major story Nationwide with certain famous people, Desmond included.
There's no agenda here
There is 100% an agenda in the way the BBC have handled and presented this. And that agenda is to try and say to the Huns ' ok lads we've had to report a lot about the naughty things your club(s) has done but look we'll also stick it to the tims whenever we can. Just to be fair like.' that agenda was a pathetic attempt to try and tar Celtic with the same tax cheats brush they eventually had to tar the Huns with I have no problem with honest and fair journalists chasing tax criminals, or even suspected tax criminals. And if Desmond falls into that category then fair enough. However to show him outside cp, on his way to a game, as a lead story and then say 'actually he hasn't done anything illlegal' is way beyond the pale. Especially from the BBC with their endless list of ebt tax cheat pundits and ' the price of a good night out' so called analysts. Totally agree.
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7 Nov 2017, 09:40 PM
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Dermot Desmond is an innocent man.
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7 Nov 2017, 09:48 PM
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I think it's beyond the pale that a shareholder of our club would commence a letter to a journalist about a matter entirely removed from Celtic with 'Are you a Rangers fan?'.
The journalist door stepped him at Celtic Park...not at any of the three golf courses in Fife he played recently If he wasn't a Celtic shareholder then would BBC Scotland be running a story about an Irish national "avoiding" Swiss tax ?? BBC Scotland are the ones trying to make this a "Celtic" story In summary. Next up Bono, who was at a Celtic match 14 years ago.
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