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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,434 Views)
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Brendan67
7 Nov 2017, 09:56 AM
Many on here were lapping Daly up when he was looking into EBTs and Craig Whyte. Yet he has the cheek to look at Desmond and it's simply a conspiracy aimed at Celtic. It's a major story Nationwide with certain famous people, Desmond included.

There's no agenda here
Did Daly really look into EBTs?? 100% of the stuff in his program was out there he did feck all investigating. His persona of intrepid reporter doorstepping the bad guys gets on my tits especially when in this case the bad guy hasn't broken any rules is Irish and the so called wrong doing is in Switzerland. Mark Daly is smoke and mirrors, all show. Any so called exposes he's had have already been uncovered.
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7 Nov 2017, 10:28 AM
Brendan67
7 Nov 2017, 09:56 AM
Many on here were lapping Daly up when he was looking into EBTs and Craig Whyte. Yet he has the cheek to look at Desmond and it's simply a conspiracy aimed at Celtic. It's a major story Nationwide with certain famous people, Desmond included.

There's no agenda here
Did Daly really look into EBTs?? 100% of the stuff in his program was out there he did feck all investigating. His persona of intrepid reporter doorstepping the bad guys gets on my tits especially when in this case the bad guy hasn't broken any rules is Irish and the so called wrong doing is in Switzerland. Mark Daly is smoke and mirrors, all show. Any so called exposes he's had have already been uncovered.
I used to be a member of the Virgin gym in Finnieston which was used by Daly. Sometime after the programme on Whyte I chatted to him about it and asked if there were any plans to look into the whole Charles Green saga and he told me that "there was no appetite for it".

Sums BBC Scotland up when they can't be bothered looking into a far greater con than Whyte ever pulled.
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7 Nov 2017, 10:07 AM
Brendan67
7 Nov 2017, 09:56 AM
Many on here were lapping Daly up when he was looking into EBTs and Craig Whyte. Yet he has the cheek to look at Desmond and it's simply a conspiracy aimed at Celtic. It's a major story Nationwide with certain famous people, Desmond included.

There's no agenda here
Struggle to see how its a major uk story non uk citizen bumps the swiss tax system. I really dont think that was the big story yesterday.
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Irishman who lives in Ireland, pays tax in Ireland ( :twitch: ), sets up Swiss Tax Scheme for Aircraft company he owns to lessen tax burden. Not really much to do with BBC Scotland, who currently employ at least two genuine tax dodgers. It was also pathetic the way they showed the whole story, but left it until the news recap to state that none of what DD was accused of was in any way illegal.

Hypocritical cowards at best.



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6 Nov 2017, 11:38 PM
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6 Nov 2017, 09:26 PM

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For me this is a non story then. If he isn't breaking any laws it really shouldn't be part of some arbitrary morality investigation. You might not like the fact billionaires can use their clout to spread money here, there and everywhere to give themselves a smaller tax bill but the reality is, everyone from any walk of life would do the same if they could.

Someone on 30k a year has to give a sizeable wedge of their living to the government. If they could find a legal way to pay less I wouldn't blame them so with that in mind where is the line drawn? How much tax should any one person pay?

As I say it's entirely arbitrary.
"entirely abitrary"

So the practice of the mega rich, hiding their millions in bolt holes to avoid paying what for them would be meagre sums of cash in tax, at a time where there are people suffering at the hands of austerity cuts, people are losing their jobs or scared of losing them, homelessness is up in almost every European country, benefits are being slashed and in certain places, there is an outright humanitarian crisis.

Hardly really a trifling matter in that context is it?

All rules of governance are arbitrary, all political decisions are arbitrary. There's not some untouchable metaphysical law in the ether that governs how we should make decisions.
I hope these tax dodgers get their just desserts.
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Anyone know if we have a press release at 18.00, this evening, and what it's about?

(Not related to above)
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7 Nov 2017, 10:56 AM
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7 Nov 2017, 10:07 AM
Brendan67
7 Nov 2017, 09:56 AM
Many on here were lapping Daly up when he was looking into EBTs and Craig Whyte. Yet he has the cheek to look at Desmond and it's simply a conspiracy aimed at Celtic. It's a major story Nationwide with certain famous people, Desmond included.

There's no agenda here
Struggle to see how its a major uk story non uk citizen bumps the swiss tax system. I really dont think that was the big story yesterday.
:thumbsup:

Irishman who lives in Ireland, pays tax in Ireland ( :twitch: ), sets up Swiss Tax Scheme for Aircraft company he owns to lessen tax burden. Not really much to do with BBC Scotland, who currently employ at least two genuine tax dodgers. It was also pathetic the way they showed the whole story, but left it until the news recap to state that none of what DD was accused of was in any way illegal.

Hypocritical cowards at best.



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Nationwide story and front pages of the papers for the last few days and within the scope of that story is the majority shareholder of Scotland's biggest club.
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My issue with it is that it's "Irish owner of Celtic's old company is involved with Swiss aviation tax" rather than the The Queen of the country which is getting the news.

If you want a well known figurehead involved in the scandal then there's your bullseye there.
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Bodom Bhoy
7 Nov 2017, 11:29 AM
My issue with it is that it's "Irish owner of Celtic's old company is involved with Swiss aviation tax" rather than the The Queen of the country which is getting the news.

If you want a well known figurehead involved in the scandal then there's your bullseye there.
but Brenda didn't know where her money was being salted away. Obviously. :lol:

The speed with which her name was dropped from news bulletins is really sinister.
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Of course it's a story. If he doesn't want to be a story in Scotland, he can sell his shares in its biggest football club. Easy.

Daly is not a great journalist or anything but he's doing his job.
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7 Nov 2017, 11:28 AM
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7 Nov 2017, 10:56 AM
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7 Nov 2017, 10:07 AM

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Irishman who lives in Ireland, pays tax in Ireland ( :twitch: ), sets up Swiss Tax Scheme for Aircraft company he owns to lessen tax burden. Not really much to do with BBC Scotland, who currently employ at least two genuine tax dodgers. It was also pathetic the way they showed the whole story, but left it until the news recap to state that none of what DD was accused of was in any way illegal.

Hypocritical cowards at best.



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Nationwide story and front pages of the papers for the last few days and within the scope of that story is the majority shareholder of Scotland's biggest club.
It is a nationwide story that’s front page of the papers.
What people are highlighting is that the BBC have targeted a guy who pays his taxes in Ireland, who evidently also pays his taxes in Switzerland.
This guy used a legal loophole to save £1 million over a 3 year period in Swiss taxes.
The report that has been published details UK residence that have used similiar legal loopholes to avoid paying hundreds of millions in taxes to the UK.
The fact that the BBC have chosen to go after a guy who has used a loophole that effects Switzerland and not the UK is bizarre.
Surely you can understand people highlighting this?
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Typical muddying the waters and one is as bad as the other. Appalling reporting.
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maestromichael
7 Nov 2017, 01:18 AM
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7 Nov 2017, 12:27 AM
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6 Nov 2017, 11:59 PM

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It’s easy not to break any laws when you can exert control -directly or indirectly - over those making the laws. Do you think it’s some magic coincidence that these loopholes exist in order for ppl like DD and others to take advantage of?

‘You may not like Desmond’

Never met the guy.
Few quick points and then I'll shut my trap:

Think we can all agree there are those who would love to use this as a stick to beat Celtic with. It isn't and anyone playing that game will be seen for exactly what they are... and let's be honest we all know who they are.

This, however, is not a non-story. It is an important story that says much about the society we are and the establishment that oversees the rules by which we live. The revelations from these papers are entirely in the public interest. DD is but one of the individuals being named and this is also in the public interest. That he is our main shareholder is Imo a further point of interest and any Scottish journalists failing to mention that would be negligent by way of ommission. On the whole I'm not a fan of doorstepping but DD was apparently asked to comment on 5 previous occasions and declined. Almost all of the individuals on the main panorama who similarly declined were similarly doorstepped so he was hardly singled out.

The question of legality is an open one. When that lot used ebts these schemes were not illegal. It was their use of ebts under false pretext to evade paying tax that was illegal and HMRC had to endure 4 separate legal procedures to prove this. Currently no-one can accuse DD et al of illegality because there has been no challenge but that does not preclude a challenge taking place and them being ruled illegal down the line.

Finally, it has been suggested that our anger should be directed at those who leave these 'loopholes' and not those who merely exploit them. As modest has said and as the panorama show evidenced they are not distinct entities but rather all part of the same unvirtuous circle. In one example the lawyers and accountants who exploit these loopholes were in collusion with the legislature responsible for setting them out in law. It seems you really can make it up. The estimate for total tax unpaid by way of these schemes is 600 billion. As a last examplee this idea of 50 or 60% tax is wide of the mark. Apple paid just over 3% on total non-US earnings. I can't say what DD pays but if it's above 20% in total he's not half the businessman I suspect.
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7 Nov 2017, 10:10 AM
Brendan67
7 Nov 2017, 09:56 AM
Many on here were lapping Daly up when he was looking into EBTs and Craig Whyte. Yet he has the cheek to look at Desmond and it's simply a conspiracy aimed at Celtic. It's a major story Nationwide with certain famous people, Desmond included.

There's no agenda here
Yep. :thumbsup:
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7 Nov 2017, 10:56 AM
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7 Nov 2017, 10:07 AM
Brendan67
7 Nov 2017, 09:56 AM
Many on here were lapping Daly up when he was looking into EBTs and Craig Whyte. Yet he has the cheek to look at Desmond and it's simply a conspiracy aimed at Celtic. It's a major story Nationwide with certain famous people, Desmond included.

There's no agenda here
Struggle to see how its a major uk story non uk citizen bumps the swiss tax system. I really dont think that was the big story yesterday.
:thumbsup:

Irishman who lives in Ireland, pays tax in Ireland ( :twitch: ), sets up Swiss Tax Scheme for Aircraft company he owns to lessen tax burden. Not really much to do with BBC Scotland, who currently employ at least two genuine tax dodgers. It was also pathetic the way they showed the whole story, but left it until the news recap to state that none of what DD was accused of was in any way illegal.

Hypocritical cowards at best.



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Irishman who lives in Ireland, pays tax in Ireland ( :twitch: ), sets up Swiss Tax Scheme for Aircraft company he owns to lessen tax burden. Not really much to do with BBC Scotland


He's the biggest shareholder at the biggest club in what is far and away the most popular sport in the country, of course it's big news in Scotland.

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I wish everyone would stop bumping their gums on here about this and actually go and make a formal complaint to the BBC. If we really think that there is an agenda that is being pursued by BBC Scotland, then the only way it will change is to call them out on it. They are (supposedly) a public service broadcaster.
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6 Nov 2017, 11:43 PM
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Because his connection with Celtic is what makes it a story of greater public interest, and is the reason why he is known to a chunk of the population at large. Even to those who don't know him, his connection to Celtic gives him an identity.

It's not dragging Celtic into the scandal, it's putting a face on a story to give it greater relevance to people.
Sorry but I totally disagree
The biggest scandal in Scottish sporting history has been roundly ignored for over 5 years now and I haven’t seen Mark Daly or anyone else from the BBC doorstep David Murray, Graham Souness, Walter Smith or any other EBT recipient, they even have a few of them on the payroll
If the coverage was even handed I would agree with you though
Was it not Mark Daly who done the documentary on the whole EBT/Murray/BOS a few years back?

Might even have been him interviewing him for the "duped" interview?
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Nationwide story and front pages of the papers for the last few days and within the scope of that story is the majority shareholder of Scotland's biggest club.
It is a nationwide story that’s front page of the papers.
What people are highlighting is that the BBC have targeted a guy who pays his taxes in Ireland, who evidently also pays his taxes in Switzerland.
This guy used a legal loophole to save £1 million over a 3 year period in Swiss taxes.
The report that has been published details UK residence that have used similiar legal loopholes to avoid paying hundreds of millions in taxes to the UK.
The fact that the BBC have chosen to go after a guy who has used a loophole that effects Switzerland and not the UK is bizarre.
Surely you can understand people highlighting this?
All the while completely ignoring the likes of Murray, Smith, Souness and countless others who have been shown to be actually avoiding paying tax in this country.

Definitely no agenda, no siree.
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Its well known that I'm no fan of Desmond, but this story is nonsense. What does it have to do with a local broadcaster what a foreigner does with his money in a completely different foreign country? If the Swiss want to be up in arms about it, let them.

If there is anything in there about him fiddling UK taxes, get that exposed, then I'll join everyone else in being up in arms about it. Until then, I'm seeing this as nothing more than the Celtic-smearing story that it is.

Completely separately, how effing far did Desmond have to walk to get into the ground? You'd think he'd have a chauffeur driven limo dropping him right off at the front door. :lol:
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The only way to get interest in a story in this country is to link it to us or the huns so it's not a shock really. I'm sure Dermot won't lose any sleep over it.
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fatboab
7 Nov 2017, 10:56 AM
Irishman who lives in Ireland, pays tax in Ireland ( :twitch: ), sets up Swiss Tax Scheme for Aircraft company he owns to lessen tax burden. Not really much to do with BBC Scotland, who currently employ at least two genuine tax dodgers. It was also pathetic the way they showed the whole story, but left it until the news recap to state that none of what DD was accused of was in any way illegal.



I'm sure he has a house in Ireland but I doubt very much that he's tax resident here.

This isn't really much of a story if it's legal. There's dodgier stuff in DD's past than this perfectly legal tax avoidance.
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