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| Wailer | 7 Nov 2017, 06:42 PM Post #11821 |
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Rebel music.
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If he has to be brought into it at all it should be as a footnote not as a headline. Nice deflection by auld auntie. |
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| stibhan | 7 Nov 2017, 06:52 PM Post #11822 |
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Viva la Quinta Brigada
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While I agree that Elizabeth Windsor should be the main focus, that's another conversation. These schemes are newsworthy and his reply to the BBC explicitly linked the investigation with an anti-Celtic bias, thereby linking any of his own actions with the football club. |
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| Seneca | 7 Nov 2017, 07:01 PM Post #11823 |
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First team training
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BBC News at 6 leading just now with Paradise Papers and Prince Charles! They've looked in here and taken note. Fair play. |
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| marcat | 7 Nov 2017, 07:03 PM Post #11824 |
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First-team starter
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Whilst I agree that those in privileged positions of wealth should pay their tax when appropriate, we live in the real world. I would guess that anyone in DD's position would have taken advice from Accountants etc and are simply exploiting a loophole that currently exists. I would hope the fact that our major shareholder has been embarrassed will result in more backing to BR as continued success is the only way to answer our detractors. |
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| el noy | 7 Nov 2017, 07:04 PM Post #11825 |
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Getting noticed in the reserves
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The set-up used by the actors from Mrs Brown could have (arguably should have, given the nationalities of those involved) been compared to the way that Sevco and Murray used EBTs. That they weren't is in itself interesting, to put it mildly. |
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| Auldyin | 7 Nov 2017, 07:05 PM Post #11826 |
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Considering retirement
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In a desperate search for moral equivalence part of Scottish society has to widen the immoral actions of RFC since 2000 to cross the boundary between sporting and business affairs. DD’s use of IOM tax base for one of his businesses could have been reported on general news, (but a rich man organises his tax affairs legally to reduce tax paid is hardly news is it? )So to make it such the issue is dragged into the sporting arena and broadcast in that context on BBC Sportsound. So in that sporting context it might be worth looking at what LNS said about the use of ebts by RFC at a time when HMRC were claiming that the way RFC used a legitimate tax reduction device was unlawful. [104] As we have already explained, in our view the purpose of the Rules applicable to Issues 1to 3 is to promote the sporting integrity of the game. These rules are not designed as any form of financial regulation of football, analogous to the UEFA Financial Fair Play Regulations. Thus it is not the purpose of the Rules to regulate how one football club may seek to gain financial and sporting advantage over others. Obviously, a successful club is able to generate more income from gate money, sponsorship, advertising, sale of branded goods and so on, and is consequently able to offer greater financial rewards to its manager and players, in the hope of even more31 success. Nor is it a breach of SPL or SFA Rules for a club to arrange its affairs – within the law– so as to minimise its tax liabilities. The Tax Tribunal has held (subject to appeal) that Oldco was acting within the law in setting up and operating the EBT scheme. The SPL presented no argument to challenge the decision of the majority of the Tax Tribunal and Mr McKenzie stated expressly that for all purposes of this Commission’s Inquiry and Determination the SPL accepted that decision as it stood, without regard to any possible appeal by HMRC. Accordingly we proceed on the basis that the EBT arrangements were lawful. What we are concerned with is the fact that the side-letters issued to the Specified Players, in the course of the operation of the EBT [Ends] Now as we all know HMRC were successful in their claim that RFC used ebts unlawfully and on that basis alone LNS should be revisited, but as it hasn’t been then (ironically) the LNS justification for the RFC use of ebts within a sporting context means that even if a sporting context did apply to DD’s tax arrangements (and it doesn’t) then quoting LNS as many RFC fans like to do when it suits, it is OK for DD to arrange his tax affairs within the law so as to minimise his tax liabilities. Herein lies the hypocrisy of the BBC in attempting to claim moral equivalence in a sporting context. It is more than hypocrisy, it is malevolent and unless Sportsound proceed to provide balance by for example a full programme covering the issues raised by the Offshore Game that they have studiously avoided so far, they will be in breach of BBC guidelines. If I were Celtic I would be taking the matter to the BBC Trust to review, not just this instance but BBC Sportsound’s proclivity under Kenny McIntyre to avoid balance on this issue as much as his club evaded tax. It is high time we took these guys on in their own backyard using the very rules they think do not apply to them. Its not just the BBC, its The Guardian, its STV News and its endemic over the Scottish media. Celtic need to set up the capacity to challenge every media attempt to blacken their name in the desperate attempts for moral equivalence, where those challenging Celtic sporting values would rather bring ours down than raise theirs up. Edited by Auldyin, 7 Nov 2017, 07:11 PM.
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| Jackie was my hero | 7 Nov 2017, 07:12 PM Post #11827 |
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Getting on a bit
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He has taken on the Swiss tax man, legally btw. Wtf it has to do with anyone in the UK is beyond me. |
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| VerdeYBlanco | 7 Nov 2017, 07:14 PM Post #11828 |
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Considering retirement
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Mark Daly posted on twitter that, to remind people that there's no bias, who broke the huns EBT story. |
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| popeyed | 7 Nov 2017, 07:25 PM Post #11829 |
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Climbing walls while sittin' in a chair.
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Phil? |
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| MBhoy1888 | 7 Nov 2017, 07:27 PM Post #11830 |
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Getting on a bit
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He ran a good program on the sexual abuse in football scandal too in which he confronted the stain on humanity that is Jim Torbett, the guy is a good commited investagitive journalist and Dermot's letter was a bit of a riddy tbh. Edited by MBhoy1888, 7 Nov 2017, 07:28 PM.
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| Mickeybhoy84 | 7 Nov 2017, 07:28 PM Post #11831 |
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Living the dream
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If he’s ripping off the UK tax authorities then I’d say the BBC have every right to go after him. He isn’t though so it shouldn’t be the main headline on the evening news. It’s isn’t even proper news. Is anyone surprised that a billionaire investment banker is exploiting tax loopholes? Did anyone actually think DD was above that sort of thing? |
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| LambertandButler | 7 Nov 2017, 07:30 PM Post #11832 |
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The Greek Finance Minister
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Exactly. Presumably people defending DD because there's no evidence he's done anything illegal would say the same for other people revealed as engaging in aggressive tax avoidance as well? The whole point about these schemes is that they are generally legal. That's the scandal. |
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| Wailer | 7 Nov 2017, 07:35 PM Post #11833 |
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Rebel music.
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The beeb said he'd done nothing wrong so why is an Irishman head story on a British news channel over the British head of state? No one is defending the tax loopholes they're only questioning the Scottish BBC agenda here. |
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| shug | 7 Nov 2017, 07:38 PM Post #11834 |
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Omar be jingling
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The Queens offshore scheme and DD’s company’s mechanism off having payments (relating to global function of company) allocated to the IOM entity are very different things. It’s the UK’s reluctance to do anything about the way the IOM runs its affairs is more the question id be asking if I was at the BBC. |
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| adammce | 7 Nov 2017, 07:41 PM Post #11835 |
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Send in....the clowns!
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Nope but it doesn't mean people should just look the other way when it turns out he's benefiting from stuff like this and is only helping to continue the divide in society due to people using these legal but contemptible practices. He deserves criticism for playing the game like every person who's rich enough not to have to do so. Being involved in this kind of shampoo is reprehensible. Stibhan said earlier on he was embarrassed to have Desmond involved with us; I'm the same. Just because he's in the mood for Celtic again after a few years off does not mean people should just avoid this story. Wonder if the criticism would be as light and so many people hiding behind 'aw its legal but' if this came out at the worst of the Deila era. People were noticing his less admirable qualities then a lot more often. Edited by adammce, 7 Nov 2017, 07:47 PM.
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| LambertandButler | 7 Nov 2017, 07:41 PM Post #11836 |
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The Greek Finance Minister
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I read the report on the web but I didn't see the tele news. Did they say he didn't do anything wrong or didn't do anything illegal? |
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| VerdeYBlanco | 7 Nov 2017, 07:46 PM Post #11837 |
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Considering retirement
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It certainly wasn't Daly He then went on to say that he meant publishing the names of the EBT recipients. Which, while might be true, it wasn't what he meant in his original tweet. |
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| VerdeYBlanco | 7 Nov 2017, 07:47 PM Post #11838 |
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Considering retirement
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Fecked up quote.
Edited by VerdeYBlanco, 7 Nov 2017, 07:49 PM.
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| Corky Buczek | 7 Nov 2017, 07:48 PM Post #11839 |
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Trolololo
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Did you watch the first documentary and subsequent UK News bulletins. They did lead with the Queen. |
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| VerdeYBlanco | 7 Nov 2017, 07:50 PM Post #11840 |
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Considering retirement
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He did, and fair play to him for that. But it has absolutely nothing to do with this story. As far as the 'riddy' goes, I'm sure DD will live with it. |
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