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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,433 Views)
NeilOMartin
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modest mouse
6 Nov 2017, 11:34 PM
maestromichael
6 Nov 2017, 11:22 PM
We can question individual or even corporate bbc motivations all day long but what the paradise papers clearly show is this world is full of already-rich people who think it's fine not to pay their taxes... it isn't fine, it's shameful (regardless of whether it can be cloaked in legality).

Wasn't ok when the huns did it to cheat their way to titles and isn't ok when DD does it to bolster his own bank balance.
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If there's legitimate questions to ask of Dermot Desmond then lets have them asked. Whataboutery is a pathetic reaction.

His connection with Celtic makes him a person of public interest. The point of the story is the shed a light on the lengths that the wealthy will go to avoid tax liabilities. If using an individual who is the major shareholder in the largest club in the country helps it make a story of greater interest to the public at large, by linking it to individuals whom they would already possess some knowledge of, then so be it.

This issue is far larger than the Scottish media's disdain for Celtic, and it is petty and parochial to bring that argument in here.
Ask the questions then. Doorstepping him outside the stadium on the night of our biggest game of the year is indeed a pathetic attempt to associate our club with the whole scandal.
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Brendan67
7 Nov 2017, 09:56 AM
Many on here were lapping Daly up when he was looking into EBTs and Craig Whyte. Yet he has the cheek to look at Desmond and it's simply a conspiracy aimed at Celtic. It's a major story Nationwide with certain famous people, Desmond included.

There's no agenda here
Out of everyone they could have chose though, they chose an Irishmen not paying enough tax in Switzerland?
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connorj
7 Nov 2017, 12:26 PM
fatboab
7 Nov 2017, 10:56 AM
Irishman who lives in Ireland, pays tax in Ireland ( :twitch: ), sets up Swiss Tax Scheme for Aircraft company he owns to lessen tax burden. Not really much to do with BBC Scotland, who currently employ at least two genuine tax dodgers. It was also pathetic the way they showed the whole story, but left it until the news recap to state that none of what DD was accused of was in any way illegal.



I'm sure he has a house in Ireland but I doubt very much that he's tax resident here.

This isn't really much of a story if it's legal. There's dodgier stuff in DD's past than this perfectly legal tax avoidance.
Isn't his company IIU registered in Ireland?
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7 Nov 2017, 11:17 AM
Anyone know if we have a press release at 18.00, this evening, and what it's about?

(Not related to above)
BR's going to Everton :cry:
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connorj
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CeltFromTheHills
7 Nov 2017, 12:35 PM
connorj
7 Nov 2017, 12:26 PM
fatboab
7 Nov 2017, 10:56 AM
Irishman who lives in Ireland, pays tax in Ireland ( :twitch: ), sets up Swiss Tax Scheme for Aircraft company he owns to lessen tax burden. Not really much to do with BBC Scotland, who currently employ at least two genuine tax dodgers. It was also pathetic the way they showed the whole story, but left it until the news recap to state that none of what DD was accused of was in any way illegal.



I'm sure he has a house in Ireland but I doubt very much that he's tax resident here.

This isn't really much of a story if it's legal. There's dodgier stuff in DD's past than this perfectly legal tax avoidance.
Isn't his company IIU registered in Ireland?
Probably, I'm sure he owns/has investments in multiple companies registered here.

I don't think himself personally is Irish tax resident though.
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Desmonds wealth really is eye watering though.
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So... These titles?

We still working away in the shadows or what?
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In case anyone was wondering (probably not), I had a wee look to see if I could find anything in the Irish press, but cant see anything about Desmond and the Paradise Papers at all. Some other Irish billionaires bought a plane and registered it in the Isle of Man to avoid having to pay Irish VAT, but Desmond doesnt seem newsworthy there.
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Mackin
7 Nov 2017, 01:13 PM
In case anyone was wondering (probably not), I had a wee look to see if I could find anything in the Irish press, but cant see anything about Desmond and the Paradise Papers at all. Some other Irish billionaires bought a plane and registered it in the Isle of Man to avoid having to pay Irish VAT, but Desmond doesnt seem newsworthy there.
one of the billionaires that registered the plane in the Isle of Man was Celtic shareholder Denis O'Brien.

Bono has been the main one mentioned in the news over here. Think he was involved with some Lithuanian company that was mentioned.
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Only in the DR would Celtic’s main shareholder doing this be a bigger issue than the queen doing it

Who is the bigger name in Scotland?

Dermot or Lizzie?

That’s why it’s an attempt to balance the whole tax/ebt shenanigans rather than report on what needs to be reported

I’m not defending DD it any of the mega rich the system is designed to protect - far from it - but front page of the DR when Lizzie is doing it too?
Edited by brian mclair's hair, 7 Nov 2017, 01:28 PM.
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I don't think any millionaire should be exempt from criticism in this case. The rich have always got richer and the poor have always got poorer since time began :nono: It is even more galling that more people are turning to food banks in this country by the day just to survive when millionaires and multi millionaires are trying to screw the system over for even more money. :nono: The only thing I would agree with is the apparent eagerness to highlight DD in the Record today when there are many others out there who have screwed the system for years but have generally got away with it due to the SMSM's failure to acknowledge it :angry:
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Completely separately, how effing far did Desmond have to walk to get into the ground? You'd think he'd have a chauffeur driven limo dropping him right off at the front door. :lol:

Come on, he's just one of us dontcha know. ;)

Incidentally, in support of Her Majesty's position in all of this, me and Mrs BC have private pensions, which an IFA spreads across a number of worldwide funds. We haven't a clue where. We could be funding ISIS and drug cartels for all we know. :lol:
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brian mclair's hair
7 Nov 2017, 01:27 PM
Only in the DR would Celtic’s main shareholder doing this be a bigger issue than the queen doing it

Who is the bigger name in Scotland?

Dermot or Lizzie?

That’s why it’s an attempt to balance the whole tax/ebt shenanigans rather than report on what needs to be reported

I’m not defending DD it any of the mega rich the system is designed to protect - far from it - but front page of the DR when Lizzie is doing it too?
The queen is no match for Bono in Ireland or DD here.
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7 Nov 2017, 01:36 PM
Completely separately, how effing far did Desmond have to walk to get into the ground? You'd think he'd have a chauffeur driven limo dropping him right off at the front door. :lol:

Come on, he's just one of us dontcha know. ;)

Incidentally, in support of Her Majesty's position in all of this, me and Mrs BC have private pensions, which an IFA spreads across a number of worldwide funds. We haven't a clue where. We could be funding ISIS and drug cartels for all we know. :lol:
But with all due respect mate, you're not our head of state.
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NeilOMartin
7 Nov 2017, 12:27 PM
modest mouse
6 Nov 2017, 11:34 PM
maestromichael
6 Nov 2017, 11:22 PM
We can question individual or even corporate bbc motivations all day long but what the paradise papers clearly show is this world is full of already-rich people who think it's fine not to pay their taxes... it isn't fine, it's shameful (regardless of whether it can be cloaked in legality).

Wasn't ok when the huns did it to cheat their way to titles and isn't ok when DD does it to bolster his own bank balance.
:theclap:

If there's legitimate questions to ask of Dermot Desmond then lets have them asked. Whataboutery is a pathetic reaction.

His connection with Celtic makes him a person of public interest. The point of the story is the shed a light on the lengths that the wealthy will go to avoid tax liabilities. If using an individual who is the major shareholder in the largest club in the country helps it make a story of greater interest to the public at large, by linking it to individuals whom they would already possess some knowledge of, then so be it.

This issue is far larger than the Scottish media's disdain for Celtic, and it is petty and parochial to bring that argument in here.
Ask the questions then. Doorstepping him outside the stadium on the night of our biggest game of the year is indeed a pathetic attempt to associate our club with the whole scandal.
Who gives a eff if they doorstep him outside CP? It's the role of a journalist to do that, and catching him unawares is all part of it. It's not as if it affected the team in any way.

I think if people are going to get annoyed (as I did) about the association our club had with 'Better Together', the Poppy Appeal, and John Reid, then it's fair kop.
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brian mclair's hair
7 Nov 2017, 01:27 PM
Only in the DR would Celtic’s main shareholder doing this be a bigger issue than the queen doing it

Who is the bigger name in Scotland?

Dermot or Lizzie?

That’s why it’s an attempt to balance the whole tax/ebt shenanigans rather than report on what needs to be reported

I’m not defending DD it any of the mega rich the system is designed to protect - far from it - but front page of the DR when Lizzie is doing it too?
TBH the Queen will be 2 days news with this. I fully expect her to be shifted from anywhere near the story a week from now.

The people at the top of these rags are part of the problem.
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dazabhoy67
7 Nov 2017, 02:05 PM
TBH the Queen will be 2 days news with this.
she didn't even survive a full morning. By half eight yesterday morning,they were dragging some old bint out the House of Entitled Arseholes to tell us how she'd know nothing about it and it would be her advisers who were at fault. Guess they didn't "advise" her.
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6 Nov 2017, 11:34 PM
maestromichael
6 Nov 2017, 11:22 PM
We can question individual or even corporate bbc motivations all day long but what the paradise papers clearly show is this world is full of already-rich people who think it's fine not to pay their taxes... it isn't fine, it's shameful (regardless of whether it can be cloaked in legality).

Wasn't ok when the huns did it to cheat their way to titles and isn't ok when DD does it to bolster his own bank balance.
:theclap:

If there's legitimate questions to ask of Dermot Desmond then lets have them asked. Whataboutery is a pathetic reaction.

His connection with Celtic makes him a person of public interest. The point of the story is the shed a light on the lengths that the wealthy will go to avoid tax liabilities. If using an individual who is the major shareholder in the largest club in the country helps it make a story of greater interest to the public at large, by linking it to individuals whom they would already possess some knowledge of, then so be it.

This issue is far larger than the Scottish media's disdain for Celtic, and it is petty and parochial to bring that argument in here.
So we focus on a non british tax payer and forget about all the british ones who have cost us a lot more? Strange way to make a point. In this example we are possibly talking about the swiss losing 1million, where we have individuals who must have cost close to half a billion staying out the press?
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connorj
7 Nov 2017, 01:23 PM
Mackin
7 Nov 2017, 01:13 PM
In case anyone was wondering (probably not), I had a wee look to see if I could find anything in the Irish press, but cant see anything about Desmond and the Paradise Papers at all. Some other Irish billionaires bought a plane and registered it in the Isle of Man to avoid having to pay Irish VAT, but Desmond doesnt seem newsworthy there.
one of the billionaires that registered the plane in the Isle of Man was Celtic shareholder Denis O'Brien.

Bono has been the main one mentioned in the news over here. Think he was involved with some Lithuanian company that was mentioned.
I knew I recognised that name. :thumbsup:
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There's a story with Dermot Desmond but it's not a particularly surprising one, really. Irish multi-billionaire take steps to minimise his tax liabilities. Well, of course he does.
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