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The Board - general discussion (including Res 12); notes from the AGM
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bigdavie
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15 Sep 2017, 11:35 AM
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First point of business, to TRFC, feck off, it's bugger all to do with you.
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remy mcswain
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15 Sep 2017, 11:55 AM
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If it's the Karyn McCluskey I'm thinking of, she's a cop, but not the typical central Scotland type. I've met her, she's done some great work in violence reduction - she's struck me as someone with a clear sense of right and wrong and doesn't keep her head down and go with the flow. It's her
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Dubz
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15 Sep 2017, 01:36 PM
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If it's the Karyn McCluskey I'm thinking of, she's a cop, but not the typical central Scotland type. I've met her, she's done some great work in violence reduction - she's struck me as someone with a clear sense of right and wrong and doesn't keep her head down and go with the flow. “Going back ten years ago now, when I was trying to reduce violence, people said to me that it was too big and not to bother," she said. “Then they gave me a cup of tea and a biscuit. I never went back to see those who said that. It can be done.
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Auldyin
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15 Sep 2017, 01:42 PM
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- moravcik67
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- Wee Ed KTF
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- Ffdiva
- 14 Sep 2017, 02:29 PM
I believe Rangers Tax Case tweeted that the SFA received a Schedule 36 (?) from HMRC in 2009 The corrupt bastards at Hampden knew what the cheating, corrupt, criminal bastards at Ibrox were up to. The SFA are up to their necks in this scandal, hence no independent review Edit - Schedule not section. Apologies
For those who don't know, a "Schedule 36" refers to the information powers HMRC has available to them - as defined in Schedule 36 of the Finance Act 2008. It basically requires a taxpayer or third party to hand over information relevant to a tax enquiry. I'm assuming that such a demand for information did happen. If so it was a third party notice - the third party being the SFA. You can get authorisation for a third party notice in one of two ways - by agreement of the taxpayer you're enquiring into, or by a tribunal agreeing that the notice is appropriate. Given the huns obstruction of HMRC, it's unlikely that they would have agreed to HMRC's request to approach the SFA. Therefore, it would be likely that a tribunal approved the Schedule 36 notice. The SFA would then have been legally obliged to provide the requested information, or they would be hit by penalties. The notice may or may not have named the huns, and the huns may or may not have known of HMRC's approach to the SFA. But I can't imagine it would have been too difficult for the SFA to work out why HMRC are requesting copies of the contracts of multiple hun players - assuming that's what they were after. Edit: Actually, just saw a tweet from RTC from earlier today saying that Rangers agreed to the Sch36 notice, so maybe there was no tribunal involvement. Although it comes under UEFA Club Licencing all clubs applying for one give the SFA Authority to make enquiries to public bodies under Article 43 (h) of UEFA FFP 2010/2011 and the predecessor regulations in 2005 page 54 contained a similar provision.
Question is were the SFA Licensing Committee aware at any time HMRC were investigating RFC use of ebts. That is not to say a Licence should not be granted on overdue payable grounds but in the case of Giannina FC whom UEFA discovered had 5 private agreements, UEFA deemed that a breach of accounting Articles and related Annex.
All of this is why SFA desperate to avoid investigation, it would destroy them as currently constituted.
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alexw123
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15 Sep 2017, 01:43 PM
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Why was Robertson excluded from discussions? His role now is with a totally different club.
Unless he was involved in Oldco.
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Auldyin
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15 Sep 2017, 01:51 PM
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Celtic Football Club statement By: Newsroom Staff on 09 Sep, 2017 11:30
IN the light of all information that has now become available, Celtic has been in correspondence with the Scottish Football Association in pursuit of the Club’s belief that an independent review should be commissioned to consider the events that led to the liquidation of Rangers Oldco and the governance issues arising from those events. This is exactly the same position as adopted by the SPFL board on behalf of all Scotland's 42 professional clubs.
Only Just realised the Main reason for Regan painting this as Just One Member Club.
Regan is talking through a hole, and it's not his mouth. All Celtic have said is that they're just asking for an enquiry, the same as what the SPFL have, with the SPFL representing 42 Clubs. Regan in his response say's that the SFA board have made the decision on behalf of the 108 clubs they represent. At no time did the SFA have a vote of their own members before issuing their statement (the same as what the SPFL did). • SFA board issue a statement - represents 108 clubs • SPFL issue a statement - only 1 club backs it Regan's just a snake slithering around until the big boot of Celtic comes squarely down on his big head I sincerely hope so, the guy is a charlatan.
The SFA had to agree to an investigation into the UEFA Licence 2011 based on evidence that they say came from the CW trial but in fact was presented to same Compliance Officer by Res12 lawyers in 2015 and other evidence shown to them by Celtic in 2014 that they argued made no difference.
Any investigation has to cover SFA involvement from 2010 to 2016. See here https://www.sfm.scot/the-vice-closes/?cid=161206
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BardseyCelt
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15 Sep 2017, 04:42 PM
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http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/competitions/premiership/opinion-stephen-mcilkenny-on-why-sfa-review-is-necessary-for-real-change-1-4561256
Spoiler: click to toggle For years, Scottish football has been belittled, with media across the world (and dare I say it, in our own country) often scornful about the state of our game. READ MORE - Can Celtic realistically compete in the Champions League any more? And it’s not just the media. Many fans, myself included, have been quick to judge the failure of the national team, the lack of league reform and many other matters that have affected the sport. But despite the many gripes from fans from all clubs, Scottish football has always been able to pull through. Claims of ‘Armageddon’ a few years ago were quickly muted as attendances rose. A TV deal that was pulled from under the feet of all Scottish clubs created a period of lengthy financial uncertainty for many, but the game (and fans) stuck with it and most clubs came through unscathed. However, the SFA’s announcement last week that they had rejected the offer to take part in a review into the handling of Rangers’ use of Employee Benefit Trusts could signify a real roadblock for the future of the game in our country. Celtic have accused the SFA of “a failure in transparency, accountability and leadership”. Contrary to what some have reported, Celtic are not calling for a review of Rangers, but a review of the governing body as a whole in the light of new evidence. The Parkhead club’s statement read: “This is exactly the same position as adopted by the SPFL board on behalf of all Scotland’s 42 professional clubs. The club believes that such a review is essential if a line is to be drawn under this whole affair. On that basis, Scottish football could learn lessons and move on.” And with a review, it would move on. For too long, the SFA has been the bogeyman and the target of much abuse from fans whenever there’s an issue with their club. So the real question is why should we not have a review? What possible benefit can it bring to not be open and honest with the fans? Why is there such secrecy? Furthermore, why are the reasons for refusing a review so weak and ill-formed? In 2011 the buzzword at the SFA appeared to be transparency, so what has changed? Stewart Regan, the chief executive, said in a recent interview that “Not a single phone call, not a single e-mail, not a single letter has been received from any of our members other than Celtic.” However, the SPFL board called for an independent review into the process on July 26. For those of you that aren’t aware, the SPFL board is made up of 9 representatives. 6 being from clubs, 2 independent non exec members, plus Neil Doncaster, the CEO of the SPFL. An Aberdeen fan group has already called for a review, while some Hibs supporters seem incandescent on fan forums that their club has officially backed the SFA stance and announced that it’s time to move. I refuse to accept that it is only one club and a minority of fans who want to see a review of the SFA. In fact, if that is the case and no other club or fans want to have a transparent organisation or a review into proceedings, then we may as well call an end to Scottish football right now. This year, Financial Fair Play has been found to not be working. PSG and many others have allegedly benefitted from loopholes in the system. Rather than shy away from it and staunchly state that FFP is working, UEFA is set to launch a full review into the system. Why can the Scottish governing body not be as reactive? Why can we not be more open to acknowledging the needs and desires of fans? The refusal to grant an insight to fans into their procedures at the very top of our game is only adding pressure to an organisation that is fast-becoming out of touch with those it serves. You only need to look at the Twitter debate between Stewart Regan and a Scottish football fan a few weeks ago over ticket prices to further see my point. The fans who go to games this weekend and pay for the privilege of seeing their team deserve to know that the game is being played fairly and being run by a capable governing body. Do they not deserve to know without doubt that the rules are being upheld by the governing body which is open and transparent? We talk of improving the game, improving grassroots and building for the future with more coaches, better facilities and better stadia, but by driving fans away by ignoring their wishes, how can this be achieved? A truly independent review offers a unique opportunity that would not only provide closure over an exceptionally controversial chapter of Scottish football but would repair much of the damage that has already been inflicted. The simple fact is that if a review was to be held, we do not not know what would happen or be revealed, but at least fans and clubs would have answers and a line could be drawn under a sorry saga in Scottish football. In their statement, the SFA said that one of the “key learnings” that has been addressed in the last six years has been the “bolstering the duty of good faith”. The reaction of many fans suggests that faith in the integrity of the SFA may be in short supply.
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Dannybhoy95
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15 Sep 2017, 04:51 PM
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Starting to get the feeling that the hun won't lose their titles.
Think there's far too much fear that the mad bastards will go rogue
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bigkev
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15 Sep 2017, 04:56 PM
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- 15 Sep 2017, 04:51 PM
Starting to get the feeling that the hun won't lose their titles.
Think there's far too much fear that the mad bastards will go rogue Dead club goes rogue. Sounds a bit zombie like. If they are intent on keeping their titles maybe they should square off the debt.
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Lobey Dosser
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15 Sep 2017, 04:57 PM
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Starting to get the feeling that the hun won't lose their titles.
Think there's far too much fear that the mad bastards will go rogue They went rogue years ago mhate.
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15 Sep 2017, 05:00 PM
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....give us a glimmer......
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No danger will they lose "their" titles. That's been made crystal clear,Regans shampoo scared of them.
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15 Sep 2017, 05:04 PM
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Something has to give, either the titles or the same club myth.
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15 Sep 2017, 05:24 PM
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The noose is tightening. Celtic have allowed their correspondence with the SFA to be published; Regan is blustering about no clubs other than Celtic being interested, to much public derision; RTC is releasing incriminating documentation about HMRC involvement that dates back to 2009 and implicates Bryson, and is promising more to come; Phil is putting questions to the SFA publicly; the press are finally writing about it, and Doncaster and the SPFL have called for an inquiry -- but naw, they'll tough it out.
In their dreams.
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kellybhoy
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15 Sep 2017, 06:10 PM
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- 15 Sep 2017, 10:48 AM
If it's the Karyn McCluskey I'm thinking of, she's a cop, but not the typical central Scotland type. I've met her, she's done some great work in violence reduction - she's struck me as someone with a clear sense of right and wrong and doesn't keep her head down and go with the flow. What's this in reference to?
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remy mcswain
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15 Sep 2017, 06:14 PM
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If it's the Karyn McCluskey I'm thinking of, she's a cop, but not the typical central Scotland type. I've met her, she's done some great work in violence reduction - she's struck me as someone with a clear sense of right and wrong and doesn't keep her head down and go with the flow.
What's this in reference to? She is a NED on the SPFL board.
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15 Sep 2017, 06:19 PM
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- 15 Sep 2017, 10:48 AM
If it's the Karyn McCluskey I'm thinking of, she's a cop, but not the typical central Scotland type. I've met her, she's done some great work in violence reduction - she's struck me as someone with a clear sense of right and wrong and doesn't keep her head down and go with the flow.
What's this in reference to?
She is a NED on the SPFL board. She's no the only one.
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15 Sep 2017, 06:19 PM
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- 15 Sep 2017, 04:42 PM
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/competitions/premiership/opinion-stephen-mcilkenny-on-why-sfa-review-is-necessary-for-real-change-1-4561256Spoiler: click to toggle For years, Scottish football has been belittled, with media across the world (and dare I say it, in our own country) often scornful about the state of our game. READ MORE - Can Celtic realistically compete in the Champions League any more? And it’s not just the media. Many fans, myself included, have been quick to judge the failure of the national team, the lack of league reform and many other matters that have affected the sport. But despite the many gripes from fans from all clubs, Scottish football has always been able to pull through. Claims of ‘Armageddon’ a few years ago were quickly muted as attendances rose. A TV deal that was pulled from under the feet of all Scottish clubs created a period of lengthy financial uncertainty for many, but the game (and fans) stuck with it and most clubs came through unscathed. However, the SFA’s announcement last week that they had rejected the offer to take part in a review into the handling of Rangers’ use of Employee Benefit Trusts could signify a real roadblock for the future of the game in our country. Celtic have accused the SFA of “a failure in transparency, accountability and leadership”. Contrary to what some have reported, Celtic are not calling for a review of Rangers, but a review of the governing body as a whole in the light of new evidence. The Parkhead club’s statement read: “This is exactly the same position as adopted by the SPFL board on behalf of all Scotland’s 42 professional clubs. The club believes that such a review is essential if a line is to be drawn under this whole affair. On that basis, Scottish football could learn lessons and move on.” And with a review, it would move on. For too long, the SFA has been the bogeyman and the target of much abuse from fans whenever there’s an issue with their club. So the real question is why should we not have a review? What possible benefit can it bring to not be open and honest with the fans? Why is there such secrecy? Furthermore, why are the reasons for refusing a review so weak and ill-formed? In 2011 the buzzword at the SFA appeared to be transparency, so what has changed? Stewart Regan, the chief executive, said in a recent interview that “Not a single phone call, not a single e-mail, not a single letter has been received from any of our members other than Celtic.” However, the SPFL board called for an independent review into the process on July 26. For those of you that aren’t aware, the SPFL board is made up of 9 representatives. 6 being from clubs, 2 independent non exec members, plus Neil Doncaster, the CEO of the SPFL. An Aberdeen fan group has already called for a review, while some Hibs supporters seem incandescent on fan forums that their club has officially backed the SFA stance and announced that it’s time to move. I refuse to accept that it is only one club and a minority of fans who want to see a review of the SFA. In fact, if that is the case and no other club or fans want to have a transparent organisation or a review into proceedings, then we may as well call an end to Scottish football right now. This year, Financial Fair Play has been found to not be working. PSG and many others have allegedly benefitted from loopholes in the system. Rather than shy away from it and staunchly state that FFP is working, UEFA is set to launch a full review into the system. Why can the Scottish governing body not be as reactive? Why can we not be more open to acknowledging the needs and desires of fans? The refusal to grant an insight to fans into their procedures at the very top of our game is only adding pressure to an organisation that is fast-becoming out of touch with those it serves. You only need to look at the Twitter debate between Stewart Regan and a Scottish football fan a few weeks ago over ticket prices to further see my point. The fans who go to games this weekend and pay for the privilege of seeing their team deserve to know that the game is being played fairly and being run by a capable governing body. Do they not deserve to know without doubt that the rules are being upheld by the governing body which is open and transparent? We talk of improving the game, improving grassroots and building for the future with more coaches, better facilities and better stadia, but by driving fans away by ignoring their wishes, how can this be achieved? A truly independent review offers a unique opportunity that would not only provide closure over an exceptionally controversial chapter of Scottish football but would repair much of the damage that has already been inflicted. The simple fact is that if a review was to be held, we do not not know what would happen or be revealed, but at least fans and clubs would have answers and a line could be drawn under a sorry saga in Scottish football. In their statement, the SFA said that one of the “key learnings” that has been addressed in the last six years has been the “bolstering the duty of good faith”. The reaction of many fans suggests that faith in the integrity of the SFA may be in short supply. At least one supporting voice in the wilderness.
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15 Sep 2017, 06:19 PM
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- Wailer
- 15 Sep 2017, 05:04 PM
Something has to give, either the titles or the same club myth. If they had any bloody brains SFA could have used the Traverso letter of 8th June 2016 to Res12 lawyers as a get out of jail free card.
They could have said that SFA recognised that they were in conflict with UEFA rules in using SFA discretion to transfer RFC's SFA membership to TRFC and that records will reflect the real position of UEFA authority.
The investigation into the UEFA licence will show it was obtained by deceit but again if SFA have any brains will say that as has been pointed out by UEFA in Traverso letter RFC cannot be punished etc etc etc
Cheating bastards confirmed? Check. Not same club. History began 2012? Check.
Result.
Oh and Regan to clean the Celtic Way with his tongue on route to licking PL'S boots as he accepts an abject apology from SFA to all Celtic shareholders before Regan resigns.
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15 Sep 2017, 06:22 PM
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- remy mcswain
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- Brucebhoy
- 15 Sep 2017, 10:48 AM
If it's the Karyn McCluskey I'm thinking of, she's a cop, but not the typical central Scotland type. I've met her, she's done some great work in violence reduction - she's struck me as someone with a clear sense of right and wrong and doesn't keep her head down and go with the flow.
What's this in reference to?
She is a NED on the SPFL board. Thanks.
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15 Sep 2017, 06:25 PM
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- MILLIGANS ISLAND
- 15 Sep 2017, 05:00 PM
No danger will they lose "their" titles. That's been made crystal clear,Regans shampoo scared of them.
Regan could become an irrelevance.
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