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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,441 Views)
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weebaldy
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22 Sep 2017, 03:08 PM
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We Won the Big One-They Never Will!
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I've not got a clue about any legal matters and really appreciate Auldyin keeping us informed as to what's happening. Keep up the good work m8
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Busa Bhoy
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22 Sep 2017, 03:59 PM
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yip, thanks to auldyin and any other who are involved in all of this. as asked several times on this thread, is there anything us other less informed fans can do to assist?
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Broadly Equivalent Bhoy
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22 Sep 2017, 04:25 PM
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Speculation on Twitter that the SFA will announce on Monday that the Compliance Officer - the one who is severely conflicted- has decided that there will be no action taken re the 2011 licence.
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23 Sep 2017, 04:57 PM
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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John James / Aildheid.
The powerful 5 questions which take the SFA to task
Spoiler: click to toggle It has always been my custom to highlight the measured and eloquent comments of my readers. Those whom best capture the prevailing zeitgeist are given pride of place in an article with the prospect of being read by a wider audience. The following comment was not published on our site. It was published on SFM. I only drop by this site to ensure that I don’t miss anything by Auldheid, who has his finger on the pulse. I also skim through the mundane minutiae of other contributors, of whom I’m eternally grateful no longer comment on our site, to settle on an insight by Easyjambo. I have added one more name to my short list. That of Lugosi:
“As the SPFL perform an unexplained backward somersault on their previously stated position one is left to ponder on where we go from here. Auldheid is, as always, performing heroics keeping us up to speed in general terms and to him I am grateful. However, no matter which angle the matter is approached from or whichever aspect of the matter is found most egregious; be it the tax cheating, the lying, the concealment of documents, the inaction of authorities, the denials, the deflection, the spin, the fobbing off, the impact on other clubs, the extraction of fans’ money under false pretences, the Permarage, the ongoing sectarianism, racism and bigotry, the casual disregard for imperfectly registered players, the tolerance of certain individuals anywhere near the administration of a football business (other disgraces are available), certain things keep coming up. At the risk of underthinking I view the matter as nothing more than a jigsaw puzzle. It’s not even a particularly difficult jigsaw. The only problem is that we’ve been trying to complete the jigsaw while a number of the jigsaw pieces have been deliberately withheld from us. One of the pieces that is missing is that while the caravan has kept rolling the barking of certain dogs has been conspicuously absent.
I don’t think I have seen a reference to, far less heard a word from, Nicholas Stewart or Charles Flint in the last four and a half years.These gentlemen it will be recalled, or perhaps some wish you would not recall, comprised two-thirds of the Commission chaired by Lord Nimmo Smith. It will be recalled that the Commission Decision on 28th February 2013 was unanimous and accordingly none of the three Commission members displayed the testicular fortitude shown by Dr Heidi Poon in proceedings in another place. The question remains; no matter where we are is there anything to stop the three Commission members, all of whom hold/held the rank of Queen’s Counsel, from being asked to provide an Opinion on what they were told then and what we know now? If they want a Fee pay it; it’ll be buttons in the scheme of the shape of things to come. The learned gentlemen will know that one potential outcome, whether they wish to be amenable now or not, is that they may be cited to appear at a Judicial Review and be obliged to give evidence under oath when the same questions can be asked but this time the answers will have to be the truth, nothing but the truth and that oft overlooked part of the oath, the whole truth.
It might only be one piece of the jigsaw but it would put a lot of the “Lord Nimmo Smith said…” myth to bed.” For those of my readers not familiar with the concept of Permarage, the Urban Dictionary provides the following definition: Permarage: existing in a stage of permanent rage, to be permanantly raging. This is exclusively associated with the odious, bigoted, anti-catholic, sectarian supporters of Glasgow Rangers.” I have often had the feeling over the pas
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25 Sep 2017, 01:19 PM
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Surely the SFA have not been trying to mislead the media on the justification for awarding that 2011 UEFA Licence and so denying Celtic shareholders an honest attempt to get at the truth??
https://videocelts.com/2017/09/blogs/latest-news/will-the-guardian-return-to-the-2011-rangers-licence/ with a link to E Tims orginal.
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25 Sep 2017, 01:32 PM
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Thank you, bye-bye for calling
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- Auldyin
- 25 Sep 2017, 01:19 PM
Again - thanks for your tireless efforts Auldyin
Text only Videocelts version here:
Spoiler: click to toggle Will the Guardian salvage their reputation?
The Guardian likes to think that it is a cut above other publishers, an independent voice among vested interests that still upholds old fashioned values.
When it comes to big stories it does it’s research, takes it’s time and delivers when it is surer than sure that they have the story backed up by the facts, always from more than one source to prevent vested interests pushing a particular line.
In David Conn it has a respected champion in his field, someone that will spend time to get to the heart of a story and expose sporting wrong doing wherever it occurs. Sporting wrong doing is his speciality with FIFA, UEFA and the International Olympic Committee providing lots of scandal.
No news outlet is infallible however with long standing Celtic site Etims shining a light on the sort of coverage that had millions of Scottish people believing that Motherwell produced billionaires.
Piecing the story together it seems that The Guardian was fairly happy to accept the word of an SFA insider that all was well with the UEFA licence issued to Rangers (IL) in 2011.
Subsequent events have revealed that the old club from Ibrox were wholly dependent on next season’s Champions League money to pay last season’s bills. The SFA were well aware of that as they discussed the Wee Tax Case while the Schedule 36 notice served by HMRC in July 2009 highlighted their concerns about the economic gymnastics being performed by Andrew Dickson’s pay masters.
According to the SFA they were given documentation that the £2.8m owed to Her Majesty could be settled after 31st May 2011 ( following Whyte’s £1 payment for the distressed company) with the liability proved beyond all doubt.
In his rare comments on the subject Stewart Regan claimed that the bill hadn’t crystallised and that it was being debated by the new regime within Ibrox.
Covering the story in August 2016 Conn seems to have accepted the SFA line that all was in order regarding the UEFA licence.
One group of concerned Celtic shareholders had a different take on events and provided the SFA with enough evidence to show that the tax payable was overdue on 31 March 2011 when the licence was granted.
While the Resolution 12 team were dismissed as internet bampots they stuck by the facts, picking holes in almost every aspect of the case put forward by the SFA.
When Craig Whyte appeared in court earlier this year witness after witness explained how the £2.8m tax bill had been due from November 2010 despite Dave Murray trying to hide it from Whyte’s legal team.
Belatedly the SFA have admitted that in the last decade they may have been guilty of one failure of governance- over the 2011 licence given to Rangers.
The evidence is overwhelming, almost all of those involved in the decision still hold positions of power in the Scottish game from Regan to Dickson.
Their Scottish sales may mean next to nothing to them but with a little research and a few well researched questions The Guardian could bring the Hampden Park pack of cards crashing to earth.
If it was the FA in England The Guardian wouldn’t flinch but will they return to Regan after being duped by an un-named SFA insider in 2016?
CLICK HERE for the full story on Etims
ETims here:
Spoiler: click to toggle Whilst not going anywhere near far enough into looking into the events surrounding the granting of a licence to Rangers which allowed them to compete in the UEFA Champions League back in 2011, at least the SFA are asking their compliance officer to look into it.
Lets hope he doesn’t miss anything.
Lets hope he can find that letter from HMRC that clears everything up…
You know, this one… cited in a Guardian article by David Conn on august 5, 2016;
The argument is that in breach of Uefa rules against clubs having overdue tax payable, Rangers owed £2.8m on a discounted options scheme following a successful HMRC challenge known as the “wee tax case”.
The SFA is adamant its committee which considered the licence dealt with the issue thoroughly and received the necessary evidence the tax was not overdue according to Uefa rules. One informed source involved with the issue at the time, who did not want to speak publicly owing to continuing criminal proceedings against Whyte arising out of his tenure at Rangers, said that at the initial deadline, 31 March 2011, HMRC had agreed that the £2.8m did not need to be paid until after his May 2011 takeover.
Before subsequent 30 June and 30 September deadlines, Rangers, by then owned by Whyte, are understood to have told the SFA they were in discussions with HMRC over the money owed. Uefa rules allow tax not to be treated as “overdue” where there is a written agreement with the tax authority for payment to be extended.
The SFA, although declining to disclose details of the documentation it received, citing confidentiality with its member clubs, told the Guardian via a spokesperson: “The Scottish FA has always been clear the licensing award issued to Rangers in 2011 by the licensing committee was correct. The process is audited on an annual basis by Uefa.”
Uefa, pressed on the issue again recently, said: “The licence for the 2011-12 season was granted by the SFA and there was no reason for Uefa to doubt this decision.”
No one seems bothered by who at UEFA said this.
I am.
And also who at the SFA cleared the application.
Again, I am.
Uefa has said it has no need to investigate further if the tax was in fact overdue according to its definition, because after that season, Rangers’ fate anyway equated to a sanction for breach of the rules: they could not play in European competition for the following three years. HMRC, taking a stern view of clubs defaulting on tax, declined to approve a company voluntary arrangement with creditors and Rangers went into liquidation. The assets bought via a new company, Sevco Scotland Limited, Rangers were not accepted into the SPL, and the SFL insisted the club had to start from the bottom, in the third division.
That informed source…one wonders who it could be..
And if the SFA do have this unpublished communication, why bother investigating ?
Why not just publish ?
Surely Conn himself would have asked to see it, to verify its existence before going on to claim its existence ?
Isn’t that what journalists do, even if they work for the paper which pulled the initial Resolution 12 advert, for whatever reason they felt was fit ?
I bet I’m worrying about nothing and the Guardian are about to run an exclusive from Conn that clears the whole thing up….and dismisses any ravings from the Resolution 12 guys that there were any sort of shennanigans at all…
Lets tie that in with the source who gave Grant Russell the Traverso (UEFA ) letter which stated that as a new club “rangers ” couldn’t compete in Europe anyway, and punishment for them was inappropriate.
Russell, as we know, published a slightly different version of that letter, claiming he received it direct from Traverso as a result of his questions on the issue.
Which, again, as we know, is bollocks. Otherwise he would have reminded us of that correspondence.
Who told Conn about the unpublished HMRC letter that absolves the SFA of any wrongdoing ?
Conn must be surprised that the SFA are investigating something that they told him was all tickety boo, and will no doubt come out and remind his readers, and the rest of us, that he was assured there was nothing to worry about.
Whats the point of having these connections in high places if all they do is ingest laxatives and stand over you with their legs wide apart ?
Surely when he was asked by the Offshore Game to verify his story, then he would have backed it up ?
And perhaps,as the Offshore Game pointed out in November 2016, even forward this information to the Nimmo smith commission, where it appears not to have been considered..
Following the publication of the Offshore Game report earlier this year the SFA told David Conn that the federation was well aware of the ‘Wee Tax Case’ and was in fact in possession of further documentation that showed that the club had been given time to pay by HMRC, which meant that the club would be allowed to play in Europe under UEFA rules (that explanation in itself is suspicious, given further evidence available to the report writers, but is not the subject of this article).
The problem was that in the end, Rangers never did pay, and HMRC pursued the club for repayment through the courts, which was a significant cause of the club’s later bankruptcy proceedings which triggered the Nimmo Smith commission.
This raises the question, if the SFA knew all about the “Wee Tax Case”, and in fact had even more documentation about it than anyone else has seen, why did they not alert the Nimmo Smith commission to this?
Daryl Broadfoot was director of Communications at the time, and its logical to assume he was, er, directing communications.
Hey, there’s another thing-given that the SFA received a copy of the Traverso letter, why didn’t Broadfoot put Russell right on a few things ?
Such as the contents of the letter ?
Or did he give him the edited version that appeared in the STV report which “finally put the new club myth to bed ” (paraphrasing ) .
In January 2017, Daryl Broadfoot announced he was leaving the SFA, just a few months after the Conn article.
Thankfully, he’s back on the scene now, working in PR.
One image he could work on is his own, and maybe lend a hand to David Conn, who could do with a wee credibility boost.
All they have to do is dig out that letter….
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Luigi
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25 Sep 2017, 05:57 PM
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- 25 Sep 2017, 01:32 PM
- Auldyin
- 25 Sep 2017, 01:19 PM
Again - thanks for your tireless efforts Auldyin Text only Videocelts version here: Spoiler: click to toggle Will the Guardian salvage their reputation?
The Guardian likes to think that it is a cut above other publishers, an independent voice among vested interests that still upholds old fashioned values.
When it comes to big stories it does it’s research, takes it’s time and delivers when it is surer than sure that they have the story backed up by the facts, always from more than one source to prevent vested interests pushing a particular line.
In David Conn it has a respected champion in his field, someone that will spend time to get to the heart of a story and expose sporting wrong doing wherever it occurs. Sporting wrong doing is his speciality with FIFA, UEFA and the International Olympic Committee providing lots of scandal.
No news outlet is infallible however with long standing Celtic site Etims shining a light on the sort of coverage that had millions of Scottish people believing that Motherwell produced billionaires.
Piecing the story together it seems that The Guardian was fairly happy to accept the word of an SFA insider that all was well with the UEFA licence issued to Rangers (IL) in 2011.
Subsequent events have revealed that the old club from Ibrox were wholly dependent on next season’s Champions League money to pay last season’s bills. The SFA were well aware of that as they discussed the Wee Tax Case while the Schedule 36 notice served by HMRC in July 2009 highlighted their concerns about the economic gymnastics being performed by Andrew Dickson’s pay masters.
According to the SFA they were given documentation that the £2.8m owed to Her Majesty could be settled after 31st May 2011 ( following Whyte’s £1 payment for the distressed company) with the liability proved beyond all doubt.
In his rare comments on the subject Stewart Regan claimed that the bill hadn’t crystallised and that it was being debated by the new regime within Ibrox.
Covering the story in August 2016 Conn seems to have accepted the SFA line that all was in order regarding the UEFA licence.
One group of concerned Celtic shareholders had a different take on events and provided the SFA with enough evidence to show that the tax payable was overdue on 31 March 2011 when the licence was granted.
While the Resolution 12 team were dismissed as internet bampots they stuck by the facts, picking holes in almost every aspect of the case put forward by the SFA.
When Craig Whyte appeared in court earlier this year witness after witness explained how the £2.8m tax bill had been due from November 2010 despite Dave Murray trying to hide it from Whyte’s legal team.
Belatedly the SFA have admitted that in the last decade they may have been guilty of one failure of governance- over the 2011 licence given to Rangers.
The evidence is overwhelming, almost all of those involved in the decision still hold positions of power in the Scottish game from Regan to Dickson.
Their Scottish sales may mean next to nothing to them but with a little research and a few well researched questions The Guardian could bring the Hampden Park pack of cards crashing to earth.
If it was the FA in England The Guardian wouldn’t flinch but will they return to Regan after being duped by an un-named SFA insider in 2016?
CLICK HERE for the full story on Etims ETims here: Spoiler: click to toggle Whilst not going anywhere near far enough into looking into the events surrounding the granting of a licence to Rangers which allowed them to compete in the UEFA Champions League back in 2011, at least the SFA are asking their compliance officer to look into it.
Lets hope he doesn’t miss anything.
Lets hope he can find that letter from HMRC that clears everything up…
You know, this one… cited in a Guardian article by David Conn on august 5, 2016;
The argument is that in breach of Uefa rules against clubs having overdue tax payable, Rangers owed £2.8m on a discounted options scheme following a successful HMRC challenge known as the “wee tax case”.
The SFA is adamant its committee which considered the licence dealt with the issue thoroughly and received the necessary evidence the tax was not overdue according to Uefa rules. One informed source involved with the issue at the time, who did not want to speak publicly owing to continuing criminal proceedings against Whyte arising out of his tenure at Rangers, said that at the initial deadline, 31 March 2011, HMRC had agreed that the £2.8m did not need to be paid until after his May 2011 takeover.
Before subsequent 30 June and 30 September deadlines, Rangers, by then owned by Whyte, are understood to have told the SFA they were in discussions with HMRC over the money owed. Uefa rules allow tax not to be treated as “overdue” where there is a written agreement with the tax authority for payment to be extended.
The SFA, although declining to disclose details of the documentation it received, citing confidentiality with its member clubs, told the Guardian via a spokesperson: “The Scottish FA has always been clear the licensing award issued to Rangers in 2011 by the licensing committee was correct. The process is audited on an annual basis by Uefa.”
Uefa, pressed on the issue again recently, said: “The licence for the 2011-12 season was granted by the SFA and there was no reason for Uefa to doubt this decision.”
No one seems bothered by who at UEFA said this.
I am.
And also who at the SFA cleared the application.
Again, I am.
Uefa has said it has no need to investigate further if the tax was in fact overdue according to its definition, because after that season, Rangers’ fate anyway equated to a sanction for breach of the rules: they could not play in European competition for the following three years. HMRC, taking a stern view of clubs defaulting on tax, declined to approve a company voluntary arrangement with creditors and Rangers went into liquidation. The assets bought via a new company, Sevco Scotland Limited, Rangers were not accepted into the SPL, and the SFL insisted the club had to start from the bottom, in the third division.
That informed source…one wonders who it could be..
And if the SFA do have this unpublished communication, why bother investigating ?
Why not just publish ?
Surely Conn himself would have asked to see it, to verify its existence before going on to claim its existence ?
Isn’t that what journalists do, even if they work for the paper which pulled the initial Resolution 12 advert, for whatever reason they felt was fit ?
I bet I’m worrying about nothing and the Guardian are about to run an exclusive from Conn that clears the whole thing up….and dismisses any ravings from the Resolution 12 guys that there were any sort of shennanigans at all…
Lets tie that in with the source who gave Grant Russell the Traverso (UEFA ) letter which stated that as a new club “rangers ” couldn’t compete in Europe anyway, and punishment for them was inappropriate.
Russell, as we know, published a slightly different version of that letter, claiming he received it direct from Traverso as a result of his questions on the issue.
Which, again, as we know, is bollocks. Otherwise he would have reminded us of that correspondence.
Who told Conn about the unpublished HMRC letter that absolves the SFA of any wrongdoing ?
Conn must be surprised that the SFA are investigating something that they told him was all tickety boo, and will no doubt come out and remind his readers, and the rest of us, that he was assured there was nothing to worry about.
Whats the point of having these connections in high places if all they do is ingest laxatives and stand over you with their legs wide apart ?
Surely when he was asked by the Offshore Game to verify his story, then he would have backed it up ?
And perhaps,as the Offshore Game pointed out in November 2016, even forward this information to the Nimmo smith commission, where it appears not to have been considered..
Following the publication of the Offshore Game report earlier this year the SFA told David Conn that the federation was well aware of the ‘Wee Tax Case’ and was in fact in possession of further documentation that showed that the club had been given time to pay by HMRC, which meant that the club would be allowed to play in Europe under UEFA rules (that explanation in itself is suspicious, given further evidence available to the report writers, but is not the subject of this article).
The problem was that in the end, Rangers never did pay, and HMRC pursued the club for repayment through the courts, which was a significant cause of the club’s later bankruptcy proceedings which triggered the Nimmo Smith commission.
This raises the question, if the SFA knew all about the “Wee Tax Case”, and in fact had even more documentation about it than anyone else has seen, why did they not alert the Nimmo Smith commission to this?
Daryl Broadfoot was director of Communications at the time, and its logical to assume he was, er, directing communications.
Hey, there’s another thing-given that the SFA received a copy of the Traverso letter, why didn’t Broadfoot put Russell right on a few things ?
Such as the contents of the letter ?
Or did he give him the edited version that appeared in the STV report which “finally put the new club myth to bed ” (paraphrasing ) .
In January 2017, Daryl Broadfoot announced he was leaving the SFA, just a few months after the Conn article.
Thankfully, he’s back on the scene now, working in PR.
One image he could work on is his own, and maybe lend a hand to David Conn, who could do with a wee credibility boost.
All they have to do is dig out that letter….
Wish I had seen these spoilers before trying to negotiate that site
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27 Sep 2017, 11:48 PM
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Bump. Don't like to see this disappear off the first page. Any news on the possible JR?
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aldo
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28 Sep 2017, 01:33 PM
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And that's the way we like it...
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Bump. Don't like to see this disappear off the first page. Any news on the possible JR? He's being lined up to replace Pedro...
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28 Sep 2017, 04:45 PM
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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lol there's Pistol Pete popping up in the wake of a cracking win. Fair enough it's to praise Brendan but bit of a cheek to drag up the fact it was Ronny's squad, he feckin' hired him.
https://stv.tv/sport/football/1398764-lawwell-rodgers-has-done-incredible-job-with-deila-s-squad/
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28 Sep 2017, 05:09 PM
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Aye.
I'm scratching my head as to why he would mention that & what purpose or benefit of doing so .
Was he having a go at Ronnie? Or simply telling us BR is a wonderful manager.
Timing was slightly strange and as you say Smiley..he fecking got him in...
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28 Sep 2017, 05:24 PM
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Billy McNeill - "Mr Celtic"
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- 28 Sep 2017, 04:45 PM
Aye. I'm scratching my head as to why he would mention that & what purpose or benefit of doing so . Was he having a go at Ronnie? Or simply telling us BR is a wonderful manager. Timing was slightly strange and as you say Smiley..he fecking got him in... He knows the flack around the Deila appointment and the general consensus is that "He got away with it" and he will argue the history books show his choice of Manager won the two league titles.
He may be trying to hint (wrongly0 that his choice of Ronny wasn't so bad after all - Brendan Rodgers is a the Real Deal and the transformation is down to him alone and is despite what he was left with by Deila not benefitting from it - Look how much dross he has got out the door in two windows and players like Amrstrong, McGregor and Boyata are operating at a completely different level since Rodgers has been working with them.
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28 Sep 2017, 06:12 PM
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- 28 Sep 2017, 04:45 PM
Aye. I'm scratching my head as to why he would mention that & what purpose or benefit of doing so . Was he having a go at Ronnie? Or simply telling us BR is a wonderful manager. Timing was slightly strange and as you say Smiley..he fecking got him in... I thought he was simply praising BR for his ability to improve players, as many of them (Boyata, Forrest, Gordon, Armstrong, McGregor) have come on in leaps and bounds under his management.
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28 Sep 2017, 06:27 PM
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Lawwell's STV interview was in Abercrombie St, across the road from St Mary's Church. Wonder if he was there regarding the Famine memorial?
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28 Sep 2017, 08:31 PM
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Aye. I'm scratching my head as to why he would mention that & what purpose or benefit of doing so . Was he having a go at Ronnie? Or simply telling us BR is a wonderful manager. Timing was slightly strange and as you say Smiley..he fecking got him in...
I thought he was simply praising BR for his ability to improve players, as many of them (Boyata, Forrest, Gordon, Armstrong, McGregor) have come on in leaps and bounds under his management.
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4 Oct 2017, 02:41 PM
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Heavy pro sevco SMSM propaganda drive, FA and the League kicking review of Huns EBT and licencing issues into touch.
Is the judicial review a non runner then ?
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4 Oct 2017, 03:18 PM
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- Lobey Dosser
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Heavy pro sevco SMSM propaganda drive, FA and the League kicking review of Huns EBT and licencing issues into touch.
Is the judicial review a non runner then ?
Be good to get an update on where we're at from those ITK.
Any news?
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Willie Wonka
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4 Oct 2017, 04:20 PM
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Slavery fled, oh glorious dead
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- Lobey Dosser
- 4 Oct 2017, 02:41 PM
Heavy pro sevco SMSM propaganda drive, FA and the League kicking review of Huns EBT and licencing issues into touch.
Is the judicial review a non runner then ?
I would think that would make it more likely?
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Mackin
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5 Oct 2017, 02:23 PM
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Been well behind on this news in the past month with being on holiday and then mega busy with work so only just catching up on everything.
It looks like this is now all down to us, form what I can see we've tried to avoid it turning into a Celtic v Rangers thing, but eff it, it is a Celtic v Rangers thing. We were cheated the most for nearly 15 years, I dont care how its portrayed, I just want justice.
Unfortunately, everything seems to have gone quiet again. Is there any update likely any time soon on the next steps?
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7 Oct 2017, 02:58 PM
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Just been reading this post from Ned Rise from a few weeks back http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=30551510&t=11033511
Really hope we don't let this go but beginning to think that folk have lost the appetite for it.
Any updates?
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