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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
Topic Started: 15 Jul 2014, 12:03 AM (1,414,968 Views)
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I suggested on Twitter that, "Is it time for a Mars Bar aff Lawwell's napper in the director's box, as the only way the 'new' board are going to get the message?"

And then got re-tweeted by 'Win 100 Mars Bars' :lol:
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Belgrano
7 Aug 2014, 02:41 PM
I suggested on Twitter that, "Is it time for a Mars Bar aff Lawwell's napper in the director's box, as the only way the 'new' board are going to get the message?"

And then got re-tweeted by 'Win 100 Mars Bars' :lol:
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7 Aug 2014, 02:41 PM
I suggested on Twitter that, "Is it time for a Mars Bar aff Lawwell's napper in the director's box, as the only way the 'new' board are going to get the message?"

And then got re-tweeted by 'Win 100 Mars Bars' :lol:
:lol:

The hail (hail) of confectionery launched at the director's box when we went 0-3 down to the huns at NY (they had also missed 2 other sitters, about 20 mins in IIRC?) was one of the strangest moments I've ever had at a game. It wasn't the end, but it was certainly the beginning of the end. Main stand punters generally didn't do :pitchfork:

Lawwell should take note of the knee-jerk reaction last night when the 2nd went in, nobody shouted at the defence, the manager etc, it was straight to Lawwell GTF.
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I cannot see how in any line of work, a man responsible for causing his company to lose £20m can remain in a job.

Lawwell not only failed to ensure sufficient investment in the playing squad (for the second season running), but he also put together a diabolical pre season tour 'plan' that involved us bunny hopping between countries to play pointless games.

He then gave away the keys to our own stadium for the month, ensuring that should we struggle away from home in Champions League qualifiers, we wouldn't have the safety net of going back to Celtic Park to salvage a result.

And for what end? Money? Money for what?

It sure as shampoo aint money for investing in the team.

The new manager has been in the door for 2 months now, and not a single effing penny has been spent.

Sorry, but Lawwell has to go. His job is to steer this club in the right direction and he has cataclysmically effed that up, set us back a number of years and cost us an absolute fortune in the process.

And this guy earns £1m per year for the privilege.

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7 Aug 2014, 02:57 PM
I cannot see how in any line of work, a man responsible for causing his company to lose £20m can remain in a job.

Lawwell not only failed to ensure sufficient investment in the playing squad (for the second season running), but he also put together a diabolical pre season tour 'plan' that involved us bunny hopping between countries to play pointless games.

He then gave away the keys to our own stadium for the month, ensuring that should we struggle away from home in Champions League qualifiers, we wouldn't have the safety net of going back to Celtic Park to salvage a result.

And for what end? Money? Money for what?

It sure as shampoo aint money for investing in the team.

The new manager has been in the door for 2 months now, and not a single effing penny has been spent.

Sorry, but Lawwell has to go. His job is to steer this club in the right direction and he has cataclysmically effed that up, set us back a number of years and cost us an absolute fortune in the process.

And this guy earns £1m per year for the privilege.

Agree but then to what extent is Desmond and the board responsible for PL ?
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7 Aug 2014, 03:00 PM
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7 Aug 2014, 02:57 PM
I cannot see how in any line of work, a man responsible for causing his company to lose £20m can remain in a job.

Lawwell not only failed to ensure sufficient investment in the playing squad (for the second season running), but he also put together a diabolical pre season tour 'plan' that involved us bunny hopping between countries to play pointless games.

He then gave away the keys to our own stadium for the month, ensuring that should we struggle away from home in Champions League qualifiers, we wouldn't have the safety net of going back to Celtic Park to salvage a result.

And for what end? Money? Money for what?

It sure as shampoo aint money for investing in the team.

The new manager has been in the door for 2 months now, and not a single effing penny has been spent.

Sorry, but Lawwell has to go. His job is to steer this club in the right direction and he has cataclysmically effed that up, set us back a number of years and cost us an absolute fortune in the process.

And this guy earns £1m per year for the privilege.

Agree but then to what extent is Desmond and the board responsible for PL ?
Not sure about the rest of the board and what roles they fulfill, but I'd imagine Desmond doesn't really stick his nose into the daily runnings of the club.

In all seriousness though, there really should be more fan movement directed towards getting Lawwell out of the club. This is gross mismanagement from a guy on £1 million per year, and he is directly responsible for the mess we're in. And paying supporters are footing the bill for it all.
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7 Aug 2014, 01:01 PM
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7 Aug 2014, 12:46 PM
I seem to recall similar threads after Artmedia and Ross County. One difference between this weeks rantings and the Ross Co. example is that the absolute villain of the piece then was one Georgios Samaras. In both cases the manager - in time - turned things around and we enjoyed a degree of success at home and in Europe.

I always felt when Deila was appointed that there were players in the squad who simply could not or would not accept the development model put forward by both Ronny and John Collins i.e. if you work harder at your profession then you might/will get better.

At this point in time we are seeing the truth of this and the stuff about 'players revolts' and 'murmurings' are testament to it. I hope that Celtic have the bottle to see this project through and that those who are incapable of accepting this philosophy are shipped out and willing replacements brought in.

As for Ewan Cameron and his ilk, they are loving our present difficulties and will do all that they can to foment discord amongst the support. I noted his comment at the end of his article:

'If Celtic had a superb youth model which offset such circumstances, there would be less of an issue. They don’t.'

I would ask when he last watched any Celtic Youth side in action. They may not be Barcelona but they are without doubt the best that Scotland has to offer and with proper coaching and a commitment to playing them as a matter of development and not simply because someone is injured or the opposition is less than stellar some of them may grow into players of stature.

Time will tell but the knee jerk reactions in this thread are pathetic.
Im not a fan of Ewan Murray at all-a more cynical and negative sports journalist Ive yet to read but his piece is bang on how it is.
Ewan Murray is the Mark Lawrenson of sports hackdom. Unless it's Hertz or golf, he is usually grey and cloudy. (Although rightly so in this piece)
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7 Aug 2014, 02:57 PM
I cannot see how in any line of work, a man responsible for causing his company to lose £20m can remain in a job.

Lawwell not only failed to ensure sufficient investment in the playing squad (for the second season running), but he also put together a diabolical pre season tour 'plan' that involved us bunny hopping between countries to play pointless games.

He then gave away the keys to our own stadium for the month, ensuring that should we struggle away from home in Champions League qualifiers, we wouldn't have the safety net of going back to Celtic Park to salvage a result.

And for what end? Money? Money for what?

It sure as shampoo aint money for investing in the team.

The new manager has been in the door for 2 months now, and not a single effing penny has been spent.

Sorry, but Lawwell has to go. His job is to steer this club in the right direction and he has cataclysmically effed that up, set us back a number of years and cost us an absolute fortune in the process.

And this guy earns £1m per year for the privilege.

Agree but then to what extent is Desmond and the board responsible for PL ?
Not sure about the rest of the board and what roles they fulfill, but I'd imagine Desmond doesn't really stick his nose into the daily runnings of the club.

In all seriousness though, there really should be more fan movement directed towards getting Lawwell out of the club. This is gross mismanagement from a guy on £1 million per year, and he is directly responsible for the mess we're in. And paying supporters are footing the bill for it all.
I am just angry at him now because there is evidence of a serious eff up on his part.
He cant really spin this any other way because he has cost the club a lot of money by gambling that the team could scrape through the qualifiers.

I think he has repeatedly failed to find the correct balance between profit and investment.
We should be able to assemble a squad that can get to the groups.

But I really don't know how much the board / DD are behind PL.
They must know whats been happening
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It isn't really strange at all. If you have the financial/ geographical ability, and are interested in supporting Celtic, then the last four years of Neil Lennon's tenure as manager have produced some amazing highs, and are not short on spectacular lows either. If you haven't found reason to support the club financially during these years, then I doubt you ever will .
Celtic depend on financial support from the fanbase. It's how we try to compete with the obscene monies available in the big Leagues of Europe. If you choose not to put your hand in your pocket, that's fine. I'd be curious to know in what other ways you support the team.
I don't think that it's necessary to justify myself to you, but if it makes you happy; as I live in London, I'm not minded to blow my spare cash on going up to games when the board refuse to invest in the squad.

This :thumbsup:
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That's your opinion, you're entitled to it. Interesting that in your opinion, one has to give some sort of financial backing to be counted as a supporter. Fair enough, seems a little odd to me.
If we didn't give financial backing their would be no Celtic for you to be a fan of.
Perhaps the board may see the half empty stadium and emptying by the season and finally decide to invest and get the support interested once more. I am another who will not be giving this board my cash until big changes are made.
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7 Aug 2014, 02:57 PM
I cannot see how in any line of work, a man responsible for causing his company to lose £20m can remain in a job.

Lawwell not only failed to ensure sufficient investment in the playing squad (for the second season running), but he also put together a diabolical pre season tour 'plan' that involved us bunny hopping between countries to play pointless games.

He then gave away the keys to our own stadium for the month, ensuring that should we struggle away from home in Champions League qualifiers, we wouldn't have the safety net of going back to Celtic Park to salvage a result.

And for what end? Money? Money for what?

It sure as shampoo aint money for investing in the team.

The new manager has been in the door for 2 months now, and not a single effing penny has been spent.

Sorry, but Lawwell has to go. His job is to steer this club in the right direction and he has cataclysmically effed that up, set us back a number of years and cost us an absolute fortune in the process.

And this guy earns £1m per year for the privilege.

Agree. 100%.

It actually isn't the first time he has caused the company to lose £20M either.
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Personally I don't think it's fair to question anyone on why they do/don't, can/can't, will/won't go to watch Celtic.

The various reasons will undoubtedly include financial/geographical/family/employment reasons.

In addition, there will be a fair few who decide not to pay to watch a substandard form of 'entertainment'.

If some people want tickets to see Celtic play Barca but turn down tickets to see Raith Rovers, who can blame them for 'gloryhunting'.

For example I don't go to the cinema very often but when I do, it's because there is something I would really like to watch, the same goes for watching live bands. No one questions why I'm not supporting Scottish cinema or Scottish music, they understand the right to pick and choose, and pay to see something you hope will be entertaining.

The reason to want to see Barca is two fold, you are paying to see a quality side with world famous stars, on the other hand if Celtic win, you've been to see your team defeat one of the greatest teams.

That's not to say you won't get an exciting game against Raith now and again but it's fairly obvious Barca are the bigger draw.

I've said before, people will always pick and choose which games to attend but if the product on the pitch was of a (much) higher standard, then the chances are fans would attend in higher numbers than they have been, and as expected, will be for the following season.

The actions of the board have created an apathy around Celtic that I've never seen in my time as a fan.

In the 80's we had teams of quality on the pitch.
The 90's we still attended because we felt the team could put an end to the huns run, and TB had a few world class players who anyone would pay to watch.
Mon's team was simply fantastic and we had a team packed with players who could play at the highest level.
Strachan had less quality but with Boruc, McDonald, JvH, McGeady and Naka we still had real quality when it mattered.
Lennons side achieved similar success but with the loss of our best striker in almost 10 years (Hooper), our best defensive mid in a long time (Vic) and with the money from Ki, McGeady, Vic and Hooper never really returned to the team then it's no wonder the fans are now turning away.

Make no mistake, this is down to the board failing to support and finance the management and therefore failing to show respect to the fans.

They will learn very quickly this year, that you reap what you sow.
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Make no mistake, this is down to the board failing to support and finance the management and therefore failing to show respect to the fans.

They will learn very quickly this year, that you reap what you sow.
Sadly I think you give them to much credit.
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Personally I don't think it's fair to question anyone on why they do/don't, can/can't, will/won't go to watch Celtic.

The various reasons will undoubtedly include financial/geographical/family/employment reasons.

In addition, there will be a fair few who decide not to pay to watch a substandard form of 'entertainment'.

If some people want tickets to see Celtic play Barca but turn down tickets to see Raith Rovers, who can blame them for 'gloryhunting'.

For example I don't go to the cinema very often but when I do, it's because there is something I would really like to watch, the same goes for watching live bands. No one questions why I'm not supporting Scottish cinema or Scottish music, they understand the right to pick and choose, and pay to see something you hope will be entertaining.

The reason to want to see Barca is two fold, you are paying to see a quality side with world famous stars, on the other hand if Celtic win, you've been to see your team defeat one of the greatest teams.

That's not to say you won't get an exciting game against Raith now and again but it's fairly obvious Barca are the bigger draw.

I've said before, people will always pick and choose which games to attend but if the product on the pitch was of a (much) higher standard, then the chances are fans would attend in higher numbers than they have been, and as expected, will be for the following season.

The actions of the board have created an apathy around Celtic that I've never seen in my time as a fan.

In the 80's we had teams of quality on the pitch.
The 90's we still attended because we felt the team could put an end to the huns run, and TB had a few world class players who anyone would pay to watch.
Mon's team was simply fantastic and we had a team packed with players who could play at the highest level.
Strachan had less quality but with Boruc, McDonald, JvH, McGeady and Naka we still had real quality when it mattered.
Lennons side achieved similar success but with the loss of our best striker in almost 10 years (Hooper), our best defensive mid in a long time (Vic) and with the money from Ki, McGeady, Vic and Hooper never really returned to the team then it's no wonder the fans are now turning away.

Make no mistake, this is down to the board failing to support and finance the management and therefore failing to show respect to the fans.

They will learn very quickly this year, that you reap what you sow.
to be fair the best reasoned post on this site today
when Tommy Burns came in it was enjoyable, we had the 3 amigos and there was a buzz about the place,
the soul is being sucked out of celtic and the product on the park is awful.
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If we didn't give financial backing their would be no Celtic for you to be a fan of.
Perhaps the board may see the half empty stadium and emptying by the season and finally decide to invest and get the support interested once more. I am another who will not be giving this board my cash until big changes are made.
This.
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7 Aug 2014, 03:55 PM
Personally I don't think it's fair to question anyone on why they do/don't, can/can't, will/won't go to watch Celtic.

The various reasons will undoubtedly include financial/geographical/family/employment reasons.

In addition, there will be a fair few who decide not to pay to watch a substandard form of 'entertainment'.

If some people want tickets to see Celtic play Barca but turn down tickets to see Raith Rovers, who can blame them for 'gloryhunting'.

For example I don't go to the cinema very often but when I do, it's because there is something I would really like to watch, the same goes for watching live bands. No one questions why I'm not supporting Scottish cinema or Scottish music, they understand the right to pick and choose, and pay to see something you hope will be entertaining.

The reason to want to see Barca is two fold, you are paying to see a quality side with world famous stars, on the other hand if Celtic win, you've been to see your team defeat one of the greatest teams.

That's not to say you won't get an exciting game against Raith now and again but it's fairly obvious Barca are the bigger draw.

I've said before, people will always pick and choose which games to attend but if the product on the pitch was of a (much) higher standard, then the chances are fans would attend in higher numbers than they have been, and as expected, will be for the following season.

The actions of the board have created an apathy around Celtic that I've never seen in my time as a fan.

In the 80's we had teams of quality on the pitch.
The 90's we still attended because we felt the team could put an end to the huns run, and TB had a few world class players who anyone would pay to watch.
Mon's team was simply fantastic and we had a team packed with players who could play at the highest level.
Strachan had less quality but with Boruc, McDonald, JvH, McGeady and Naka we still had real quality when it mattered.
Lennons side achieved similar success but with the loss of our best striker in almost 10 years (Hooper), our best defensive mid in a long time (Vic) and with the money from Ki, McGeady, Vic and Hooper never really returned to the team then it's no wonder the fans are now turning away.

Make no mistake, this is down to the board failing to support and finance the management and therefore failing to show respect to the fans.

They will learn very quickly this year, that you reap what you sow.
to be fair the best reasoned post on this site today
when Tommy Burns came in it was enjoyable, we had the 3 amigos and there was a buzz about the place,
the soul is being sucked out of celtic and the product on the park is awful.
Kearnsy - I am not looking to argue with your sentiments - but when push to shove Tommy Burns' team won nothing apart from the cup in the first season. The 3 amigos + Andy Thom, Alan Stubbs, Phil O'Donnell et al did not deliver for all the excitement they gave us.

:(
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Perhaps the board may see the half empty stadium and emptying by the season and finally decide to invest and get the support interested once more. I am another who will not be giving this board my cash until big changes are made.
This.
The type of businessman we currently have at the club will see it as a reason to cut costs further. Essentially the reason we're in the current shambles.
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7 Aug 2014, 04:08 PM
nakasboots
7 Aug 2014, 03:55 PM
Personally I don't think it's fair to question anyone on why they do/don't, can/can't, will/won't go to watch Celtic.

The various reasons will undoubtedly include financial/geographical/family/employment reasons.

In addition, there will be a fair few who decide not to pay to watch a substandard form of 'entertainment'.

If some people want tickets to see Celtic play Barca but turn down tickets to see Raith Rovers, who can blame them for 'gloryhunting'.

For example I don't go to the cinema very often but when I do, it's because there is something I would really like to watch, the same goes for watching live bands. No one questions why I'm not supporting Scottish cinema or Scottish music, they understand the right to pick and choose, and pay to see something you hope will be entertaining.

The reason to want to see Barca is two fold, you are paying to see a quality side with world famous stars, on the other hand if Celtic win, you've been to see your team defeat one of the greatest teams.

That's not to say you won't get an exciting game against Raith now and again but it's fairly obvious Barca are the bigger draw.

I've said before, people will always pick and choose which games to attend but if the product on the pitch was of a (much) higher standard, then the chances are fans would attend in higher numbers than they have been, and as expected, will be for the following season.

The actions of the board have created an apathy around Celtic that I've never seen in my time as a fan.

In the 80's we had teams of quality on the pitch.
The 90's we still attended because we felt the team could put an end to the huns run, and TB had a few world class players who anyone would pay to watch.
Mon's team was simply fantastic and we had a team packed with players who could play at the highest level.
Strachan had less quality but with Boruc, McDonald, JvH, McGeady and Naka we still had real quality when it mattered.
Lennons side achieved similar success but with the loss of our best striker in almost 10 years (Hooper), our best defensive mid in a long time (Vic) and with the money from Ki, McGeady, Vic and Hooper never really returned to the team then it's no wonder the fans are now turning away.

Make no mistake, this is down to the board failing to support and finance the management and therefore failing to show respect to the fans.

They will learn very quickly this year, that you reap what you sow.
to be fair the best reasoned post on this site today
when Tommy Burns came in it was enjoyable, we had the 3 amigos and there was a buzz about the place,
the soul is being sucked out of celtic and the product on the park is awful.
Kearnsy - I am not looking to argue with your sentiments - but when push to shove Tommy Burns' team won nothing apart from the cup in the first season. The 3 amigos + Andy Thom, Alan Stubbs, Phil O'Donnell et al did not deliver for all the excitement they gave us.

:(
Now you've started :lol: I'd argue about the 80s 'teams of quality' too. Best they did in Europe was beat Sporting Lisbon, they were handed their dinner every time they came up against a decent side. :(
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Kearnsy - I am not looking to argue with your sentiments - but when push to shove Tommy Burns' team won nothing apart from the cup in the first season. The 3 amigos + Andy Thom, Alan Stubbs, Phil O'Donnell et al did not deliver for all the excitement they gave us.

:(
Now you've started :lol: I'd argue about the 80s 'teams of quality' too. Best they did in Europe was beat Sporting Lisbon, they were handed their dinner every time they came up against a decent side. :(
Teams of quality?

So the 82 and 88 side were not of quality? :cuckoo: :cuckoo:

McGarvey, Burns, McCluskey, Bonner, Aitken, Nicholas, McStay, Provan, MacLeod, McGrain.
Aye 82 was a bad year. :lol:
They would pish all over this lot of imposters.

As for the 3 amigos side, we know they didn't win much but for excitement they were hard to beat.

Any team with Cadete, Thom, Pierre, Di Canio would again, pish all over this lot.
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7 Aug 2014, 11:07 AM
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7 Aug 2014, 09:21 AM
For me, the boards attitude is summed up in their sales pitch this year 'because'. Really bugging me. No actual tangible reason to buy your season ticket, merchandise etc apart from 'because' we always have. Not because they are producing a good footballing side, not because they are investing in the club to produce a side which is competitive and exciting, but 'because' we are the ' best fans in the world', 'because' we always have' blah blah blah.

The entire sales pitch epitomises the clubs attitude in how it takes the fan base for granted. And now it is coming home to roost.
Unfortunately.


I've intended posting my thoughts in this thread for as long as it's been going, without rambling on and on and on. southern bhoy has pretty much nailed it for me.

Those who run football clubs are 'Bosses', and at the end of the day, The Boss will always try to squeeze his workers to get more out of them for less in return. The Boss takes liberties here and there - shortening tea breaks, cutting bonuses etc - to see how much he can gain at the workers’ expense. Some stunts he'll get away with, others will fail, but Bosses are emboldened by their apparent successes, so they continue to push and push and push. The wiser ones know when to ease up, others lose sight of the overall aim and end up pushing the workers so far that business suffers. Workers find themselves demotivated, worn down by years of steadily worsening conditions. Some plod on without an ounce of goodwill, putting in bare minimum effort; others just quit. Then there are those who remember what a good job it used to be and how relatively reasonable The Boss had been: rather than putting up with it or walking away, they take action to show The Boss the error of his ways and improve their conditions. This is the position our Boss – the PLC/Desmond/Lawwell – finds itself in, after years of liberty taking has pushed our goodwill to breaking point; and our options as supporters are either putting up with the continued deterioration in the vague hope it will get better, giving up on Celtic until bogey men leave, or taking action to convince them the error of their ways.

Like southern bhoy’s observations, I read another, thought provoking point earlier in the thread, where someone reckoned things have become so skewed at Celtic now that football operations (for want of a better term) is geared towards supporting business operations. That really is fecked up, it’s perverse. What is the point of Celtic, if not to make faithful supporters happy with good, successful football? Happy enough to want to return, year in, year out, generation after generation, supporting their team financially and emotionally? We don’t and have never supported directors: we support our players and coaches, we regard them and our fellow supporters as the most important, most valued people at the club. They are our focus, and we are right to expect those who are paid – and paid handsomely – to generate as much income for the club as they can, to be similarly focused. They have, quite literally, taken their eye off the ball, it’s down to us to help them refocus.

The bogey men aren’t going anywhere, any time soon. Securing that position in the SFA now makes Lawwell bombproof, but he speaks the language of business. If we want the liberty-taking to stop, we must speak to them in business terms and hit them in the pocket. They cut season ticket prices after seeing crowds drop, so we know they are prepared to bow to fan pressure. That was in response to individual fans just drifting away, we should assume carefully planned, collective protest - with all the attendant negative publicity they are so desperate to spare their beloved sponsors from – will force change.



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